I'm sure a lot of businesses are losing money due to this capacity limit, but hey, better than being closed, don't ya think? Or we can just open at full capacity and get a second wave!
Sometimes it is better to be closed. When you are closed all you have to pay is rent. To be open they need enough money for payroll and all the extra cleanings and the liability of people getting sick. I doubt it’s even worth it to operate at 5 or 10% revenue which is probably more then they can expect to get with 30% max occupancy, no concessions and a pandemic.
Sometimes it is better to be closed. When you are closed all you have to pay is rent. To be open they need enough money for payroll and all the extra cleanings and the liability of people getting sick. I doubt it’s even worth it to operate at 5 or 10% revenue which is probably more then they can expect to get with 30% max occupancy, no concessions and a pandemic.
What do you mean no concessions? That's not going to happen.
What do you mean no concessions? That's not going to happen.
They won’t be able to open most places then. Indoor dining adds to much risk. It doesn’t help that theaters are enclosed spaces with pretty poor ventilation by design that people sit in for hours at a time.
They won’t be able to open most places then. Indoor dining adds to much risk. It doesn’t help that theaters are enclosed spaces with pretty poor ventilation by design that people sit in for hours at a time.
Well the big difference is the everyone is facing the same direction.
In a restaurant people are breathing in each other's faces while talking and eating. Classic example of face to face close contact.
People generally talk very little during a movie so that helps as well.
Although I agree they probably won't open before indoor dining.
Indoor dining it would help a lot to have plexi-glass dividers on table and booths at eye level, where people face each other.
Sometimes it is better to be closed. When you are closed all you have to pay is rent. To be open they need enough money for payroll and all the extra cleanings and the liability of people getting sick. I doubt it’s even worth it to operate at 5 or 10% revenue which is probably more then they can expect to get with 30% max occupancy, no concessions and a pandemic.
Ok, keep them closed then. Doesn't hurt me because I rarely go to the movies. I was just thinking more about the economy, but if it's better to keep them closed forever, then so be it. Personally, I'd rather have museums open...
I had watched a documentary about finding a vaccine for Covid earlier tonight from Channel 4 who are based in the UK.
The documentary is called Race Against The Virus: The Hunt For A Vaccine.
It said at the end of it that the vaccine from Oxford University was already in production during the final human stage III trials.
Forbes Magazine has reported that hundreds of millions of doses of this vaccine are apparently being produced from a manufacturing facility in India as from this weekend. A company called SII won approval to get the vaccine created. The article from Forbes about the vaccine being produced is here.
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We Should Consider Starting Covid-19 Vaccinations Now
Steven Salzberg
Contributor - Healthcare
The author published an update to this article, reversing his position, on 8/3/20.
Development of new Covid-19 vaccines is proceeding at a furious pace, which is good news for the world. We already have two vaccines in phase 3 trials in the US and Europe; each of these trials which will vaccinate many thousands of people, and then wait to see how many get infected. If the vaccines work, then in a few months’ time we’ll be able to start large-scale production.
But we don’t have to wait. Both of these vaccines (from Moderna and Oxford University/Astra Zeneca) have already been shown, in phase 1 trials, to be safe and probably effective. That’s why the companies are moving ahead and giving each vaccine to 30,000 more people: they are fairly confident that the vaccines are safe. The NY Times reports that 3 other Covid-19 vaccines are also in phase 3 trials: one from BioNTech and Pfizer, and two from Chinese companies, Sinopharm and Sinova Biotech.
So why not start administering millions of doses right now? We should at least consider the possible benefits–and the costs.
(Update 3 August: I’m not suggesting we skip the phase 3 trials. Far from it! Scientists should monitor those closely, and if any negative side effects appear, they should immediately halt any pre-approval use of the candidate vaccines.)
In fact, an Indian vaccine manufacturer is already moving ahead with large-scale production. The Serum Institute, run by Indian billionaire Adar Poonawalla, is manufacturing hundreds of millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine, before it gets final approval, investing its own money and taking a chance that the vaccine will work.
