81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers - Page 79 - Blu-ray Forum

MrBogey · 09-07-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mycroft

If you use "Sony Math" (Amount of revenue) I would say that HD handily beat BD this week. Heroes is 3x the cost of 300, which would make it the top grossing title of the week with almost 3 times the revenue of it's closest rival.

Luckily we don't use Sony Math

Actually that is HD DVD math. They created to tout the success of The Matrix on HD DVD. Sony touted they're taking in more money than HD DVD as well as selling more stand alones in the past few months and the error was completely on MS fanboys inability to read and comprehend.

phloyd · 09-07-2007, 09:56 PM

The chart in the Sony conference clearly shows Units sales.

Anyone who thinks it is revenue is simply mistaken.

WriteSimply · 09-07-2007, 10:05 PM

If Paramount had not gotten paid off, BoG on BD would be #2 and Shooter would be on that list somewhere.

The YTD/SI is far more important than this week's number. But keep lookin' at the week's number next week 'cuz that will influence YTD/SI. I echo others that say Heroes will drop off the top 10 list.

Chin up guys. Great releases are coming on BD.

fuad

BillCable · 09-07-2007, 10:07 PM

Talk about grasping at straws..

jw · 09-07-2007, 10:22 PM

I can see clearly now the rain is gone.........
Come on sept 18

mycroft · 09-07-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BTBuck1

You're off to a good start here

Am I? Excellent

I was referring to a previous posters sarky use of "Toshiba Math", although I'm not sure what it refers to. Sony did use revenue numbers for their 63% of the player market comment at IFA, which is not the same as the Sony talk showing them selling more units a week for the recent past.

Pretty decent results this week though. I was surprised HD didn't do better, although not that surprised. Proves that no single title will win the war, for either side.

Slapper · 09-07-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mycroft

Am I? Excellent

I was referring to a previous posters sarky use of "Toshiba Math", although I'm not sure what it refers to. Sony did use revenue numbers for their 63% of the player market comment at IFA, which is not the same as the Sony talk showing them selling more units a week for the recent past.

Pretty decent results this week though. I was surprised HD didn't do better, although not that surprised. Proves that no single title will win the war, for either side.

Here is some Toshiba math:
When calculating attach rates Toshiba counts the PS3, when it talks about players in households, they do not count the PS3. That's just one example.

I'm wondering if you caught the sarcasm earlier from BTBuck1?

BillCable · 09-07-2007, 11:56 PM

Can anybody tell me if all the replacements for defective copies of Heroes are counted towards these numbers?

There's a lot of people out there on their 2nd or 3rd box set trying to get one that'll play without freezing. Do those count as another "sale" when they're returned to B&M stores?

Jamh · 09-08-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BillCable

Can anybody tell me if all the replacements for defective copies of Heroes are counted towards these numbers?

There's a lot of people out there on their 2nd or 3rd box set trying to get one that'll play without freezing. Do those count as another "sale" when they're returned to B&M stores?

If they're like 360s at Best Buy they probably do.

Slapper · 09-08-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BillCable

Can anybody tell me if all the replacements for defective copies of Heroes are counted towards these numbers?

There's a lot of people out there on their 2nd or 3rd box set trying to get one that'll play without freezing. Do those count as another "sale" when they're returned to B&M stores?

I would think a return would count as a wash if they did an exchange. If they just returned to get their money back then I think that would count as a no sale for the returned item, or a -1 counted toward overall sales of the item.

Neo65 · 09-08-2007, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by groovyone

There they go again with that f'd up math!!

Looking at 56:44 and seeing 50:50 is easy. I once put a 1 foot tall pole far away from a 40 story condo. If I move my head low and place my eye just so that the pole stands between me and the condo, I can see that the 1 foot pole looks bigger than the 40 story condo.

It's called perspective.

Neo65 · 09-08-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mycroft

If you use "Sony Math" (Amount of revenue) I would say that HD handily beat BD this week. Heroes is 3x the cost of 300, which would make it the top grossing title of the week with almost 3 times the revenue of it's closest rival.

Luckily we don't use Sony Math

Can't we all just get along?

Cyorg · 09-08-2007, 12:32 AM

Check this out from AVS. I guess this guy forgot that Blu had absolutly zero new releases this week.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...796036&page=30

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Did someone say 56 : 44? Did I get that right? 56 : 44? It's the first I've seen it. Is that what just happened ending on Sept. 2? 56 : 44? Hey don't you think that's awesome? Can't you here FOX getting ready to have another press conference?
" UH/ Well....UH. It's not ...uh...what....uh uh. When we made those announcements about BD and HD-DVD we were uh, ...well um...anyone see the Disney group? Anywhere? I'll be right back." Exit stage right.

