81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[richard lichtenfelt]

Blu-ray will continue to win on the strength of its titles.
What, do some of you think that WB will go hd dvd exclusive b/c they won one week of the year?
Even if hd dvd pulls off an upset and wins one week the score would be 51 to 1. Is 52 to 0 really any different?

[JAGUAR1977]

Mainstream, larger market share, call it what you wish.

The point is, this time last year Blu-ray was an unknown novelty for many PS3owners.

Now Blu-ray moves are regularly advertised on TV etc, with ad's that specifically target PS3 owners.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by cking2729

Yes, the BOGO magic will run out, eventually. I, for one, only have so much money to spend on Blu-Rays. While a BOGO is always tempting, there is only so much I can afford, and most consumers are the same way. After multiple weeks, the effect will drop off steep. On top of that, many of the titles are regurgitated. I have looked at a lot of the sales this week, saw the titles, and shrugged and went "meh."

The BOGO magic is going to bite us in the ass when people decide not to buy movies on day one and wait for a sale.
If blu can not maintain a winning lead without having to resort to BOGO something is wrong.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

Blu-ray will continue to win on the strength of its titles.
What, do some of you think that WB will go hd dvd exclusive b/c they won one week of the year?
Even if hd dvd pulls off an upset and wins one week the score would be 51 to 1. Is 52 to 0 really any different?

Look a little deeper, the FUD meisters are on the warpath.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

Blu-ray will continue to win on the strength of its titles.
What, do some of you think that WB will go hd dvd exclusive b/c they won one week of the year?
Even if hd dvd pulls off an upset and wins one week the score would be 51 to 1. Is 52 to 0 really any different?

Considering that there are about 4 million more blu ray players in homes not including stand alones I would say ANY hd win is something to worry about much less a win on a week when we had over 120 titles on bogo at various locations as well as other bogo sales and all HD had was Shrek the third.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Look a little deeper, the FUD meisters are on the warpath.

Yes because anyone concerned is obviously spreading fud.
It is jackass mindsets like that which make this board a laughing stock on most others.
You can be quite loyal and still express concern and displeasure with how some things are handled.
Or is blu some kind of Patriot Act George W mentality?

[richard lichtenfelt]

fud (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). I think that does sum it up quite well.
Even if it is true concern on your part it still fits perfectly into the fud category.
And damn those BOGO sales which have allowed me to amass a large library of blu-rays at much less than what it would cost on regular dvd.

[cking2729]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

Blu-ray will continue to win on the strength of its titles.
What, do some of you think that WB will go hd dvd exclusive b/c they won one week of the year?
Even if hd dvd pulls off an upset and wins one week the score would be 51 to 1. Is 52 to 0 really any different?

Well we never thought Paramount would jump ship so it's only fair to be skeptical about Warner. Especially when it could mean so much for both camps. And if Amazon's sales of Warner HD-DVDs are any indication of the climate across all retailers, they have a reasonable chance 1up us on the sale of Warner releases in Q4.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

fud (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). I think that does sum it up quite well.
Even if it is true concern on your part it still fits perfectly into the fud category.
And damn those BOGO sales which allow me to amass a large library of blu-rays at much less than what it would cost on regular dvd.

I am just confused a bit because for example Jag ( and nothing bad intended I promise ) is saying pretty much exactly how I feel in the Insiders thread but in this thread acting like everyone is crazy to express concern.

Do not get me wrong, I do not see a snowball's chance in hell of hd winning this week but it may play with the percentage and again with all of the sales and the fact that hd had no real sales that I can remember it is just cause for concern.
(Mainly pointed at Stringer and Sony and their "we are where we want to be and we do not need to lower price on stand alones" mindset)

[blu2]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

fud (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). I think that does sum it up quite well.
Even if it is true concern on your part it still fits perfectly into the fud category.
And damn those BOGO sales which have allowed me to amass a large library of blu-rays at much less than what it would cost on regular dvd.

Bear in mind this time last year, the PS3 effect was "FUD" as far as HD DVD fans were concerned. Look how things turned out.

Both formats made made their decisions on strategy for Q4. There's nothing we can do at this point but sit back and see what happens.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Yes because anyone concerned is obviously spreading fud.
It is jackass mindsets like that which make this board a laughing stock on most others.You can be quite loyal and still express concern and displeasure with how some things are handled.
Or is blu some kind of Patriot Act George W mentality?

Look, I'm as open minded as anyone on here, but right now I have a very low tolerance for idiotice FUD spreaders and those who analyse every word to the enth degree.

Far from this board being a laughing stock, it's one of the very few boards out there that tries to keep to the facts and comes down hard on FUD.

Most other boards are like a bloody schoolyard!

I'll reserve my comments for the insiders thread were we can get real answers, analyzing Amazon etc. leads us up a blind alley, as does speculation about attach rates.

The bickering and rivalry this format war has created is quite rediculous.

If anyone in the outside world knew what went on in this niche format war, I'd be embarrased to say I was part of it.

Right now, I'll give both formats until next summer, if by then we have no clear idea who's going to triumph I'm ditching Blu-ray, other than must have movies, and will wait for HD downloads.

I've had quite enough with arrogant multi national companies treating us like fools, seemingly quite happy to keep this war ticking along while we suffer.

[arocket]

The reason that Planet Earth shot up so much is because Oprah mentioned it on her show. Not many PS3 users watch Oprah, so that is why the Blu-ray version did not move.

[richard lichtenfelt]

Originally Posted by cking2729

Well we never thought Paramount would jump ship so it's only fair to be skeptical about Warner. Especially when it could mean so much for both camps. And if Amazon's sales of Warner HD-DVDs are any indication of the climate across all retailers, they have a reasonable chance 1up us on the sale of Warner releases in Q4.

