81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[beavis667]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Possibly
I just remembered reading an article about Sony working on this jointly with Cable opearators in Asia, probably preparing to launch a big HD DVR (Ps3 based) offer through some cable operators in Japan and a few otehr Asian countries.
Analysts say that MS is preapring the same for the Xbox, the lack of an integrated HD player being of course a handicap vs the PS3 offer
(but again the release of a Xbox with HD player would most certainly be too little too late at this point)

IMO if they can make the PS3 compatible with USB OTA tuners, or even some Sony manufactured OTA/ATSC tuner, that would be absolutely killer. To be able to record OTA HD content like you can with the HR20 from Direct-TV...but it be for free.. That would be huge.

I pay 96 bucks a month on DirectTV and I'd drop that in a second if I could just record OTA stuff with my PS3. I'd miss watching Dexter on Showtime though!

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by Esox50

For those who do not know:

thanks for the history lesson. I didn't realize so few people would get that joke....

sad really. i thought it was rather funny when i made it.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

thanks for the history lesson. I didn't realize so few people would get that joke....

sad really. i thought it was rather funny when i made it.

I would combine Paramount & Dreamworks, and add Lion's Gate.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

My Predictions for 2008
Here. Maybe just a "tad" on the optimist side, and probably too fast, but that's my 2008 list of predictions for a happy Blu world

Nice! I like that set of predications! Let's hope it all comes to pass!

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by sj001

Nice! I like that set of predications! Let's hope it all comes to pass!

He forgot the part about Ken Graffeo soiling himself when he learns that he's being forced from "above" to release on Blu-Ray starting in the 3rd or 4th Quarter.

[camper]

Originally Posted by beavis667

IMO if they can make the PS3 compatible with USB OTA tuners, or even some Sony manufactured OTA/ATSC tuner, that would be absolutely killer. To be able to record OTA HD content like you can with the HR20 from Direct-TV...but it be for free.. That would be huge.

I pay 96 bucks a month on DirectTV and I'd drop that in a second if I could just record OTA stuff with my PS3. I'd miss watching Dexter on Showtime though!

I know that Dish Network allows you to watch your DVR'd stuff on a Sony PSP. Can't get it down to your computer (without hacking, presumably) so I'm king of hoping that they offer a PS3-ish converter box that I can get through them.

~Camper

[sj001]

Originally Posted by Esox50

He forgot the part about Ken Graffeo soiling himself when he learns that he's being forced from "above" to release on Blu-Ray starting in the 3rd or 4th Quarter.

DOH! Yes, or Ken Graffeo "stepping down"...

[stockstar1138]

I'm sorry Elendyll, but thats just too optimistic. Here is the way I see things happening. I think you have HD DVD being dead by next xmas right, but i think you have blu-ray taking over so easily wrong.

1. In Jan. Target announces that they are removing all HD DVD software from their shelves. No other retailers follow

2. Late Jan. leaks of WB exclusivity begin to pour out again

3. Early (like Groundhog Day) Feb. WB exclusivity is announced for blu-ray. HD DVD prices drop and sell well due to ignorance at most retailers and consumers.

4. April - Ken Graffeo decides he wants to spend time with his family more.

5. Late April - Universal announces neutrality, but titles and quality transfers on catalog titles really don't come out very fast.

6. May - HD DVD players are going for less than $69 street value at retailers to spur intrest/clear out inventory, BOGOs are rampent with HD DVD. The HD DVD promo group will say that they are so cheap because its so much cheaper to produce. This causes the Nielsen's to go from their standard 80:20 back down to about 70:30.

7. June Paramount releases titles such as Braveheart, Gladiator, and a few other big time catalog titles exclusively for HD DVD. For a few weeks we see 2:1 numbers again, HD DVD goes on a massive PR spur saying that they have the momentum and are coming back.

Early Sept - with profile 1.0 players selling now at $199 and the cheaper chinese 1.1 players at $249, blu-ray finally announces that it has overcome HD DVD in standalones. The first 2.0 profile player (besides PS3) is released for $399.

