INCEPTION Review Thread (SPOILERS!!)

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

Right.

[Show spoiler]They leveled back up by laying on the tracks together - but only once. They wake in the apartment immediately following the train incident, but Cobb levels up no further. Mal levels up when she kills herself, hoping to convince Cobb to do the same, but he is certain it's already real, when it isn't.

I know that I said I was stopping, but it's bugging me! THIS DAMN FILM WILL NEVER END IN MY MIND!!!

[Show spoiler]If that was the case, then Mal could have easily come back for him over and over again by simply re-initiating the dream share. As is, the only other times we see her is when she is malicious towards others in the dreamshare. She acts like a projection protecting Cobb from intruders. Also, it is very hard to believe that everyone on his team is just projections. Projections don't get that involved unless the dreamer is being invaded... in which case they would have always turned on Mal violently.

[Mike53421]

Originally Posted by tommyboy81

Maybe an editing error. Guessing there was a scene cut out. and they didn't re-shoot.

Or he had some really awesome tinted windows. lol

True.

[Show spoiler]The tinted windows thing, it was shown from the landscape. So they showed the overall view of France (dark) then it wasn't in the next scene on the roof.

[Darkhawk9587]

Dang, these two theories are very complex, but both sides have valid arguments. I have no idea which to believe now. Guess I'll have to go rewatch the film. And this is why it's easily one of my top five movies of all time. It really makes you think.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Darkhawk9587

Dang, these two theories are very complex, but both sides have valid arguments. I have no idea which to believe now. Guess I'll have to go rewatch the film. And this is why it's easily one of my top five movies of all time. It really makes you think.

the movie is open to interpretation and left with an ambiguous ending.

everyone can be right or wrong

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by mikejet

[Show spoiler]the only reason limbo looked like the world that mol and cobb created then would be because it's an uncontrolled dreamspace and shared between the 4 users any of their dreams could be part of that limbo.

do you concur?

[Show spoiler]Cobb is the only architect. Ariadne is one of his creations. Every environment is directly his creation (or indirectly as a creation of his creation) This is why it is HIS security system that activates (the train rushing through the intial level, etc) as opposed to Fischer's

[tommyboy81]

Originally Posted by Mike53421

True.

[Show spoiler]The tinted windows thing, it was shown from the landscape. So they showed the overall view of France (dark) then it wasn't in the next scene on the roof.

or it was already early in the morning. Maybe 5 in the morning and on the roof at 6 or 7?


Little thing here but

[Show spoiler] was it me or did the first scene where they were in Saitos dream and Cobb and Mal were in a room. Did the windows look like the Legendary Studios symbol? I swear was. I know it's not important but thought it was cool.

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

I know that I said I was stopping, but it's bugging me! THIS DAMN FILM WILL NEVER END IN MY MIND!!!

[Show spoiler]If that was the case, then Mal could have easily come back for him over and over again by simply re-initiating the dream share. As is, the only other times we see her is when she is malicious towards others in the dreamshare. She acts like a projection protecting Cobb from intruders. Also, it is very hard to believe that everyone on his team is just projections. Projections don't get that involved unless the dreamer is being invaded... in which case they would have always turned on Mal violently.

[Show spoiler]She might have come back, but we don't know how many levels deep they were, save for at least 3. If she rose by suiciding the second time, she'd have to rise at least once more to be out. At that point Cobb is merely asleep to her. Sure, she could go back in, but if he's levels down it's hard to say if she could find him. Further, waiting mere minutes at the top could extend his timeline dramatically. It's not unreasonable to think that he's eventually going to simply wake up and realize that she was right and he was wrong.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

[Show spoiler]Cobb is the only architect. Ariadne is one of his creations. Every environment is directly his creation (or indirectly as a creation of his creation) This is why it is HIS security system that activates (the train rushing through the intial level, etc) as opposed to Fischer's

[Show spoiler]so his subconscious is at war with itself?

[Darkhawk9587]

Originally Posted by mikejet

the movie is open to interpretation and left with an ambiguous ending.

everyone can be right or wrong

Then I retract my earlier statement on the ending. All of this makes that make more sense. Looks like I'll be heading back to the theaters this weekend to really absorb the film and figure it out as best I can.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

[Show spoiler]Cobb is the only architect. Ariadne is one of his creations. Every environment is directly his creation (or indirectly as a creation of his creation) This is why it is HIS security system that activates (the train rushing through the intial level, etc) as opposed to Fischer's

But,

[Show spoiler]HIS security system has no reason to activate at that point if they are all just his own projections. It's part of his guilt protruding into his dreaming experience.

[mikejet]

New theory:

[Show spoiler]what if the Mol we see over and over again is real? What if the entire movie is her attempt to try an Inception on him?

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by tommyboy81

or it was already early in the morning. Maybe 5 in the morning and on the roof at 6 or 7?


