Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Regarding exercising and masks:

Boston appears to have the strictest rules, requiring a mask on outdoors at all times, even while exercising.



Regarding transmission risks from runners and bikers, and outdoors in general...


So only case out of 7300 was from outside. Just one. People need to worry about indoor transmission and not so much outdoors. That's why there's a trend on doing activities outdoors, such as outdoor dining and meetings. It's relatively safe to be outside and the sooner people realize that, the better. There is enough fear going around as it is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/h...O6lzOtcPBjzVq0

We need the fear to help balance against the idiots that aren't taking it seriously at all and aren't even taking the smallest of steps to do their part.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

i dont know where it came from, so i keep all options open. i havent read or heard anything to make me believe it definitely didnt come from the lab, so that still remains an option. dont understand why its so far fetched an idea that it was released from the lab, but like you said, we'll likely never know.

It's far-fetched because it has been proven that it wasn't. Just because they don't know exactly where it came from doesn't mean they don't know where it didn't come from.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

It's far-fetched because it has been proven that it wasn't. Just because they don't know exactly where it came from doesn't mean they don't know where it didn't come from.

again, nothing ive seen shows proof it didnt come from the lab. if you have something that could change my mind, happy to see it.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I think you should read this article guys. It will give an insight into what this virus is like for those who have it.

https://elemental.medium.com/coronav...g-2c4032481ab2

Very interesting indeed. Shows we are just beginning to understand what this is.

Months into the pandemic, there is now a growing body of evidence to support the theory that the novel coronavirus can infect blood vessels, which could explain not only the high prevalence of blood clots, strokes, and heart attacks, but also provide an answer for the diverse set of head-to-toe symptoms that have emerged.

“If you start to put all of the data together that’s emerging, it turns out that this virus is probably a vasculotropic virus, meaning that it affects the [blood vessels],” says Mandeep Mehra, MD, medical director of the Brigham and Women’s Hospital Heart and Vascular Center.

“The concept that’s emerging is that this is not a respiratory illness alone, this is a respiratory illness to start with, but it is actually a vascular illness that kills people through its involvement of the vasculature,” says Mehra.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

That has nothing to do with the weather, and everything to do with our behavior. There hasn't been any dramatic drop eiither, cases have been steadily declining for over a month now. The weather/humidity has barely even been good enough to lead to any sort of decreases in transmission here, if such a correlation even exists.

But that's the thing, human behavior is worse now. Everyone is outside right now walking, picnicking and sitting on benches chilling with other people. Social distancing is worse than ever and it's been that way for the past two weeks, yet new cases continue to decline.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by MrHT

But that's the thing, human behavior is worse now. Everyone is outside right now walking, picnicking and sitting on benches chilling with other people. Social distancing is worse than ever and it's been that way for the past two weeks, yet new cases continue to decline.

Prior to the protests and riots, most people are still social distancing outside, and taking precautions. Not to mention the fact that transmission is extremely low outside, something that has been told to you countless times now.

The density in the city is vastly reduced compared to months prior. Groups in the parks are unlikely to lead to huge spikes. We'll have to see what the events of both Memorial Day, and these protests and riots have on the numbers, if any.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

i dont know where it came from, so i keep all options open. i havent read or heard anything to make me believe it definitely didnt come from the lab, so that still remains an option. dont understand why its so far fetched an idea that it was released from the lab, but like you said, we'll likely never know.

Originally Posted by Lacit170

again, nothing ive seen shows proof it didnt come from the lab. if you have something that could change my mind, happy to see it.

What you believe or don't believe is totally irrelevant, & nobody cares about changing your mind either.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Lol, many articles have been linked to in here. A 30-minute video interview with a leading doctor/scientist was posted in here a couple weeks ago and he said flat-out that they know for a fact it did not come from a lab. But again, no amount of proof is good enough for some people.

didnt see that video but am curious how he can know for a fact that it didnt come from a lab.

can you personally answer why its inconceivable that it came from a lab? all i've read is that "the chances it came from a lab are slim". thats not proof of anything

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MrHT

But that's the thing, human behavior is worse now. Everyone is outside right now walking, picnicking and sitting on benches chilling with other people. Social distancing is worse than ever and it's been that way for the past two weeks, yet new cases continue to decline.

Yes, of course all airborne viruses are affected by the weather. It's just a matter of physics.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20227421/

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

didnt see that video but am curious how he can know for a fact that it didnt come from a lab.

can you personally answer why its inconceivable that it came from a lab? all i've read is that "the chances it came from a lab are slim". thats not proof of anything

I deleted my other post because I messed it up, but here's the video link.

Leading Korean Coronavirus Expert Reacts To COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k84gE7ObuQ

Q: But where does the virus come from?

A: SARS-CoV-2, which is the virus that causes the COVID-19 disease, is scientifically proven to be from bats...But before it reached humans, there had to have been intermediate animal hosts in between. We're still not sure if it was snakes or pangolins. Those are the 2 animals we're speculating. And in a seafood market in Wuhan that sold live animals, there must have been the intermediate host animal that got infected with the virus from a bat. The animal jumped from the animal host to a human.