One studio makes a switch and goes HD and it's a 20 point swing? Pretty cool don't you think. One more studio goes exclusive HD and blu will start to head on up that long road to "beta-mini-disc" heaven.

Predict away boys, HD just turned on the lights.

phloyd · 09-08-2007, 12:38 AM

Not everyone is paying attention

When he realises 'the truth' I am sure he will feel a lot of disappointment.

Cyorg · 09-08-2007, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by phloyd

Not everyone is paying attention

When he realises 'the truth' I am sure he will feel a lot of disappointment.

I almost want to create an account at AVS just to let this guy know just how much of a moron he is.

Chris Gerhard · 09-08-2007, 01:17 AM

With the studio support for both formats as it is now, it sure looks to me like most weeks are going to be around 60% - 40% Blu-ray winning. This last week was a little worse than that and next week should be a little better, but the domination week after week at 2-1 ended with the Paramount defection. Until things change again, that is just the way it is likely to run.

Chris

GaS · 09-08-2007, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

With the studio support for both formats as it is now, it sure looks to me like most weeks are going to be around 60% - 40% Blu-ray winning. This last week was a little worse than that and next week should be a little better, but the domination week after week at 2-1 ended with the Paramount defection. Until things change again, that is just the way it is likely to run.

Chris

Got to disagree with you. Towards the end of the year I think we will see plenty of 2:1 or greater advantages. The next month or so may be lean though.

Esox50 · 09-08-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

With the studio support for both formats as it is now, it sure looks to me like most weeks are going to be around 60% - 40% Blu-ray winning. This last week was a little worse than that and next week should be a little better, but the domination week after week at 2-1 ended with the Paramount defection. Until things change again, that is just the way it is likely to run.

Chris

I disagree. Paramount released, what, 33 titles in 15 months or so? How many of these were really big sellers?

I'm not saying it won't have an impact. Especially Transformers and Shrek 3. But at the end of the day, BD just has so many more and better titles coming that there's really no way the previous ratios will drop more than a few percentage points longer term (if at all).

You know what will cause more damage? Previously BLU exclusive people panicking and going neutral and loading up on previously released Universal titles.

Patience people...

Deciazulado · 09-08-2007, 01:55 AM

Yes, only 33 movies including DreamWorks and the latest Blaze of Glory.

Winning this week's Nielsen's without any BD releases was like winning a battle without firing a single shot.

monkyman · 09-08-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Esox50

You know what will cause more damage? Previously BLU exclusive people panicking and going neutral and loading up on previously released Universal titles.

Patience people...

I think there will be quite a few HD-DVD exclusive people going neutral for Spiderman and other BD blockbusters as well.

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09-07-2007, 09:56 PM	#1562
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	The chart in the Sony conference clearly shows Units sales. Anyone who thinks it is revenue is simply mistaken.

09-07-2007, 10:05 PM	#1563
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	If Paramount had not gotten paid off, BoG on BD would be #2 and Shooter would be on that list somewhere. The YTD/SI is far more important than this week's number. But keep lookin' at the week's number next week 'cuz that will influence YTD/SI. I echo others that say Heroes will drop off the top 10 list. Chin up guys. Great releases are coming on BD. fuad

09-07-2007, 10:07 PM	#1564
BillCable Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	Talk about grasping at straws..

09-07-2007, 10:22 PM	#1565
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	I can see clearly now the rain is gone......... Come on sept 18

09-07-2007, 11:56 PM	#1568
BillCable Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	Can anybody tell me if all the replacements for defective copies of Heroes are counted towards these numbers? There's a lot of people out there on their 2nd or 3rd box set trying to get one that'll play without freezing. Do those count as another "sale" when they're returned to B&M stores?

09-08-2007, 12:38 AM	#1574
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	Not everyone is paying attention When he realises 'the truth' I am sure he will feel a lot of disappointment.

09-08-2007, 01:17 AM	#1576
Chris Gerhard Banned Member since:Feb 2007	With the studio support for both formats as it is now, it sure looks to me like most weeks are going to be around 60% - 40% Blu-ray winning. This last week was a little worse than that and next week should be a little better, but the domination week after week at 2-1 ended with the Paramount defection. Until things change again, that is just the way it is likely to run. Chris

09-08-2007, 01:55 AM	#1579
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1161 Blu-ray collection:7055 DVD collection:4063	Yes, only 33 movies including DreamWorks and the latest Blaze of Glory. Winning this week's Nielsen's without any BD releases was like winning a battle without firing a single shot.

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