Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[LordoftheRings]

I know, not all news is good news, and certainly not this Coronavirus pandemic and certainly not the people refusing to wear masks. Some countries are doing fine on a daily basis, others not so fine.
And we just don't need another pandemic on top of a pandemic.
There's none right now (on top), but health scientists are vigilant and working on it ... staying on top.

By Jon Cohen - Jun. 29, 2020 , 3:00 PM

What the world doesn’t need now is a pandemic on top of a pandemic. So a new finding that Chinese pigs are more and more frequently becoming infected with a strain of influenza that has the potential to jump to humans has infectious disease researchers worldwide taking serious notice. Robert Webster, an influenza investigator who recently retired from St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital, says it’s a “guessing game” as to whether this strain will mutate to readily transmit between humans, which it has not done yet. “We just do not know a pandemic is going to occur until the damn thing occurs,” Webster says, noting that China has the largest pig population (500 million) in the world. “Will this one do it? God knows.”

When multiple strains of influenza viruses infect the same pig, they can easily swap genes, a process known as “reassortment.” The new study, published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, focuses on an influenza virus dubbed G4. The virus is a unique blend of three lineages: one similar to strains found in European and Asian birds, the H1N1 strain that caused the 2009 pandemic, and a North American H1N1 that has genes from avian, human, and pig influenza viruses.

• Science: Swine flu strain with human pandemic potential increasingly found in Chinese pigs

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

in light of what I said last Thursday -

regardless of anti-vaxxers participation, one step at a time, I’m just so glad at least to see that Tony has publicly specified on CNN what he’s settled on as to his lower limit target efficacy (70-75%), so that the process maybe now cannot be corrupted by non-physician forces behind the scenes in their potentially pushing and accepting a far lower efficacy prematurely in order to bring forth a big announcement quickly

Well 30% would still be really good and a lot better than nothing.

[LordoftheRings]

⚜ https://www.covid-19canada.com/

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Hayabusa85

No amount of resources and funding speed up the time needed to fully test a vaccine. Anybody with a theory can develop a potential vaccine over night but testing the vaccine isn't as simple as jabbing a needle into one person and deciding that them not dropping dead on the spot means it is safe enough to give to millions of people. Especially in this case where vaccine candidates seem to be returning a high amount of ADE results. All these leading experts are still changing their stance week by week on basic things like how it can spread let alone trusting them to decide a vaccine is safe.

They are not going to release a vaccine to the world that is dangerous and could cause illness/health disorders/death to possibly millions of healthy individuals. It would destroy people's trust in vaccines that would lead to countless other diseases making a comeback. They know this. Nobody will risk this. We're not talking about a drug being released from a big-pharma company that may or may not be withholding certain findings from their own funded studies just to get it to market. We're talking about a vaccine that will be released worldwide, and that will get a ton of scrutiny from leading scientists and medical professionals before being released.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Wow, price gouging at its finest. I just stopped by a Lot-Less store earlier today and they had toilet paper... $2.95 per roll.

Well, that's a lot-less than the $4.95 they were originally considering charging per roll.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Well, that's a lot-less than the $4.95 they were originally considering charging per roll.

Well then, time to change the name of the store to “Lot-More.”

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by mar3o

They are not going to release a vaccine to the world that is dangerous and could cause illness/health disorders/death to possibly millions of healthy individuals...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...sco-180961994/

[Waboman]

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Waboman

You haven't met some of my ex gfs.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Yes Canada is better than the United States, we've known that for decades.

Do you think I posted that Canadiens are better?
Because they aren't. I posted for the Canadiens reading and posting in this thread, stats.
Now you know. I have family blood in Texas, in Florida. Best people in the world.

Coronavirus is affecting the entire world, not just Brazil and Mexico.

Are you French from France (District 13)?

[Batman1980]

I am a South Korean who was raised in America by white people.

That District 13 location is from the fictional world of Panem in the Hunger Games films.

I still remember like it was yesterday, so many people thought 2020 was going to be amazing and I just wanted a senior year of college with no bumps.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by mar3o

They are not going to release a vaccine to the world that is dangerous and could cause illness/health disorders/death to possibly millions of healthy individuals. It would destroy people's trust in vaccines that would lead to countless other diseases making a comeback. They know this. Nobody will risk this. We're not talking about a drug being released from a big-pharma company that may or may not be withholding certain findings from their own funded studies just to get it to market. We're talking about a vaccine that will be released worldwide, and that will get a ton of scrutiny from leading scientists and medical professionals before being released.

They are vaccinating people as we speak. Testing, hundreds of them, people who volunteer to help in getting rid of this virus for the entire planet, courageous people.

Yes it will take some time, but they are working night and day and testing vaccines night and day on people from all over the world, the other fighting team...for us all.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I am a South Korean who was raised in America by white people.

That District 13 location is from the fictional world of Panem in the Hunger Games films.

I still remember like it was yesterday, so many people thought 2020 was going to be amazing and I just wanted a senior year of college with no bumps.

