81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

we do have to realize that we have more releases than hd dvd. so we have to watch out for proclaiming victory for outselling hd dvd 2:1 every week. the only reason why we do this is because we have a much stronger lineup. warner is looking at spiderman and saying, man that barely outsold transformers. its looking at ratatouille and saying, beat shrek 3 by a bit, but nothing significant. and then we of course of the neutral titles. i wouldn't be shocked if our 2:1 lead for neutral titles like 300 has been eroded down to about 1.5:1.

actually the difference in the number of available titles is not very big, only about a dozen by the end of the year.
Look at the international market, you will see that the vast majority is BD. It is not the titles or better titles, it is the format. The better titles helps cause we have the studio support, but we have their support cause the format is better.
I think we should celebrate outselling them every week. Attach rate means nothing and has already been addressed by BDA as misinformation.
If you think the individual titles are only outselling by a little bit, I think not. The transformers numbers were also questionable and doubtful. The Spidey movie is the 3rd and not a popular as the first, with the higher priced box set, sold more than transformers was likely to have sold.
The only real thing HD-DVD has going for it is the fact that their players are cheap cheap cheap.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by richteer

Or better, semi-permanently. Time to blow out the old Profile 1.0 players and make way for the new 1.1 players!

no kidding, they need to be selling 1.0 players for $249.

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by richteer

Or better, semi-permanently. Time to blow out the old Profile 1.0 players and make way for the new 1.1 players!

I like that idea.
BDA should counter the A2 with a firesale of our own. Get rid of some of the 1.0 players to replace them with a 1.1 player. If they can get the BD 1.0 players down to $200, then they would sell easily and still play at better quality than the A2 and A3. The only difference is it wouldn't play some of the extras on some of the discs. Discs that aren't even out yet.

[TauRus]

Originally Posted by Cyorg

so much for my 99.99 : .01 prediction.

Your prediction was accurate, just not for the last week.

[JimSD]

Originally Posted by GregBlu5

I really do wonder how The Aviator did. It was Warners. It was offered in both formats. This is likely what Warners is going to look at closely, too. Obviously, it didn't even dent the Top 10. How far down did it rate? If I were Warners, I'd not want to compete in two different formats when I'm not selling *that* many copies in either.

-Greg

I would not think that The Aviator would sell well at all. I remember trying to trade-in the DVD a year ago and Wherehouse wouldn't even take it because they were so overstocked with used copies of it. I couldn't even get a buck. That tells me that lots of people didn't care for it and ditched their copies. Personally, I liked the film and thought DiCaprio was excellent in the role, although I did find myself washing my hands an awful lot for a week or so afterwards.

[GregBlu5]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

looking at the top 10 it didn't even do 6k on both formats combined. this title will not impact warner's decision at all. i think harry potter is the big one that warner is watching. id say we do have the advantage as most ppl who accounted children into their decision went blu.

I certainly agree. But what I was trying to say was that these sorts of numbers make it clear that being neutral is generally wasteful. This wasn't a big title, obviously; but by producing two versions, their overall sales weren't good, even combined. I just think a title like this (and Omega Man coming up) are going to be the kind that make them realize even more that being neutral isn't a good deal, regardless of which exclusive direction they feel more obligated, or inclined, to go.

-Greg

[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by GregBlu5

I really do wonder how The Aviator did.

Actually I don't think this matters at all...

Even if it sold 5,000 copies on Blu-ray and only 1,000 on HD-DVD then it's highly unlikly that anybody at Warner will draw any conclusions since the numbers are so low.