Why aren’t we doing the same thing in the U.S. and Europe? As I see it, there are two things holding us back:
1. Money. Making hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine is expensive, and if the vaccine doesn’t succeed in phase 3 trials, that money will have been wasted. I can see why the private companies running these trials might not be able to proceed with large-scale production. This is where the government can step in: just buy the vaccines in advance! We’re already doing this on a fairly large scale anyway: the US recently announced that it was paying Novavax $1.6 billion to cover all stages of its clinical trials plus the manufacture of 100 million doses, long before the vaccine has been approved.
Given that the U.S. alone has already spent well over $3 trillion (that’s 3000 times a billion, for those who are counting) to bail out the economy, with at least another $1 trillion to come, a few billion dollars more to manufacture vaccines–even if the vaccines don’t work–seems like a great investment.
2. Caution. The normal process for vaccine testing and approval requires 3 phases. In phases 1 and 2, we carefully test for safety and try to determine the best dose. Even though a vaccine might seem effective after these phases, the number of people being tested is small, and we need larger numbers to be confident that the vaccine works. That’s what phase 3 tells us.
So the current phase 3 plans for these vaccines work like this: identify a large number of people (30,000 in at least one of the trials) and give half of them the vaccine, and give the other half a placebo. Then wait for a few months and see how many people get Covid-19. If the vaccine is working, then we’ll see that significantly fewer people in the vaccinated group get sick.
Great. We should definitely do this, and we are.
But we’re in the midst of the worst pandemic since 1918. The careful, step-by-step vaccine approval regimen wasn’t designed for a global emergency, in which every day of delay means that thousands of people die.
We already know that the vaccines in phase 3 trials are safe–otherwise it would be unethical to give the vaccine to 30,000 people, as these trials are doing. (Note: phase 3 trials sometimes uncover safety issues that affect only a small percentage of people–issues that might not appear in smaller phase 1/2 trials. So phase 3 also assesses safety, on a larger scale.) Weighing the risks versus the benefits, I think we should immediately ramp up production, using government funds rather than private money, and then offer these vaccines for free to anyone who wants them.
Of course we’ll have to educate anyone who wants the vaccine that we don’t know for sure if it works. No one will be forced to take it, but I’m guessing that millions of people will be eager to try. And yes, there’s a chance that the vaccines won’t work very well, and maybe this will create greater distrust when we eventually do get a good vaccine. But that’s a risk we ought to take, given the greater harm caused by delays. The evidence for these trial vaccines is already better than for most of the actual treatments we’re giving people–and most importantly, we know they are safe.
So let’s start vaccinating millions of people now, as soon as we can ramp up production. I’ll be first in line to try either the Moderna or the Oxford vaccine, as soon as it’s ready.
Disclaimer: the content on this site is Dr. Salzberg’s personal opinion and is independent of my affiliation with Johns Hopkins University.
Last edited by dublinbluray108; 08-04-2020 at 12:28 AM.
Reason: I had to include the August 3rd update. Sorry guys.
I'm sure a lot of businesses are losing money due to this capacity limit, but hey, better than being closed, don't ya think? Or we can just open at full capacity and get a second wave!
Ok, keep them closed then. Doesn't hurt me because I rarely go to the movies. I was just thinking more about the economy, but if it's better to keep them closed forever, then so be it. Personally, I'd rather have museums open...
Folks who live in hard-hit areas should probably get things like annual check-ups done now or as soon as possible because if the number of daily infections and the number of hospitalizations are still high by late autumn then things might be a bit rough on hospitals and doctors and it could be a lot more difficult to get a check-up done then. Stay safe everyone!
The problem is most insurances require a full year to pass before covering the next physical. I could not get one this month because it was only 11 months since my last one and my insurance won't cover it until next month.