Late Sept. - MS announces that it will no longer be producing the xbox add on and that they believe neither HD format caught on and digital downloads are the future, massive new LIVE service.

Most retailers have no more hd dvd titles in their stores, over the past few months, hd dvd has gradually been getting less in less shelf space, but it was so obvious hd dvd was losing, the retailers did not want to po any CE manufacturs and announced that hd dvd was getting dropped from their stores. (note: if WB doesn't go exclusive, this will turn into a different story has stores will announce that they are dropping hd dvd, simply to make sure blu-ray survives and they don't get cut out of teh equation) a few best buys or circuit city's might have a few titles still in stock that havn't been sold or dumped

Oct. - Toshiba also believes both formats have failed and have magically gone from making hardware to helping out with MS download services. Basically, they no longer make hardware for either format, but help out with the hardware/software wide of LIVE downloads.

Late Oct. - Paramount announces that they will not be releasing anymore HD DVDs anymore and they believe also that digital downloads are the future and release HD content exclusively through LIVE. This is how they get to still keep their 150 million/

Late Oct - Universal drops HD DVD too.

Nov. - MS promotes their LIVE service rampently, they have titles from Disney, Fox, Universal, Paramount, and Warner Bros. They say it is cheaper and simpler to use than blu-ray.

Dec. - A blu-ray sells 1 million copies

Jan 09 - Dreamworks leaves Paramount and is a part of Universal now. They release on blu-ray now.

April 09 - Paramount finally agrees to release content on blu-ray.

June 09 - Toshiba announces they are making a blu-ray player.

Aug 10 - MS will announce the next xbox, it will have a blu-ray drive in it. They will claim that now the market is ready for blu-ray, however LIVE downolads will still be a major part of the xbox. The new XBOX is set to hit stores in 2011.

Blu-ray shares the HD world with digital downloads, blu-ray will thrive, and downloads will do alright, at least good enough that their will always be a market for them. The PS3 will also have a download service too. The general idea is that downloads are the new rental stores (hollywood video, blockbuster, etc.)

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Blu-ray shares the HD world with digital downloads, blu-ray will thrive, and downloads will do alright...

And you forgot, Amir soils himself.

[upnorthsox]

Originally Posted by beavis667

How does the PS3 HD-DVR work? Does it record over the air stuff HD with the help of a USB HD tuner or something?

Yes and no, for the US it'd mostly be an HD cable tuner(that's a tuner with 900 channels and a CableCard) usb attachment. There could also be an OTA HD-tuner(that's what is being introduced in the EU and Japan Q1 2008) or a satellite HD tuner but that would require agreements with the satellite providers which is doubtful.

Basically what you'd have is a small box housing your cable/OTA tuner with a slot for your CableCard, the incoming feed would be split with one feed going to your ps3 via the cable/OTA tuner and the other feed going to your cable box or direct to your TV. The cable/OTA tuner would attach to the ps3 via a usb cable which would also supply power and control to the tuner device. Obviously an interface application would run on the ps3 for channel control/interface, tv guide, and DVR record/playback/management. Playback would be thru your existing HDMI/component connection for the ps3 and content storage would be on the ps3's hard drive.

[CptGreedle]

This seems a tad optimistic to me. But heck, if you are right that would be awesome. Although i doubt the 360 would have an internal BD drive... it is more likely going to have an add-on if anything.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

This seems a tad optimistic to me. But heck, if you are right that would be awesome. Although i doubt the 360 would have an internal BD drive... it is more likely going to have an add-on if anything.

360 will never have a blu-ray drive internally, the next xbox will.

The gist of the post is supposed to be that the people with HD DVD will not just flock to blu-ray, but attempt to go with downloads instead.

[Skygod]

Sorry if this has been referenced before (I'm a first-time poster, and have been reading here for about a month).