Warners decision will be based on an overall evaluation of the whole market situation.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

actually the difference in the number of available titles is not very big, only about a dozen by the end of the year.
Look at the international market, you will see that the vast majority is BD. It is not the titles or better titles, it is the format. The better titles helps cause we have the studio support, but we have their support cause the format is better.
I think we should celebrate outselling them every week. Attach rate means nothing and has already been addressed by BDA as misinformation.
If you think the individual titles are only outselling by a little bit, I think not. The transformers numbers were also questionable and doubtful. The Spidey movie is the 3rd and not a popular as the first, with the higher priced box set, sold more than transformers was likely to have sold.
The only real thing HD-DVD has going for it is the fact that their players are cheap cheap cheap.

hd dvd has about 44 and we have about 62 (i started counting the week of the 13th). thats about about 40% more movies being released on our format. im just saying that when you compare big titles and neutral titles, i don't think we are outselling them 2:1 anymore. our 2:1 power comes from our extra releases. but you make a very good point about international releases and surely this will have quite a bit of effect on studios. americans forget that there is a world outside the USA.

[Imakida]

Originally Posted by pscoop

Even Almighty is the #4 selling HD DVD? Sad.

It tells a lot about the "other format" kind of people

[carnivale880]

i think everyone needs to pay a little less attention to the weekly numbers for the remainder of the year and evaluate after the holidays. at this point christmas shopping and gift giving is going to have an effect on sales. i know that i personally am loading up on bds this season through gifts. but they wont be purchased until near the end of the holiday season so while i will be getting several titles like Rat and Close Encounters and Superbad etc, i wont be getting them release week. i think others are probably doing the same considering the amount of great releases coming. the overall 4th quater numbers will be what matter, not week by week breakdowns.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by BadAss

Wouldn't you just love to see Sony drop the price of BDP-S300 for a week to regain 100,000 player sales?

We can only hope.

It's quite clear we'll have to wait a few weeks for the A2 and 40GB PS3 sales to shake out, then see were we are.

[chasswen]

ok now for the dumb question
whats wrong with there being both formats some studios were doing this. and if some people want that other format so be it.
i personal want blu-ray as i see it as a format that can be expanded.
and i do own 2 blu-ray stand alones.
all this war is doing is hurting the general public.
just my 3 cents inflation
chuck

[Blu Titan]

Supposing 70K for Ratatouille: 300 Blu-ray (7.70) = 5,390 and HD dVD 3.62 = 2,534. Thus we kept are 2-1 ration and the YTD increased 1%. Not what I was hoping for, but not bad

[Living Near Shamu]

Did anyone catch the article on page 28 - Cover 3, about the HD DUDs that Wal Mart sold for $99? It says that they only sold 30,000 units, not the 90,000 that was claimed before

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by chasswen

ok now for the dumb question
whats wrong with there being both formats some studios were doing this. and if some people want that other format so be it.
i personal want blu-ray as i see it as a format that can be expanded.
and i do own 2 blu-ray stand alones.
all this war is doing is hurting the general public.
just my 3 cents inflation
chuck

You just contradicted yourself.... the reason there can't be 2 formats is because it's hurting the general public... not to mention stopping all of us from getting the movies we want in Hi Def.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by GregBlu5

It's still going to come down to the hard numbers that the movie companies themselves see.

Exactly. These weekly sales ratios are amusing but the only numbers that matter to the movie companies (eventually, they are the only ones that can decide the war) are:

1. Comparison of BD/HD of neutral titles (i.e., Warner)
2. DVD/high-def ratio for BD and HD

Without Para, there is not much data we can use on 1.

Now, can someone get me the DVD number of Ratatouille for last week?

enjoy
gandalf

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by Living Near Shamu

Did anyone catch the article on page 28 - Cover 3, about the HD DUDs that Wal Mart sold for $99? It says that they only sold 30,000 units, not the 90,000 that was claimed before

I JUST finished reading that. Very interesting.

[X400]

65:35 isnt what i was expecting but its Good nontheless. its closer to my prediction for Shrek week, wonder what that will look like 50:50? we need to go all out again for some BD titles

[lztp6k]

Originally Posted by Living Near Shamu

Did anyone catch the article on page 28 - Cover 3, about the HD DUDs that Wal Mart sold for $99? It says that they only sold 30,000 units, not the 90,000 that was claimed before

Did the article say they only sold 30k overall or walmart only sold 30k?

[The Big Blue]

Oh my.

The article states that Wal-mart sold 30K of the firesale A2s.