INCEPTION Review Thread (SPOILERS!!)

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Even Nolan in the last issue of Wired said that while it's open to interpretation, that's the wrong interpretation.

Glad he cleared it up, whether people will believe him when he said that is another story entirely. Didn't believe it was all a dream anyway.

[Deserana_12]

Originally Posted by Goonie_Status

The whole movie from beginning to end was a dream, Cobb is in a dream crated by micheal caine, he has been there so long he doesn't know whats real and what is not. The whole movie is basically a projection of what cobb thinks is real. Pretty evident hat caine is the architect. As evidence to his grin right at the end of the movie, and the constant hints of people telling cobb to WAKE up during the coarse of the movie.

The girl was sent in by caine to retrieve CObb from the endless dream, which she failed to do. So caine put cobb into a dream where he knew he would be happy with his kids.

took me several times to realize it, but i finally did!

But if its all in Cobbs head how do you explain the scenes in "reality" that don't feature Cobb. Such as when Arthur is showing Ariadne paradoxical architecture and when Browning is talking to Fischer with Eames watching.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Deserana_12

But if its all in Cobbs head how do you explain the scenes in "reality" that don't feature Cobb. Such as when Arthur is showing Ariadne paradoxical architecture and when Browning is talking to Fischer with Eames watching.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/4073637-post2681.html
Besides someone as talented as Cobb would've realized he was trapped inside a dream and eventually broken himself out. Besides, how would he create projections of people he had never met like Fischer, Saito and Ariadne?

[vikingsmudge43]

My fave of the year... Jaw dropping on an IMAX screen....!!!!

[TelkEvolon]

4 Stars. If it appealed a little less to the masses, it would of been amazing.

Great movie, not as great as people have been saying, but still top stuff. Second best movie of 2010.

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[Josh]

I watched Inception this past weekend, and after thinking about it, I believed that the entire movie was a dream. There are too many leads pointing to that direction. However, after reading the interview Nolan had with Wired, he said one thing that made me rethink the ending:

Originally Posted by Nolan

For me, a key thing is what Cobb says about how positive emotion trumps negative emotion every time.

To me, this makes the suggestion that it is all a dream, but, the positive emotion of seeing his children wakes him from the dream. That it was the negative emotion of losing his wife that held him in the dream state. So, the end was "reality", but only after Cobb woke up. That is why his dad walked in the room and smiled, because the dream that he had put together to wake up Cobb worked, and he was back.

The top is a red herring. In the beginning of the movie, I remember Cobb puts a gun to his head and spins the top. When it falls, he pulls the gun down. Now, we know that the way to get out of a dream is to die in the dream. Cobb wouldn't commit suicide - he's trying to see his children again. He would only shoot himself if he was in a dream, and so, the top falls in the dream state - it stays up in reality.

This is further reinforced when they show Mal put the top in her safe. The top is laying on its side. Cobb then says he changed it to convince her she was dreaming - he spins the top and closes the door. The top now does the same thing in both reality and in the dream - so it no longer works for Mal and she is further lost to the dream.

There are a couple of things that confused me, however. Why is the "train" scene happening when they are young, rather than old? Cobb said he they grew old together in limbo, but they killed themselve - to get back to reality - at a young age. Was thing just Cobb's mind failing him?

Also, what is the importance of the levels of Cobb's sub-conscious. I didn't see a connection to that story line beyond just showing Cobb had issues.

[Blu-Benny]

Holy crap josh……..now u’ve made me want to go back and watch this movie even more!!!

[menaceuk]

I have a question about this film.

How did Cobb and saito get back ? Having the Gun in the room with them implies they used that but it was said they couldn't do that because they were so heavily sedated and they would end up in Limbo.

Or is it the fact they were already in Limbo means they could just Kill themselves and get back. That way seems a little convenient to me though.

[Q?]

I was wondering about that as well, maybe he's still dreaming...

[Josh]

Originally Posted by menaceuk

I have a question about this film.

How did Cobb and saito get back ? Having the Gun in the room with them implies they used that but it was said they couldn't do that because they were so heavily sedated and they would end up in Limbo.

Or is it the fact they were already in Limbo means they could just Kill themselves and get back. That way seems a little convenient to me though.

That scene is another nod to it all being a dream. Check out this sequence:

1) Saito dies and goes into limbo.
2) Cobb and Ariadne go to limbo together and wash up on shore.
3) They find Mal
4) Ariadne jumps out the window for her "kick" and goes back
5) Cobb says he'll find Saito
6) Cobb washes up on shore and is greeted by an armed guard
7) Cobb meets old Saito

#6 seems to indicate that there is a step lower than limbo. Remember, when they met Mal, that was supposed to be limbo. So when he washes up on shore, he is somewhere else. Somewhere lower than limbo. The rules of dreaming are broken - and we know that oddities are all apart of (drum roll) dreaming! Cobb is in a dream, and thus the "rules" can be broken in order to continue the story. Otherwise, he wouldn't have to wash up in Saito's world - he was already there.

[drago3451]

Originally Posted by menaceuk

I have a question about this film.

How did Cobb and saito get back ? Having the Gun in the room with them implies they used that but it was said they couldn't do that because they were so heavily sedated and they would end up in Limbo.

Or is it the fact they were already in Limbo means they could just Kill themselves and get back. That way seems a little convenient to me though.

