81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[bluperch]

Shrike. We don't know yet. We know that Sony said 130,000 spidey 3. But that's all we know. We're all waiting for final numbers and hoping those numbers spell out the standalone disc and the trilogy combo pack of joy.

Oh, wait. The Shrike. Is that Dan Simmons's shrike?

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by xmositox

Guys, i really don't think that we should go with the 200,000 plus sales...

the 130,000 was probably a combination of both....

Just look at these numbers....
Spidey 3 100%
Spidey Tri 72%
300 (BD HD) 10.38%
300 (BD) 6.56%
PE (BD HD) 6.67%

As opposed to two weeks ago when
Transformers 100%
300 (BD HD) 5.43%
300 (BD) 3.37%
PE -----Not even top 10


Transformers made 300 combined go down to 5.43
Spidey made it go down to 10.38 so unless for some reason 300 sales doubled for both 300 HD and BD last week, there is NO WAY WHATSOEVER that spidey alone beat transformers. Its probably combined sales. This would also be in line with spidey not cracking the top 15 at Amazon. But combined it probably would have.

I won't say anymore because those numbers speak for themselves. I am just happy that we killed them this week and Rat will kill them next week.

actually your theory proves it's 130,000 just for SM3.

Here's why. Since the based amount is on the #1 selling title. So, 300 is only 10.38% of SM3 but if they were both combined there's no way it would be 10.38% but more like 3%.

make sense?

[gearyt]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Got to love that!

Hey guys... it takes forever to find the data, and everyone keeps asking for the link, how about making a sticky for the numbers only, with comments in a seperate thread ..... please

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Got to love that!

Yes that is sweet. Only 1 thing would make it sweeter though. An all Blu top 10!

[xbd]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

actually your theory proves it's 130,000 just for SM3.

Here's why. Since the based amount is on the #1 selling title. So, 300 is only 10.38% of SM3 but if they were both combined there's no way it would be 10.38% but more like 3%.

make sense?

Which would be more in line with what we should expect from 300 at this point, don't you think? What's disappointing though is that we haven't gotten a firm clarification one way or the other yet.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by bluperch

Shrike. We don't know yet. We know that Sony said 130,000 spidey 3. But that's all we know. We're all waiting for final numbers and hoping those numbers spell out the standalone disc and the trilogy combo pack of joy.

Oh, wait. The Shrike. Is that Dan Simmons's shrike?

It is! But SOME people on this thread have been citing numbers, and not the 130k one! Somebody seems to think they got numbers from somewhere else.

[GarettP]

Originally Posted by surfdude12

check out what our HD-DVD counterparts are saying about the Nielson numbers:
(1) our 100K toshiba A2 players were sold at walmart, walmart isn't counted in Nielson, so we won't see the effect of these players till after Christmas
(2) one guy: "I guess lots of those players were bought as christmas gifts? *SHRUG*"
(3) Spidey 130K was both episode 3 and trilogy, so epidsode 3 only sold...and thus sony will be sad!
(4) one guy posted "wow! 71:29 is shattering for blu-ray" and his post got banned as violating the new "X type format is winning" rule , meanwhile all the HD-DVD people are suggesting how toshiba players are going to kick butt??!! what a joke

I cannot believe how they always try to spin everything, this is all written/printed, but they still seem think that X & Y & Z are not taken into consideration, so the numbers are more like 50/50! It drives me nuts, I got banned before all the stuff really went down because under the KMart goes HD-DVD exclusive thread, I posted a question, any news on Salvation Army or Goodwill going HD-DVD exclusive!

[GarettP]

Originally Posted by Razzy

Yes that is sweet. Only 1 thing would make it sweeter though. An all Blu top 10!

How long has 300 been in the top 10, that is amazing!

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Dammit, I must be on as many people's ignore list as I have on mine. Figures. Seriously people, spell it out for me! How many Spider-Man 3s and Trilogies were sold? Where are these numbers coming from? Show me the math you used to arrive at your figures! EVERYTHING. In ONE long post! Everyone is saying different numbers! Can someone PLEASE just take the time to explain what the numbers are, and where they are coming from!

Ok, I'll do my best.

Sony released a preliminary number of 130,000 copies of SM3 sold. Now there are some who think that's SM3 stand alone combined with the trilogy. Myself, I believe WickyWoo in that it's the number of SM3 stand-alone.

Since the #1 movie of the week is used as the "100" baseline you can say SM3 sold 130,000 therefore the #2 movie is 71.95% of that as that is what Nielsen lists and so on down the list. So we'd have:

1. SM3 130,000 copies
2. SM Trilogy 130,000 * .7195 = 93,535 copies
3. Transformers 130,000 * .3142 = 40,846 copies
4. Meet the Robinsons 130,000 * .0882 = 11,466 copies
5. 300 130,000 * .0656 = 8528 copies
6. FF2 130,000 * .0503 = 6539 copies
7. License to Wed * .0424 = 5512 copies
8. The Shining *.0411 = 5343 copies
9. Mr Brooks *.0403 = 5239 copies
10. 2001 *.0388 = 5044 copies

The numbers above also is another reason I think the 130,000 is just SM3 because look at how the other titles relate numerically.


