Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Dubstar]

and in more 'Sweden is truly stupid' news:

SWEDEN'S CORONAVIRUS DEATH TOLL 'HORRIFYING' SAYS SCIENTIST BEHIND COUNTRY'S ANTI-LOCKDOWN STRATEGY

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

and in more 'Sweden is truly stupid' news:

SWEDEN'S CORONAVIRUS DEATH TOLL 'HORRIFYING' SAYS SCIENTIST BEHIND COUNTRY'S ANTI-LOCKDOWN STRATEGY

Disagree. Canada locked down right away. And our death toll is more horrifying than theirs...

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Disagree. Canada locked down right away. And our death toll is more horrifying than theirs...

and yet Sweden never fully admitted or enacted 'lock down' - and as a result: this.

and Quebec is wanting to reopen despite's it's high death rate:

Quebec leads Canada in coronavirus deaths, so why is it starting to reopen?

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Disagree. Canada locked down right away. And our death toll is more horrifying than theirs...

It makes no sense to look at absolute death totals. Canada has a population over three times that of Sweden, and many more places with larger population densities. Just to put things in perspective, Sweden has a worse death rate than America.

And their economy is predicted to be just as messed up as the rest of Europe. So how much was not shutting down worth? It cost thousands of needless deaths so far, and they're probably just delaying the inevitable shutdown anyway. When over 2,300 doctors, scientists, and academics sign an open-letter saying it's the wrong decision, you know you ****ed up.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

It makes no sense to look at absolute death totals. Canada has a population over three times that of Sweden, and many more places with larger population densities. Just to put things in perspective, Sweden has a worse death rate than America.

And their economy is predicted to be just as messed up as the rest of Europe. So how much was not shutting down worth? It cost thousands of needless deaths so far, and they're probably just delaying the inevitable shutdown anyway. When over 2,300 scientists say it's the wrong decision, you know you ****ed up.

And yet the guy who runs their health system is treated like a hero by the public there...

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

and yet Sweden never fully admitted or enacted 'lock down' - and as a result: this...

That's the point I'm trying to make - they didn't shut down their economy - ya ok it wasn't the same as before either, but comparatively speaking people still lived normal lives and they focused on protecting the most at risk.

And now everyone else is opening up.

The great experiment continues...

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

And yet the guy who runs their health system is treated like a hero by the public there...

According to who? Do you have a source? Also, is this the same guy that's saying the death toll comes as a surprise to him, and how he's not sure he made the right choice?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

and in more 'Sweden is truly stupid' news:

SWEDEN'S CORONAVIRUS DEATH TOLL 'HORRIFYING' SAYS SCIENTIST BEHIND COUNTRY'S ANTI-LOCKDOWN STRATEGY

Again, this is not "news". And if their death toll is horrifying, what adjective would be appropriate for the five countries with higher death rates than theirs, ALL of which have had lockdowns?

Covid 19 deaths per million in first column:

726 Belgium
558 Spain
495 Italy
451 UK
398 France
309 Netherlands
301 Sweden
284 Ireland
232 USA

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

According to who? Do you have a source? Also, is this the same guy that's saying the death toll comes as a surprise to him, and how he's not sure he made the right choice?

I do but I'm to lazy to look right now...remember reading many stories where Swedes think buddy can do no wrong.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

It makes no sense to look at absolute death totals. Canada has a population over three times that of Sweden, and many more places with larger population densities. Just to put things in perspective, Sweden has a worse death rate than America.

And their economy is predicted to be just as messed up as the rest of Europe. So how much was not shutting down worth? It cost thousands of needless deaths so far, and they're probably just delaying the inevitable shutdown anyway. When over 2,300 doctors, scientists, and academics sign an open-letter saying it's the wrong decision, you know you ****ed up.

I don't know, their curve has been flattened for a couple of weeks now. It's likely that they will stay the course IMO.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Just to put things in perspective, Sweden has a worse death rate than America.

Did you expect it to be better, considering the EU is ground zero for this strain and we had lockdowns and they didn't? Just saying.