That was mentioned during the first level of sedation when they just entered the dream state. When Cobb and Saito meet in the room with the gun everyone else had been awoken by, “the kick” and the sedative would have worn off enough to allow the suicide awakening…… My 2 cents…

[menaceuk]

Originally Posted by Josh

That scene is another nod to it all being a dream. Check out this sequence:

1) Saito dies and goes into limbo.
2) Cobb and Ariadne go to limbo together and wash up on shore.
3) They find Mal
4) Ariadne jumps out the window for her "kick" and goes back
5) Cobb says he'll find Saito
6) Cobb washes up on shore and is greeted by an armed guard
7) Cobb meets old Saito

#6 seems to indicate that there is a step lower than limbo. Remember, when they met Mal, that was supposed to be limbo. So when he washes up on shore, he is somewhere else. Somewhere lower than limbo. The rules of dreaming are broken - and we know that oddities are all apart of (drum roll) dreaming! Cobb is in a dream, and thus the "rules" can be broken in order to continue the story. Otherwise, he wouldn't have to wash up in Saito's world - he was already there.

But Cobb was an Architect, Is it possible he simply changed things and ended up down there ? maybe went wrong since he hasn't done it in a while.


I see your point though and that sequence is rather weird.If i remember correct we don't actually see any more of that world apart from the Beach scene and Saito's house right ? as seeing the same crumbling city would debunk that theory.

[menaceuk]

Originally Posted by drago3451

That was mentioned during the first level of sedation when they just entered the dream state. When Cobb and Saito meet in the room with the gun everyone else had been awoken by, “the kick” and the sedative would have worn off enough to allow the suicide awakening…… My 2 cents…

So why go too all the trouble of the kick events if waiting another couple of minutes, Which it would have been in real world time could have made it so much simpler ?

Once again to me that seems a little too convenient.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by menaceuk

But Cobb was an Architect, Is it possible he simply changed things and ended up down there ? maybe went wrong since he hasn't done it in a while.


I see your point though and that sequence is rather weird.If i remember correct we don't actually see any more of that world apart from the Beach scene and Saito's house right ? as seeing the same crumbling city would debunk that theory.

He (and Mal) was the architect of their piece of limbo - which appeared to be all their's since no one else was ever seen in their world. He could change the physical appearance of limbo, but he couldn't change the sequence of the dream. In other words, if he could change that, Cobb and Mal could have left at any point - but Cobb says they were stuck there for decades. The sequence was pre-determined, which is how Cobb knew that beyond the third dream sequence, it was only limbo. Its unlikely that he could have figured out another solution in the matter of minutes (hours) when he had already been there for decades previously.

[drago3451]

Originally Posted by menaceuk

So why go too all the trouble of the kick events if waiting another couple of minutes, Which it would have been in real world time could have made it so much simpler ?

Once again to me that seems a little too convenient.

They still feel pain in the dream world so maybe it is an extremely awful way to get out of the dream state. For Saito and Cobb as well as Mal and Cobb suicide/death was the only way out of limbo.

[menaceuk]

Originally Posted by Josh

He (and Mal) was the architect of their piece of limbo - which appeared to be all their's since no one else was ever seen in their world. He could change the physical appearance of limbo, but he couldn't change the sequence of the dream. In other words, if he could change that, Cobb and Mal could have left at any point - but Cobb says they were stuck there for decades. The sequence was pre-determined, which is how Cobb knew that beyond the third dream sequence, it was only limbo. Its unlikely that he could have figured out another solution in the matter of minutes (hours) when he had already been there for decades previously.

I am Curious though, Is Limbo a singular place or does everybody have a limbo and Killing yourself in your Limbo transfers you to the next Mind in Limbo ?


Maybe he Jumped from the Building and Killed himself to get in to Saito's Dream/Limbo .


Or maybe i am simply reaching.

Movie analysis and Interpretation isn't something i am terribly good at.Sure that is obvious

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by menaceuk

I am Curious though, Is Limbo a singular place or does everybody have a limbo and Killing yourself in your Limbo transfers you to the next Mind in Limbo ?

Maybe he Jumped from the Building and Killed himself to get in to Saito's Dream/Limbo .


Or maybe i am simply reaching.

Movie analysis and Interpretation isn't something i am terribly good at.Sure that is obvious

It's openly said that there is nothing in Limbo except what person left down their who's sharing the dream, so Limbo is the same for anyone who's in the same dream.

[menaceuk]

Originally Posted by Foggy

It's openly said that there is nothing in Limbo except what person left down their who's sharing the dream, so Limbo is the same for anyone who's in the same dream.

Makes sense.

I really need to watch this movie again.

[drago3451]

Originally Posted by menaceuk

I am Curious though, Is Limbo a singular place or does everybody have a limbo and Killing yourself in your Limbo transfers you to the next Mind in Limbo ?


Maybe he Jumped from the Building and Killed himself to get in to Saito's Dream/Limbo .


Or maybe i am simply reaching.

Movie analysis and Interpretation isn't something i am terribly good at.Sure that is obvious

At the beginning of the 1st level they stated that if they died they would go to Cobb’s limbo because he is the only one to have ever gone. I believe that Saito was in Cobbs limbo when he died and just created his own area within Cobbs limbo. Since Cobb was already back in his limbo to confront Mal he simply made his way over to Saito’s location within his own world. Saito had been in limbo for a longer period of time, hence his aging. Cobb had not aged because he had just arrived to confront Mal but was obviously in a poor state from his travel over to Saito….