Little thing here but

[Show spoiler] was it me or did the first scene where they were in Saitos dream and Cobb and Mal were in a room. Did the windows look like the Legendary Studios symbol? I swear was. I know it's not important but thought it was cool.

I saw this too.

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by mikejet

New theory:

[Show spoiler]what if the Mol we see over and over again is real? What if the entire movie is her attempt to try an Inception on him?

[Show spoiler]I think this is possible "you've always known how to find me". There are definitely versions of her that are his memory though.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by mikejet

New theory:

[Show spoiler]what if the Mol we see over and over again is real? What if the entire movie is her attempt to try an Inception on him?

That wouldn't make sense.

[Show spoiler]Mal is never attacked by the other projections. By the theory that supports this notion, Arthur and all of the guests at Saito's party would attack her in the first mission of the film. Ariadne would attack Mal on several occasions. Also, Mal would be attacked by the mob instead of Ariadne when Ariadne starts changing things too noticeably during her training. These facts lead me to believe that the team are not projections. They don't behave like projections should. They all have free will.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

That wouldn't make sense.

[Show spoiler]Mal is never attacked by the other projections. By the theory that supports this notion, Arthur and all of the guests at Saito's party would attack her in the first mission of the film. Ariadne would attack Mal on several occasions. Also, Mal would be attacked by the mob instead of Ariadne when Ariadne starts changing things too noticeably during her training. These facts lead me to believe that the team are not projections. They don't behave like projections should. They all have free will.

[Show spoiler]but in the 2nd level the projection of Peter Browning acts out the way they wanted to make him act out. they fooled him with the forgery in the first level then in the 2nd they no longer need to do anythnig because his subconscious has drawn those conclusions for Peter to act the way he did.

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

[Show spoiler]....As for your first question? I do believe that you hit on what the film was ACTUALLY about. I'm not sure if you have it fully realized yet though. Most people think that the film is all about Cobb's journey to get home to his children. And that's why everyone gets hung up on the spinning top at the end. However, I believe that the film is actually about Cobb's journey towards finally letting go of his guilt FOR PLANTING THE IDEA IN HIS WIFE! He, after all, did not kill her. And that is why I believe that Nolan didn't let us know what happened to the spinning top. IT DOESN'T MATTER. The story wasn't about him getting home to his children.Whether the man is in the real world or the in limbo is inconsequential. That has nothing to do with the psychological trauma that he had to overcome. He can now be happy in either case .....

Originally Posted by Darkhawk9587

Dang, these two theories are very complex, but both sides have valid arguments. I have no idea which to believe now. Guess I'll have to go rewatch the film. And this is why it's easily one of my top five movies of all time. It really makes you think.

What I put in bold in the best answer I think (See Petra's quote). My dad went to the midnight showing as well and we talked the next day.

[Show spoiler]This is not a film about a man who wants to get back to his kids as much as it is about a man who needs to overcome guilt and letting go of the past. It is a moral lesson for all of us. We can not progress in life if we dwell to much on the past and if we let it hold us back. Yes, we all make mistakes in life, but we have to forgive ourselves and move on. In that regard, I do not think there is a right or wrong answer to end of the movie. Is he awake or is h dreaming?

It is irrelevant to the meaning that Nolan was portraying. A dream or not, he conquered his past, overcame his guilt, forgave himself, and is now ready to move on with life. If you look at the film this way, there is no right or wrong answer. That would only come into play if a sequel was made, which i doubt Nolan would do.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by mikejet

[Show spoiler]but in the 2nd level the projection of Peter Browning acts out the way they wanted to make him act out. they fooled him with the forgery in the first level then in the 2nd they no longer need to do anythnig because his subconscious has drawn those conclusions for Peter to act the way he did.

[Show spoiler]Ok, but it was tough enough for the whole team to do that effectively for a single projection. I highly doubt that if Mal were trying to incept Cobb that she'd be able to manipulate 6 projections by herself.

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

[Show spoiler]Ok, but it was tough enough for the whole team to do that effectively for a single projection. I highly doubt that if Mal were trying to incept Cobb that she'd be able to manipulate 6 projections by herself.

Possibly true. I think it's a level of complication that's unnecessary to the story

[Show spoiler]I do think that Cobb has the capacity to do so as he's had decades of training in how to manipulate his dream state.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

Possibly true. I think it's a level of complication that's unnecessary to the story

[Show spoiler]I do think that Cobb has the capacity to do so as he's had decades of training in how to manipulate his dream state.

[Show spoiler]that multilevel prison he built was disturbing.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

Possibly true. I think it's a level of complication that's unnecessary to the story

[Show spoiler]I do think that Cobb has the capacity to do so as he's had decades of training in how to manipulate his dream state.

The way that you are trying to explain it just makes it seem far more complicated than any filmmaker would ever what his project ot be. Nolan is a man who likes to have something of substance to his projects. Your interpretation makes his efforts completely useless. Saying that the film

[Show spoiler]is all just one big convoluted dream with only 1 real person in it

is calling Nolan the ultimate hack director.