Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

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The CDC have released results from a study tonight to say that Covid-19 is 5 times more deadlier than the Flu.

It said that ethnic & minority groups where disproportionately affected from getting Covid-19. That would mean more people in this group would be prone to catch it & get complications & die from it. People who are deemed healthy can be prone to be getting neurological & renal complications from this virus.

Elsewhere; Spain has become the 1st country in Western Europe to hit 1 million cases of Covid-19.

The Republic of Ireland has gone back into a level 5 lockdown which came into effect from midnight tonight. It will last for between 4 to 6 weeks.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by MrHT

It sure is. It's people refusing to do what they are supposed to. While I wasn't expecting the virus to be completely gone at this point, we should be continuously slowing the spread, at least.

Do you really think the virus would miraculously go away when nonsense like this continues to go on...?

https://thetab.com/uk/liverpool/2020...-protest-60190

I know I've posted this video before, but I'll post it again. Even Fauci says the pandemic didn't have to be this bad.

Why Fauci says pandemic 'didn't have to be this bad' - YouTube

So please stop living in denial and act as if we did the best we could with this pandemic. We failed in the past and what's bad is that we haven't learned from our failure and still continue to fail 'til this day.

What about the hundreds of thousands of People who had to go into hospital and caught it in there?

What about the millions across the world who are on the frontline?

What about the millions in care homes?

What about the fact that the virus mutates and could potentially mutate to the point where vaccines are useless and we have to start the trials over?

What about the fact that face masks aren’t necessarily going to stop you getting the virus?

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What about the hundreds of thousands of People who had to go into hospital and caught it in there?

What about the millions across the world who are on the frontline?

What about the millions in care homes?

What about the fact that the virus mutates and could potentially mutate to the point where vaccines are useless and we have to start the trials over?

What about the fact that face masks aren’t necessarily going to stop you getting the virus?

Are we seriously having this conversation??

That is not why the spread is so rapid right now. Have you not watched the news about how much lack of compliance has been going on??

And just as an FYI, studies have been showing that healthcare workers have a lower infection rate than the general population! So nice try!

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Are we seriously having this conversation??

That is not why the spread is so rapid right now. Have you not watched the news about how much lack of compliance has been going on??

And just as an FYI, studies have been showing that healthcare workers have a lower infection rate than the general population! So nice try!

What is your solution to all this then?, in the U.K the opposition party keeps highlighting the failures of the government without any real insight at what they would have done differently or better, which to be fair is pretty much the same in the U.S too.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

What is your solution to all this then?, in the U.K the opposition party keeps highlighting the failures of the government without any real insight at what they would have done differently or better, which to be fair is pretty much the same in the U.S too.

How about wearing a mask and socially distancing? Do you have any idea how much of that is NOT going on in the world today?

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by MrHT

How about wearing a mask and socially distancing? Do you have any idea how much of that is NOT going on in the world today?

I see a lot of people wearing masks, but you have to be realistic too, we can't keep everyone indoors forever and the world economies shut down, we also have to consider the economic costs to people in all this, plus their long term mental well being as well.

I am with you totally on people being irresponsible, but I do not think it's the majority of people doing this, here in the U.K my area has moved up a tier in restrictions and Wales is going into full lock down from tomorrow.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I see a lot of people wearing masks, but you have to be realistic too, we can't keep everyone indoors forever and the world economies shut down, we also have to consider the economic costs to people in all this, plus their long term mental well being as well.

I am with you totally on people being irresponsible, but I do not think it's the majority of people doing this, here in the U.K my area has moved up a tier in restrictions and Wales is going into full lock down from tomorrow.

You and I can take a walk in my neighborhood for 20 minutes and I can pinpoint at least 20 people outside that are not wearing masks. Most are, but a good number aren't. And forget about social distancing; nobody does that here.

It only takes one infected person to spread to several people so it is extremely important that EVERYONE does their part. Not 99% but EVERYONE!!! And no, asking everyone to wear a mask is not unreasonable at all because it's such a god damn simple thing to do.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Are we seriously having this conversation??

That is not why the spread is so rapid right now. Have you not watched the news about how much lack of compliance has been going on??

And just as an FYI, studies have been showing that healthcare workers have a lower infection rate than the general population! So nice try!

2 metres distance is not going to stop the virus being transmitted, nor are face masks. The only thing that would slow it is total lockdown for the next few months and that would lead to a bigger issue down the line. It would destroy more lives than the virus itself.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by MrHT

You and I can take a walk in my neighborhood for 20 minutes and I can pinpoint at least 20 people outside that are not wearing masks. Most are, but a good number aren't. And forget about social distancing; nobody does that here.

It only takes one infected person to spread to several people so it is extremely important that EVERYONE does their part. Not 99% but EVERYONE!!! And no, asking everyone to wear a mask is not unreasonable at all because it's such a god damn simple thing to do.

Of course it's simple, and as I said people being blatantly irresponsible are wrong, but there will be people with breathing difficulties that will be exempt from wearing a mask, but on the whole some will not be taking this as seriously as others witch is sad but will always happen with things like this.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

2 metres distance is not going to stop the virus being transmitted, nor are face masks.

With that attitude, it's no wonder why people aren't doing what they are supposed and the virus is currently spreading like wildfire. So many people are like, masks don't work, so why bother?