Anyway, hope that answers your question.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

Ok, I'll do my best.

Sony released a preliminary number of 130,000 copies of SM3 sold. Now there are some who think that's SM3 stand alone combined with the trilogy. Myself, I believe WickyWoo in that it's the number of SM3 stand-alone.

Since the #1 movie of the week is used as the "100" baseline you can say SM3 sold 130,000 therefore the #2 movie is 71.95% of that as that is what Nielsen lists and so on down the list. So we'd have:

1. SM3 130,000 copies
2. SM Trilogy 130,000 * .7195 = 93,535 copies
3. Transformers 130,000 * .3142 = 40,846 copies
4. Meet the Robinsons 130,000 * .0882 = 11,466 copies
5. 300 130,000 * .0656 = 8528 copies
6. FF2 130,000 * .0503 = 6539 copies
7. License to Wed * .0424 = 5512 copies
8. The Shining *.0411 = 5343 copies
9. Mr Brooks *.0403 = 5239 copies
10. 2001 *.0388 = 5044 copies

The numbers above also is another reason I think the 130,000 is just SM3 because look at how the other titles relate numerically.


Anyway, hope that answers your question.

It does, it does! Thanks so much! But I have another question: You say "The numbers above also is another reason I think the 130,000 is just SM3 because look at how the other titles relate numerically." What should I be seeing in this regard?

[xmositox]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

actually your theory proves it's 130,000 just for SM3.

Here's why. Since the based amount is on the #1 selling title. So, 300 is only 10.38% of SM3 but if they were both combined there's no way it would be 10.38% but more like 3%.

make sense?

OK, assuming you are right... then lets just say that the 300 sales remained somewhat constant (within 10% +-)

If spidey at 100% = 130,000 then
300 (BD + HD) at 10.38% = 13,500

Then assuming that 300 sales did not diminish 2 weeks afterward then

300 (BD + HD) 5.43% = roughly 13,500
Then transformers at 100% = 248,618 Unit sales of transformers....

Nielsen proved that was NOT the case... it was 115,000 accoding to nielsens which happens to be half or so of the 248,000 calculated.... leading more credence to what I am saying....

Unless 300 BD for some odd reason sold double the units, then we either accept Paramounts Claim that they sold 190,000 or accept that the 130,00 is combined....... but something weird is wrong about the numbers......

I want to believe it, but I don't want to look stupid to an HD fanboy especially when the data isn't backing up what we are saying

[owa]

Originally Posted by gearyt

Hey guys... it takes forever to find the data, and everyone keeps asking for the link, how about making a sticky for the numbers only, with comments in a seperate thread ..... please

This thread is a sticky and the first couple of posts in the thread have all the links and numbers.

[navychop]

Originally Posted by gearyt

Hey guys... it takes forever to find the data, and everyone keeps asking for the link, how about making a sticky for the numbers only, with comments in a seperate thread ..... please

ACTUALLY, just look at post #1 of this thread. The numbers are all posted there. No need to read thru the thread if you don't want to.

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by xmositox

OK, assuming you are right... then lets just say that the 300 sales remained somewhat constant (within 10% +-)

If spidey at 100% = 130,000 then
300 (BD + HD) at 10.38% = 13,500

Then assuming that 300 sales did not diminish 2 weeks afterward then

300 (BD + HD) 5.43% = roughly 13,500
Then transformers at 100% = 248,618 Unit sales of transformers....

Nielsen proved that was NOT the case... it was 115,000 accoding to nielsens which happens to be half or so of the 248,000 calculated.... leading more credence to what I am saying....

Unless 300 BD for some odd reason sold double the units, then we either accept Paramounts Claim that they sold 190,000 or accept that the 130,00 is combined....... but something weird is wrong about the numbers......

I want to believe it, but I don't want to look stupid to an HD fanboy especially when the data isn't backing up what we are saying

You make a good point, but here's my thought. The 40gb PS3 as well as people in buying SM3 also bought 300 and pushed it up. I noticed that even on Amazon and others that the 300 blu-ray creeped up in the charts again. For example, I don't believe 300 was the #5 title last week overall and if it was it wasn't blu-ray. In fact, wasn't the HD DVD version of 300 pretty high last week?

Anyway, I guess my point is that 300 was purchased with both Spidey and the new PS3 is what I am "assuming".

Here's another thing based on the 130,000 for SM3 alone.

They list top 5 for both blu and HD DVD.

In blue, #4 is 300, in HD DVD #4 is also 300.

In the blu chart they compare it to SM3 at .0656 (6.56%) of sales so, 8528 copies.

In the HD chart they compare it Transformers, if we use the earlier transformer # of 40,846 * .1219 (12.19% of Transformers) that comes to 4979 copies on HD DVD. Which would put it under the #10 overall High Def seller of 2001, which we already assumed was at 5044.

Hopefully I haven't confused anyone, but those numbers all add up right and is why we don't see 300 on HD DVD in the top 10 overall.