Warner was also offered a deal by hd dvd and when WB turned it down their VP Steve Nickerson resigned. WB turned down a big bag of cash and let their VP quit rather than go hd dvd exclusive.
Since you people keep repeating yourselves I now shall do the same; hd dvd actually wins a week this year then the score is 51 to 1 blu-ray, if blu-ray continues and wins every week then the score is 52 to 0, no big deal.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Look, I'm as open minded as anyone on here, but right now I have a very low tolerance for idiotice FUD spreaders and those who analyse every word to the enth degree.

Far from this board being a laughing stock, it's one of the very few boards out there that tries to keep to the facts and comes down hard on FUD.

Most other boards are like a bloody schoolyard!

I'll reserve my comments for the insiders thread were we can get real answers, analyzing Amazon etc. leads us up a blind alley, as does speculation about attach rates.

The bickering and rivalry this format war has created is quite rediculous.

If anyone in the outside world knew what went on in this niche format war, I'd be embarrased to say I was part of it.

Right now, I'll give both formats until next summer, if by then we have no clear idea who's going to triumph, I'm ditching Blu-ray, other than must have movies, and will wait for HD downloads.

I've had quite enough with arrogant multi national companies treating us like fools, seemingly quite happy to keep this war trickling along while we suffer.

I completely agree about other boards.
And this board is much much better than others.
I will say though that quite a few different occasions if you dare express any concern or whatever you are immediately brushed off or attacked which is just dumb.
(Don't get me wrong, I also see quite a few drama queens who do not even bother to look into any facts before trying to stir things up also so I can kind of understand the response all and all).

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by blu2

I read on another forum that Planet Earth was mentioned on "Oprah" this week.

(I don't know if the HD Version were mentioned... heaven help us if Oprah endorses HD DVD)

.Oprah's Favorite Things Looks like this explains Planet Earth shooting to number 1 on DVD and probably the upshoot of the HD DVD version and the BD version as well, but not so much the BD version.

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by blu2

The question is whether the PS3 sales spike the rest of the year is big enough to counter the likely growing standalone market share that HD DVD has.

It will be extremely hard to predict one way or another at this point.

I could see perhaps 250K-300K HD DVD standalones selling in Nov/Dec. Assume 100K Blu Ray standalones, and you'd need perhaps a million PS3s sold to counterbalance. Could be close.

And quite frankly, I don't think 1 million PS3 is going to be a problem for Nov/Dec.

But you're right, that might just keep things even...but since the concern was that HD-DVD would widen the gap...that is the reason I don't think that will happen. I think at worst, you'll just see the ratio maintain.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by kowhite

And quite frankly, I don't think 1 million PS3 is going to be a problem for Nov/Dec.

But you're right, that might just keep things even...but since the concern was that HD-DVD would widen the gap...that is the reason I don't think that will happen. I think at worst, you'll just see the ratio maintain.

Possibly quite true.
My only real concern I guess is that Sony is so freaking smug hiding behind the "install base of the PS3" that it just irritating.
I think everyone outside of them agree (including other BD stand alone makers) that we need stand alones in the 250-299 range at least ( and 1.1) to shift into the next gear.
Instead they just seem to like to toss BOGO sales out there.
(One of the big problems with BOGO sales now is that most people who are going to benefit from them have all of the movies involved so you get diminishing returns.)

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Possibly quite true.
My only real concern I guess is that Sony is so freaking smug hiding behind the "install base of the PS3" that it just irritating.
I think everyone outside of them agree (including other BD stand alone makers) that we need stand alones in the 250-299 range at least ( and 1.1) to shift into the next gear.
Instead they just seem to like to toss BOGO sales out there.
(One of the big problems with BOGO sales now is that most people who are going to benefit from them have all of the movies involved so you get diminishing returns.)

And I'd agree...I wish the BDA was being more aggressive on that front. But, at this point, it doesnt' seem to be the direction they want to go in. Which is too bad...as it just means the format war will last a bit longer.

But, apparently, going in for the kill is not something the BDA is intending on doing. I don't know if it's Sony being smug though...rather than the complications that exist when you have multiple CE partners...versus just one company who has no partners to worry about.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by kowhite

And I'd agree...I wish the BDA was being more aggressive on that front. But, at this point, it doesnt' seem to be the direction they want to go in. Which is too bad...as it just means the format war will last a bit longer.

But, apparently, going in for the kill is not something the BDA is intending on doing. I don't know if it's Sony being smug though...rather than the complications that exist when you have multiple CE partners...versus just one company who has no partners to worry about.

These companies have to compete, it's easy for Toshiba to drop their prices being by themselves. But I think the BDA companies would prefer to actually make money on their products. Toshiba is not going to be able to sustain a loss on their players forever... who would want that kind of business?

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by kowhite

And I'd agree...I wish the BDA was being more aggressive on that front. But, at this point, it doesnt' seem to be the direction they want to go in. Which is too bad...as it just means the format war will last a bit longer.

But, apparently, going in for the kill is not something the BDA is intending on doing. I don't know if it's Sony being smug though...rather than the complications that exist when you have multiple CE partners...versus just one company who has no partners to worry about.

I can agree.
It is part of where I am torn.
I will be honest, I think Sony would do anything to keep an equal quality BD player as the PS3 from hitting 300 or lower for at least another six months out of fear that it will affect PS3 sales.
I mean it has to be a bit nice for them to know that anytime anyone asks about a BD player the common answer is "get a PS3" and that would be something that if I were them I would fight to keep at least until PS3 can stand on its own as a game console.

On the other hand there is the risk of alienation if say Samsung dropped a $299 1.1 full featured bd player and LG or Sony was not ready to be in the same range.

I know which one I lean toward believing more.