And no one ever said anything about "stopping" the virus. That's impossible without a vaccine or herd immunity. But we can slow the spread and masks certainly do that.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

2 metres distance is not going to stop the virus being transmitted, nor are face masks. The only thing that would slow it is total lockdown for the next few months and that would lead to a bigger issue down the line. It would destroy more lives than the virus itself.

Lockdowns will have an effect like the last one in the UK did, it will flatten a the curve and protect overstretched emergency services, but of course you can't totally lock things down, people still have to eat and get basic essentials, and that's before you factor in some will not observe it no matter what, so a lockdown's effectiveness will always be limited in the first place, and as you quite rightly pointed out the economic ramifications could be far worse than the actual virus itself.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by MrHT

With that attitude, it's no wonder why people aren't doing what they are supposed and the virus is currently spreading like wildfire. So many people are like, masks don't work, so why bother?

And no one ever said anything about "stopping" the virus. That's impossible without a vaccine or herd immunity. But we can slow the spread and masks certainly do that.

Another issue is that there can be many other ways this virus could be spread, and while wearing masks is a great start, it can also lead to people wearing them feeling invincible as it were, and not being as careful out and about as they should.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by MrHT

With that attitude, it's no wonder why people aren't doing what they are supposed and the virus is currently spreading like wildfire. So many people are like, masks don't work, so why bother?

And no one ever said anything about "stopping" the virus. That's impossible without a vaccine or herd immunity. But we can slow the spread and masks certainly do that.

My family and I wear masks every day yet my sister and her husband ended up in intensive care and nine more of us had to have tests (we could easily have had most of the family infected)

Here, in the North East, kids are getting the virus in schools and then passing it on to family. Universities are following protocols yet closing down with hundreds of infections.

It’s unstoppable. The only way is lockdown and that would destroy the country.

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by MrHT

It sure is.

lol. Masks arent 100% safe, just like seat belts. Many people who are trying their best not to catch it, are catching it.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

lol. Masks arent 100% safe, just like seat belts. Many people who are trying their best not to catch it, are catching it.

I understand. But same with seatbelts. Does that mean we should not wear it because it's not 100%?? And I promise you, a lot of people don't wear seatbelts for that reason and why many people get severely injured or even killed during car accidents. Same goes with this pandemic. Many people aren't wearing masks and why the spread is out of control right now.

With over 8 million cases right now in the U.S. alone, you cannot honestly say that EVERYONE is doing their best not to catch it.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My family and I wear masks every day yet my sister and her husband ended up in intensive care and nine more of us had to have tests (we could easily have had most of the family infected)

Here, in the North East, kids are getting the virus in schools and then passing it on to family. Universities are following protocols yet closing down with hundreds of infections.

It’s unstoppable. The only way is lockdown and that would destroy the country.

So are you saying taking precautions doesn't work and that we should give up wearing masks and not social distance anymore???

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by MrHT

So are you saying taking precautions doesn't work and that we should give up wearing masks and not social distance anymore???

The insanity with all this is thinking there are simple answers, sure distancing and masks are a step in the right direction, but people can't keep away from each other for ever, and as with everything, asking people to do what is not natural to them is always going to be difficult.

I know it's a tough job to compare individual countries as there are different social setups and population densities to take into account, but I would be much more willing to accept Sweden's solution to all this, because you do not have to come out of the lockdown, which can cause far more issues than the solution was put there to stop in the first place, but again you have to look at how well your individual country and area would deal with such an approach.

[oildude]

Originally Posted by MrHT

So are you saying taking precautions doesn't work and that we should give up wearing masks and not social distance anymore???

Your daily panic posts here are doing you no good mentally even as a means of venting your frustrations. Please take a break.

We all understand this is a stressful time and that all reasonable care must be taken to avoid contacting the virus. This includes mask wearing, washing hands, and maintaining safe distances. One day a vaccine will be available and until that happens it's up to you to maintain common sense and diligence even if others aren't.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by oildude

Your daily panic posts here are doing you no good mentally even as a means of venting your frustrations. Please take a break.

We all understand this is a stressful time and that all reasonable care must be taken to avoid contacting the virus. This includes mask wearing, washing hands, and maintaining safe distances. One day a vaccine will be available and until that happens it's up to you to maintain common sense and diligence even if others aren't.

So many people are underestimating the mental health effects of this virus, we are coming into a very difficult time for a lot of people on their own, and will always find the holidays difficult over the holiday season to begin with, plus all the people living paycheck to paycheck, and that's all before we count the cost of all the added anxiety caused by the virus itself, and the constant media coverage with all their constant fear tactics.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by oildude

Your daily panic posts here are doing you no good mentally even as a means of venting your frustrations. Please take a break.

We all understand this is a stressful time and that all reasonable care must be taken to avoid contacting the virus. This includes mask wearing, washing hands, and maintaining safe distances. One day a vaccine will be available and until that happens it's up to you to maintain common sense and diligence even if others aren't.

But that's why I'm frustrated. I'm more frustrated with humanity than the virus itself. The bolded part of your post are simple things requiring minimal effort and can work wonders in keeping the infection rate low. But people aren't doing it. Everyday I turn on the news and they announce, "Crowd gatherings today, no masks!" I'm like, really??? And the problem is, the infection rate has currently skyrocketed to the point where a vaccine could be useless at this point. But I hope I'm wrong.

Anyways, I apologize and had to vent that one last thing. I'll take a break starting now. Sorry for the trouble I may have caused and will refrain from posting here for a while.