[xmositox]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

Ok, I'll do my best.

Sony released a preliminary number of 130,000 copies of SM3 sold. Now there are some who think that's SM3 stand alone combined with the trilogy. Myself, I believe WickyWoo in that it's the number of SM3 stand-alone.

Since the #1 movie of the week is used as the "100" baseline you can say SM3 sold 130,000 therefore the #2 movie is 71.95% of that as that is what Nielsen lists and so on down the list. So we'd have:

1. SM3 130,000 copies
2. SM Trilogy 130,000 * .7195 = 93,535 copies
3. Transformers 130,000 * .3142 = 40,846 copies
4. Meet the Robinsons 130,000 * .0882 = 11,466 copies
5. 300 130,000 * .0656 = 8528 copies
6. FF2 130,000 * .0503 = 6539 copies
7. License to Wed * .0424 = 5512 copies
8. The Shining *.0411 = 5343 copies
9. Mr Brooks *.0403 = 5239 copies
10. 2001 *.0388 = 5044 copies

The numbers above also is another reason I think the 130,000 is just SM3 because look at how the other titles relate numerically.


Anyway, hope that answers your question.

Ok I will take it one step further
Nielsen said Transformers sold 115,000...... WE ALL ACCEPT THAT
well then
Week of transformers
1. Transformers 115,000 copies
2. Pirates 2 115,000 * .0947 = 10,890 copies
3. Pirates 1 115,000 * .0912 = 10,488 copies
4. FF4-2 115,000 * .0547 = 6290 copies
5. Apocalypto 115,000 * .0502 = 5773 copies
6. Deja Vu 115,000 * .0371 = 4266 copies
7. Prestige 115,000 * .0360 = 4140 copies
8. Wild Hogs 115,000 *.0353 = 4059 copies
9. Reaping 115,000 *.0342 = 3933 copies
10. 300 115,000 *.0337 = 3875 copies


So you mean to tell me 300 more then doubled their sales 2 weeks later the week of transformers????

And fantastic 4 actually increased their sales???? from a 3rd week to a 5th week??

We got more sales of Meet the Robinsons on a second Week then we did of Pirates on a BOGO??????

I an a die hard Blu Fan with over 50 movies......... but please..... Doesn't anyone else see this????

[blu-rayfan101]

who thinks that hd dvd fanboys and people who work at Toshiba are colour blind and think hd dvd is winning?

[JTK]

Originally Posted by talbers23

f yeah! 71 29 after the fire sale on the a2.

Indeed. Very happy with this news.

[xbd]

Originally Posted by xmositox

I an a die hard Blu Fan with over 50 movies......... but please..... Doesn't anyone else see this????

Yes, definitely. Personally I accept nothing until Paidgeek calls it one way or the other. He's the only one in a position to validate this SM3 != boxed set theory.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by xmositox

Ok I will take it one step further
Nielsen said Transformers sold 115,000...... WE ALL ACCEPT THAT
well then
Week of transformers
1. Transformers 115,000 copies
2. Pirates 2 115,000 * .0947 = 10,890 copies
3. Pirates 1 115,000 * .0912 = 10,488 copies
4. FF4-2 115,000 * .0547 = 6290 copies
5. Apocalypto 115,000 * .0502 = 5773 copies
6. Deja Vu 115,000 * .0371 = 4266 copies
7. Prestige 115,000 * .0360 = 4140 copies
8. Wild Hogs 115,000 *.0353 = 4059 copies
9. Reaping 115,000 *.0342 = 3933 copies
10. 300 115,000 *.0337 = 3875 copies


So you mean to tell me 300 more then doubled their sales 2 weeks later the week of transformers????

And fantastic 4 actually increased their sales???? from a 3rd week to a 5th week??

We got more sales of Meet the Robinsons on a second Week then we did of Pirates on a BOGO??????

I an a die hard Blu Fan with over 50 movies......... but please..... Doesn't anyone else see this????

I'm not saying your wrong or right. I'd like to wait for some real numbers/answers first; however, I will say this:

300 was not included in the BOGO during the Transformers week so it is 'probable' to assume that people focused their buying intentions on those movies that were a 'deal'.

That is all I will add at this time.


Edit: I wanted to add that I do trust WickyWoo and Bill Hunt over at DigitalBits. They both seem to be pretty level headed and connected (I sometimes suspect WickyWoo _is_ Bill Hunt actually). If they say it is so... it probably is. Only thing I disagree ever with Wicky on is the DVD9 being 'enough for gaming'. :P

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by Proteus

I'm not saying your wrong or right. I'd like to wait for some real numbers/answers first; however, I will say this:

300 was not included in the BOGO during the Transformers week so it is 'probable' to assume that people focused their buying intentions on those movies that were a 'deal'.

That is all I will add at this time.

Yes, because look at how some of those movies are no longer seen at all in the list, and how during that same week 300 wasn't included in the top 4 of blu-ray like it is now. To me that shows it's sales increased.

But it's true, paid or penton could confirm the number. Wickywoo already gave the information he had and he said the 130,000 was SM3 only.