I've heard "second wave" mentioned more than once when journalists talk about the current upwards trends in cases in some States. I wonder if they're using the wrong terminology. The affected States are areas where the virus migrated to after peaking in other parts of the country (New York, particularly) so it's not really a second wave, is it? It's just an increase in cases that may reach a plateau soon just like NY did. Speaking of NY, we're doing OK now but how long will it be before cases spike here as well? Tons of restaurants with Al Fresco sidewalk dining. It's great to see activity again but at what cost?
BTW, has anything been said about the virus attaching itself to facial hair? Lots of dudes out there with goat beards. Ugliest trend to date IMO.
An article just the other day said some experts are saying now we need to stop calling them waves, as it's just one long "wave" and we're still right in the middle of it.
Places hard hit that recover (like New York) won't have a second wave (cases may go up slightly due to reopenings but not to an uncontrollable extent like before) because they've already reached the herd immunity threshold (HIT). The HIT is already starting to occur in hot spots in the south and west, as cases are going down pretty quickly in these places now.
Overall cases down in the U.S. by nearly 10 percent in the last week and the trend will continue throughout this month.
Indoor dining is a problem because mixed households eating at the same table share each other's airspace.
Hair salons should be open, much less risk because both can wear masks and most of the time the hairdresser is behind the customer or to the side.
We need to stop posting statements like this as fact. Nobody knows this for sure yet.
Sometimes it is better to be closed. When you are closed all you have to pay is rent. To be open they need enough money for payroll and all the extra cleanings and the liability of people getting sick. I doubt it’s even worth it to operate at 5 or 10% revenue which is probably more then they can expect to get with 30% max occupancy, no concessions and a pandemic.
I expect most places to go under come winter when people stay home as numbers rise and there's no more government money (at least in Canada) to rely upon.
We need to stop posting statements like this as fact. Nobody knows this for sure yet.
That's what I'm wondering about. There have been mixed messages from health experts and Dr. Fauci himself about whether herd immunity will even exist with this virus. There's been a number of cases where people are becoming re-infected and sometimes, the re-infection ends up being worse.
That's what I'm wondering about. There have been mixed messages from health experts and Dr. Fauci himself about whether herd immunity will even exist with this virus. There's been a number of cases where people are becoming re-infected and sometimes, the re-infection ends up being worse.
Scrase said in a news conference last week that evidence is starting to show that younger age groups “have less hospitalizations and less serious complications.” However, that doesn’t mean those age groups can’t pass the virus to someone else.
The state projects that far more people could have COVID-19 but either don’t know it because they’re asymptomatic or never got tested. Dr. Scrase said last week the state believes there are an additional 4.6 unconfirmed COVID-19 cases for every one confirmed positive case.
“Our data and the formula we use suggests a ratio of about one positive COVID case to 4.6 other people in New Mexico who have immunity,” Scrase said. “The CDC came out last week with an estimate of something like maybe 5 to 6 to 20 percent of people are immune.”
By the figure provided by the state. estimating an additional 4.6 unconfirmed COVID cases for every one positive COVID case, an estimated 118,328 people in New Mexico may have been infected with COVID-19 since the pandemic arrived. 118,328 people represent roughly 5% of the state’s population of more than two million people.
That figure is still far from what Dr. Scrase says it would take to see so-called herd immunity in the state. “It takes 70 percent of people being immune to really have herd immunity,” Scrase said.
Dr. Scrase also said in the most recent governor news conference that coronavirus is now thought to have around a 1.3% death rate worldwide. In New Mexico, about 3% of all people with confirmed cases have died.
While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.
Masks are now required for adults dropping off or picking up kids at my kids’ daycare. The moms messenger group is infuriating, with entitled ones saying it’s such an inconvenience that the state is controlling everything and she might as well stay home and collect more money, to straight up conspiracy crap like how China will have a vaccine and this will be over in November anyway. How do I even respond? Keep in mind I’m in a rural area so these moms have been quite sheltered all their life.
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