Or maybe it's just an affirmation that the lockdowns aren't as effective as they're made out to be and it's more simple social distancing than anything else (although I think the lockdowns here were mostly necessary, since people here are less likely to respect them if they're weren't a lockdown first.)

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I don't know, their curve has been flattened for a couple of weeks now. It's likely that they will stay the course IMO.

"flattening the curve" and the recent surge in deaths seem to contradict one another though.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Did you expect it to be better, considering the EU is ground zero for this strain and we had lockdowns and they didn't? Just saying.

I was just responding to Pondo who's using absolute death numbers rather than something like a death rate, which would paint a more accurate picture. Saying they have a worse rate than the US is just an easy way of saying that a lot more people per capita are dying their than in Canada, where he's from.

One can argue the merits of whether this no lock-down policy will work or not. i think only time will tell one way or another. I do feel for any elderly, and high risk people there right now who are essentially part of an involuntary experiment with their lives.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Dollar Colonel

Just quit Facebook like I did a couple of years ago. Deactivate it (you can always activate it later), try it out for a couple of weeks, and then weeks become years. FB was really tiring, both in me trying to present the best version of myself and in seeing others I respect degrade/reveal themselves.

Real friends would find a way to stay in touch. Deactivating FB doesn't stop Messenger functionality if that's your only way of contacting people.

I didn't realize how stupid some of my "friends" are on Facebook. One of them posted on their timeline a few days ago saying that those who are forced to stay home should get paid time and a half. I'm like, WTF?? If their company is shutdown, how the hell can they afford to pay you time and a half. You're lucky you're even getting paid anything! It's incredible how selfish people are!

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

"flattening the curve" and the recent surge in deaths seem to contradict one another though.

What surge in deaths? Here's the chart for Sweden.



The last 3 days have been higher than the two before that, probably because of the daily inconsistency in reporting. One really needs to go by a 5 or 7 day moving average for this very reason (7 day moving average shown by the solid line).

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I was just responding to Pondo who's using absolute death numbers rather than something like a death rate, which would paint a more accurate picture. Saying they have a worse rate than the US is just an easy way of saying that a lot more people per capita are dying their than in Canada, where he's from.

One can argue the merits of whether this no lock-down policy will work or not. i think only time will tell one way or another. I do feel for any elderly, and high risk people there right now who are essentially part of an involuntary experiment with their lives.

reading the various shit, about certain Governors and officials who have this attitude via Facebook and Twitter borders in my mind as ineptness and sadism

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

2 McDonald's employees shot after telling customer dining room was closed due to COVID-19, police say

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/oklah...b6526942a33169

Police said Gloricia Woody, 32, entered the restaurant at about 6 p.m. and became aggressive with employees after being told that the dining area was closed. After a physical confrontation with a worker, Woody was forced out of the restaurant, according to police.

Woody returned to the restaurant shortly afterward armed with a handgun, Oklahoma City police Capt. Larry Withrow told The New York Times Thursday. She fired about three rounds, hitting one employee in the arm, he said. Two additional workers were hit with shrapnel, he added.

Apparently she's only being charged with assault and battery with a deadly weapon. Why not attempted murder?

Why do we continue to go easy on violent crime? She left and then returned armed. That's pre-meditated. She shot 2 people and injured 2 more. Assault and battery? Seriously?

[ctujackbauer]

Souplantation, my favorite salad, soup and bakery AYCE buffet is closing and not reopening. Nearly 100 restaurants.

Sandiegoville - Souplantation Is No More | San Diego-Based Restaurant Chain Will Not Reopen

Have a little over $120 in gift cards. Even though I would like to use the gift cards and promo gift cards, I kind of just want the restaurant/buffet back.

Gonna get worse before it gets better...

[VictoryAtNight]

The coronavirus death toll in the United States is climbing past 70,000, with thousands of new cases every day. But there is still one part of the country without a single confirmed case, much less a fatality: American Samoa

https://www.yahoo.com/news/place-u-n...122450844.html

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by VictoryAtNight

https://www.yahoo.com/news/place-u-n...122450844.html

What's interesting is the anti-vaxxers there may have indirectly helped that by already preparing the people there for social distancing because of having to already do that very recently with their measles outbreak.