Q: We are sure of that now?

A: That's right. Pretty much every scientists agrees that it started in bats...Some intermediate host, whether it be a snake or pangolin, contained the virus. And people captured it and sold it in a market as food. And there, the virus mutated yet again, and jumped to another host, us humans.

Q: So in the end, it infected humans because someone ate the meat of that animal?

A: You can get infected from eating an infected animal, but in that wet market, you have all those animals' feces, and they probably coughed and released the virus into the air as well. It's actually more probable that people at the market got infected from inhaling the virus. We usually boil or cook our meat before we eat it, so it's likely that the virus dies during that process. Or perhaps the market was already infected and contaminated with the virus, and the people there breathed in the virus and that's how it started. The problem is, while they were shutting the wet market down because of the outbreak, they didn't do proper investigation.

This is the last I will be posting on this matter. The info is out there if people want to learn it.

[mar3o]

I also find it funny how some in here insist that it's safe now to be outside without a mask as it's unlikely to spread outside, yet the very way the experts believe it started is outside, from breathing in particles outside in a wet market. Lots of people packed together in a close environment outside, exactly what they have been saying we shouldn't do.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I also find it funny how some in here insist that it's safe now to be outside without a mask as it's unlikely to spread outside, yet the very way the experts believe it started is outside, from breathing in particles outside in a wet market. Lots of people packed together in a close environment outside, exactly what they have been saying we shouldn't do.

Unless you're within 6 feet other people you're not required to wear a mask outside. That's what the mask ordinances state in most major cities. You're free to wear one all the time if you want if it makes you feel safer.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Interesting...virus weakening??

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...-idUKKBN2370OP

Apparently the eggheads are now arguing among themselves...

"Dr Oscar MacLean, of the MRC-University of Glasgow centre for virus research, said Zangrillo’s claims were “not supported by anything in the scientific literature, and also seem fairly implausible on genetic grounds”.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Unless you're within 6 feet other people you're not required to wear a mask outside. That's what the mask ordinances state in most major cities. You're free to wear one all the time if you want if it makes you feel safer.

I'm talking about the total lack of social distancing we're seeing now in some/many places, where hundreds of people are packed together in a close outside area. I'm not talking about going for a walk on a secluded path or road.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I deleted my other post because I messed it up, but here's the video link.

Leading Korean Coronavirus Expert Reacts To COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k84gE7ObuQ

This is the last I will be posting on this matter. The info is out there if people want to learn it.

i actually did watch the video when you originally posted it and it doesnt prove anything other than theory, jsut like everything else with this ordeal.

so, the video and quotes you provided say the wet market....yet, the chinese CDC just came out saying it did not come from the wet market, so not sure what you supposedly proved or that the "info is out there" because it is not. its all speculation

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Apparently the eggheads are now arguing among themselves...

"Dr Oscar MacLean, of the MRC-University of Glasgow centre for virus research, said Zangrillo’s claims were “not supported by anything in the scientific literature, and also seem fairly implausible on genetic grounds”.

From what I’ve seen the Italian claims have been rejected far and wide, and wide agreement on the basis for the rejection, which are all in line with the above.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

i actually did watch the video when you originally posted it and it doesnt prove anything other than theory, jsut like everything else with this ordeal.

so, the video and quotes you provided say the wet market....yet, the chinese CDC just came out saying it did not come from the wet market, so not sure what you supposedly proved or that the "info is out there" because it is not. its all speculation

It didn't come from the suspected wet market they tested animals at. They never said it couldn't have come from a different wet market.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

What you believe or don't believe is totally irrelevant, & nobody cares about changing your mind either.

cant change something that doesnt have an answer. i dont say where it came from becuase no one knows where it came from. but i also dont rule out possibilities seemingly for no reason.

all i did was post that the Chinese CDC has now said it did not come from the wuhan seafood wet market

[quirkmanly]

Originally Posted by quirkmanly

Folks, please take heed - this thread cannot descend into a social/political hodge-podge as it did earlier today. There are plenty of other forums around the web where issues of that nature can be discussed without infringing on those venue's rules, so please keep that discussion off-site.

Further infractions of this nature will result in stiffer sanctions than a whole bunch of deleted posts. Thank you and let's keep things on topic.

Re-posting.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by bruceames

My mom and dad liked to go to Henry's (a hamburger joint) when I was a kid and we'd (3 kids, so 5 total) always eat in the car in their lot. Remember the McDonald's sign then saying "Over 3 million sold", lol.

Cars were more of a hangout back then. Drive-in's. Diners where they bring you the food to eat in the car. Maybe they'll make a comeback?

I'm old enough to remember when Mc Donalds did not have inside seating. We used to get the food and eat in our car. In fact, the glove compartment's backside of the door had an indentation to put your cup on.