Does anyone else find Amazon's treatment of HD DVD vs. Blu-ray to be pro-red? Seems like their "more details" columns stresses blu short-comings, but mostly skips over blu advantages.

Maybe I'm just too affected by my time here and newfound passion for blu disks, but:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...01&pf_rd_i=130

[Go Blu]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

This seems a tad optimistic to me. But heck, if you are right that would be awesome. Although i doubt the 360 would have an internal BD drive... it is more likely going to have an add-on if anything.

If Blu-ray were to win the format war I could totally see MS including a BR drive. Then they will have 2 reasons to upsell their console.

1. They can start putting HD games on a Blu-ray disc for increased capacity.
(Still be BW compatable with existing games too as to not alienate existing users.)

2. Yet another alternative for a next gen player.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

If Blu-ray were to win the format war I could totally see MS including a BR drive. Then they will have 2 reasons to upsell their console.

1. They can start putting HD games on a Blu-ray disc for increased capacity.
(Still be BW compatable with existing games too as to not alienate existing users.)

2. Yet another alternative for a next gen player.

how will they not be alienating existing users if the games are on a BD and 16 million xboxes only read dvd.

[CptGreedle]

They would never put 360 games on anything other than DVDs.
There are too many 360s already out there that use DVD games and would be unable to read new games on either HD DVD or Blu-ray.
The only thing they CAN do is add an add-on or an optional internal BD drive that would only play movies. I think an internal drive would be a waste since most ppl already have a 360, and so the only real answer would be to add a BD add-on. Maybe on the next XBOX console they will add BD support, especially if they want to have a console that can compare with the next PlayStation.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

I'm sorry Elendyll, but thats just too optimistic. Here is the way I see things happening. I think you have HD DVD being dead by next xmas right, but i think you have blu-ray taking over so easily wrong.

1. In Jan. Target announces that they are removing all HD DVD software from their shelves. No other retailers follow

2. Late Jan. leaks of WB exclusivity begin to pour out again

3. Early (like Groundhog Day) Feb. WB exclusivity is announced for blu-ray. HD DVD prices drop and sell well due to ignorance at most retailers and consumers.

4. April - Ken Graffeo decides he wants to spend time with his family more.

5. Late April - Universal announces neutrality, but titles and quality transfers on catalog titles really don't come out very fast.

6. May - HD DVD players are going for less than $69 street value at retailers to spur intrest/clear out inventory, BOGOs are rampent with HD DVD. The HD DVD promo group will say that they are so cheap because its so much cheaper to produce. This causes the Nielsen's to go from their standard 80:20 back down to about 70:30.

7. June Paramount releases titles such as Braveheart, Gladiator, and a few other big time catalog titles exclusively for HD DVD. For a few weeks we see 2:1 numbers again, HD DVD goes on a massive PR spur saying that they have the momentum and are coming back.

Early Sept - with profile 1.0 players selling now at $199 and the cheaper chinese 1.1 players at $249, blu-ray finally announces that it has overcome HD DVD in standalones. The first 2.0 profile player (besides PS3) is released for $399.

Late Sept. - MS announces that it will no longer be producing the xbox add on and that they believe neither HD format caught on and digital downloads are the future, massive new LIVE service.

Most retailers have no more hd dvd titles in their stores, over the past few months, hd dvd has gradually been getting less in less shelf space, but it was so obvious hd dvd was losing, the retailers did not want to po any CE manufacturs and announced that hd dvd was getting dropped from their stores. (note: if WB doesn't go exclusive, this will turn into a different story has stores will announce that they are dropping hd dvd, simply to make sure blu-ray survives and they don't get cut out of teh equation) a few best buys or circuit city's might have a few titles still in stock that havn't been sold or dumped

Oct. - Toshiba also believes both formats have failed and have magically gone from making hardware to helping out with MS download services. Basically, they no longer make hardware for either format, but help out with the hardware/software wide of LIVE downloads.