You sounded like if I was saying that Canadians are better.
My ancestors came from France. My roots are European.
I live in Canada for over half century, from east to west.
It has some great spots, like the USA, but the USA has more variations.
And in Canada we have tons of problems, including health issues.

That's all.

[Batman1980]

My apologies, I do think Canada is better, agree to disagree.

[LordoftheRings]

I'm not from the mentality that one is better than another.
That COVID-19 link I posted was from a scientific audio blog run by a Canadian from Vancouver and posted by an American. Some of the best audio scientists I know of.
Coronavirus was a blog he started, and I was touched by how responsible all people are.

That's all. I'm more interested internationally than locally.
And no one is superior than anyone. That's my philosophy and always have been.
>>>>>

* The article (back from april): http://archimago.blogspot.com/2020/0...ality-age.html

And one of the comments from which the link came from:

Mitchco - 6 April 2020 at 22:04
Hey Arch, I hope everyone is well.

I don't know if you have seen this before, a kid from BCIT has created an informative website focused on Canada: COVID-19 (Coronavirus) Updates: Canada

What is going on in QC?

Be well my friend!

Mitch

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Well 30% would still be really good and a lot better than nothing.

Of course, if that’s the best we can get. I’m not one to speak to medical economics, but in the zest for good news by the powers that be, I would not want potential government funds for manufacture and delivery of the first horse out of the gate be diverted from other promising horses (vaccines) and thusly slowing their development when they could end up *winning by many more lengths* if one waited a little longer.

Sure, it may turn out to be a delicate balancing act decision, but in regards to further/changing funding, I’d like the final assessment made by Dr. Fauci and other non-biased career medical experts from NIH, etc. to be the ultimate decisioner rather than some political appointee from the DHHS who could be much more easily leveraged by pharmaceutical companies or politicians. I think dobyblu and I discussed an aspect of this sort of thing weeks back on this thread, but not with regards to efficacy per se.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mar3o

They are not going to release a vaccine to the world that is dangerous and could cause illness/health disorders/death to possibly millions of healthy individuals. It would destroy people's trust in vaccines that would lead to countless other diseases making a comeback. They know this. Nobody will risk this. We're not talking about a drug being released from a big-pharma company that may or may not be withholding certain findings from their own funded studies just to get it to market. We're talking about a vaccine that will be released worldwide, and that will get a ton of scrutiny from leading scientists and medical professionals before being released.

Agreed.
Yeah, I’m not at all concerned about safety profile of the chosen one. Sure, at worldwide launch they may miss some contraindications to the administration of the vaccine, like a history of long term use of this or that medication or some other association to some disease a person could have concurrently, but the risk to the general population will likely be very low, for that matter, much lower than the chance of young people becoming infected and hospitalized for COVID-19 which seems a very acceptable risk these days by lots of folks not following public health guidelines (mask wearing, social distancing, etc.).

[Batman1980]

I think it's a combination of not caring and being too stupid to realize just how dangerous the disease is.

[Hayabusa85]

Originally Posted by mar3o

They are not going to release a vaccine to the world that is dangerous and could cause illness/health disorders/death to possibly millions of healthy individuals. It would destroy people's trust in vaccines that would lead to countless other diseases making a comeback. They know this. Nobody will risk this. We're not talking about a drug being released from a big-pharma company that may or may not be withholding certain findings from their own funded studies just to get it to market. We're talking about a vaccine that will be released worldwide, and that will get a ton of scrutiny from leading scientists and medical professionals before being released.

I don't know what you are not getting about the fact that in order to test potential long term complications you need long term trials and only time can control that. All these things like funding, resources, scrutiny and blah, blah, blah don't fast forward time unless somebody stumbles on time travel in the process. Governments the world over have already put economy before public safety and continue to do so every day so why stop with a vaccine? One unsubstantiated article was all it took for a few world leaders to start pushing medication that could be dangerous and it lead to some deaths. And nonsense we have seen like shooting up hand sanitizer? That was tide pod challenge levels of stupidity but that was at least dumb kids trying to get noticed on social media and not grown men endorsing it.

China are about to skip the most important phase of testing vaccine safety and go straight to testing on large groups with their military getting go be guinea pigs so they are very much trying to rush it since they think they can wipe their hands clean of what they caused if they get a vaccine out first.

So yes if we see a vaccine even in the next year it will very much be that they are willing to risk it. If we don't see one for a few years there would still be risks since you can't test 10 year side effects or anything like that but at least it would have gone through some longer term trials. Anything before that? Hell no.

And yeah we are not talking something big pharma want to profit off of......

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bi...-it-2020-06-24

[Lee A Stewart]

Gilead's $2,340 price for coronavirus drug draws criticism

The maker of a drug shown to shorten recovery time for severely ill COVID-19 patients says it will charge $2,340 for a typical treatment course for people covered by government health programs in the United States and other developed countries.

Gilead Sciences announced the price Monday for remdesivir, and said the price would be $3,120 for patients with private insurance. The amount that patients pay out of pocket depends on insurance, income and other factors.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...h-15373236.php