Late Oct. - Paramount announces that they will not be releasing anymore HD DVDs anymore and they believe also that digital downloads are the future and release HD content exclusively through LIVE. This is how they get to still keep their 150 million/

Late Oct - Universal drops HD DVD too.

Nov. - MS promotes their LIVE service rampently, they have titles from Disney, Fox, Universal, Paramount, and Warner Bros. They say it is cheaper and simpler to use than blu-ray.

Dec. - A blu-ray sells 1 million copies

Jan 09 - Dreamworks leaves Paramount and is a part of Universal now. They release on blu-ray now.

April 09 - Paramount finally agrees to release content on blu-ray.

June 09 - Toshiba announces they are making a blu-ray player.

Aug 10 - MS will announce the next xbox, it will have a blu-ray drive in it. They will claim that now the market is ready for blu-ray, however LIVE downolads will still be a major part of the xbox. The new XBOX is set to hit stores in 2011.

Blu-ray shares the HD world with digital downloads, blu-ray will thrive, and downloads will do alright, at least good enough that their will always be a market for them. The PS3 will also have a download service too. The general idea is that downloads are the new rental stores (hollywood video, blockbuster, etc.)

Interesting, but imho you give way too little impact to WB going exclusive.
Basically in Feb. 08 you see them exclu (like in my predictions), but you also see the Nielsen going back to 70:30 in May ? O.o
If the WB move is correct, I doubt that even $69 players will save HD DVD from the mass of articles predicting its imminent death due to lack of content... I also have to let out doubts as per MS being ready to just replace a HD disc format by a Live download feature by Sept 08,
My 2cps.

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Interesting, but imho you give way too little impact to WB going exclusive.
Basically in Feb. 08 you see them exclu (like in my predictions), but you also see the Nielsen going back to 70:30 in May ? O.o
If the WB move is correct, I doubt that even $69 players will save HD DVD from the mass of articles predicting its imminent death due to lack of content... I also have to let out doubts as per MS being ready to just replace a HD disc format by a Live download feature by Sept 08,
My 2cps.

IF WB goes exclusive in Feb, I think there will be a lot of articles claiming an end to the war, maybe not right now, but soon. People will see this. If the retailers also start picking Blu-ray (such as BBy and Target, etc) than the war will essentially be over. By summer, it is possible that Universal will go neutral. If that happens, the war IS over. Paramount will stop releasing titles to HD DVD altogether and wait out the end of the contract... if something else does not get them out of it (like Toshiba breaking their side of the deal).
This war has gone on long enough!

[Go Blu]

The BR drive will play all of their old DVD games should it hypothetically be bundled in.

No one is being alienated.
It will play all your games as normal.
If you want to play any new XBOX HD games on BR Disc you'd have to go buy a new console with the BR player in it.

Likewise...
If you want to play PS3 games you have to go buy a PS3.
It will still play your PS2 and PS1 games.
Just like a BR drive will play all of the old xbox DVD games.
Did Sony alienate all of us?
Nope, that's just the way business works.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Interesting, but imho you give way too little impact to WB going exclusive.
Basically in Feb. 08 you see them exclu (like in my predictions), but you also see the Nielsen going back to 70:30 in May ? O.o
If the WB move is correct, I doubt that even $69 players will save HD DVD from the mass of articles predicting its imminent death due to lack of content... I also have to let out doubts as per MS being ready to just replace a HD disc format by a Live download feature by Sept 08,
My 2cps.

notice that i said that they were going down from their standard 80:20 to 70:30, I think HD DVD will make a last ditch effort and many, many (like 150,000 over a month) are going to buy into HD DVD because of how cheap it is, the weeks that they run these really, really cheap players they will also have BOGOs, so you get the player for $69, movies for 10 bucks a pop and freebies and probably some in store freebies too. so a j6p buys an hd dvd instead of an upconverting player and gets 3 free hd dvds at the store, plus a selection of some BOGO titles and it relaly messes with the numbers. For a short period this should skew the numbers a bit, but nothing to be afraid about.