INCEPTION Review Thread (SPOILERS!!)

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Buddy Christ

Foggy, Nice review but I did not see any ambiguity at the end. I would say it was quite clear what the outcome was he just made you wait to see it. But YOU SAW IT.

well I came out and I thought it was straight forward that he

[Show spoiler]was in a dream

but everyone was like,

[Show spoiler]oh it looked like it was going to tumble over

Any I have a question,

[Show spoiler]was it that he was in a dream all along, (I really hope not)

because I don't want that ending!

[MCT]

he had to have been, since the closing shot is

[Show spoiler] the top spinning endlessly, signifying he has yet to wake from his dream

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Source - Twitter
I would argue Ebert usually knows what he's talking about.

There are a few exceptions....

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by Foggy

well I came out and I thought it was straight forward that he

[Show spoiler]was in a dream

but everyone was like,

[Show spoiler]oh it looked like it was going to tumble over

Any way I have a question,

[Show spoiler]was it that he was in a dream all along, (I really hope not)

because I don't want that ending!

[Show spoiler]When the top is spinning in the dreams it NEVER loses torque meaning it is straight up the whole time. The end to me was just for effect and suspense. Another sign it was not a dream is in his dreams he can not and WILL not see his children's faces. Only one time in the movie, the end, can you see him with his dad and children at the same time. When you see it the second time you will believe that it is not a dream and there is closure.

[Show spoiler]No, if he was in a dream then upon waking from the plane would have put him down to a total of five levels!

Originally Posted by MCT

he had to have been, since the closing shot is

[Show spoiler] the top spinning endlessly, signifying he has yet to wake from his dream

[Show spoiler] No the top begins to slow down a second before it goes to black!!!

[Jesse757x]

Just got back from seeing it and I really want to see it again.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Buddy Christ

[Show spoiler] No the top begins to slow down a second before it goes to black!!!

Saying that, it spins for a very long time

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by Foggy

[Show spoiler]Saying that, it spins for a very long time

[Show spoiler]If you call five seconds long

[MCT]

clearly, Nolan wanted us to draw our own conclusions. Kinda like the "is the glass half empty or is it half full" conundrum. It ends how you want it to end.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Buddy Christ

[Show spoiler]If you call five seconds long

[Show spoiler]He starts spinning it for at least for a min, also it wasn't that he couldn't see his kids faces, it was that he would lose his grasp on reality if he saw his kids, not that he wasn't able to.

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by MCT

clearly, Nolan wanted us to draw our own conclusions. Kinda like the "is the glass half empty or is it half full" conundrum. It ends how you want it to end.

How can you say "Clearly" that he wants us to draw our own conclusions?

[Show spoiler] the top clearly starts to lose velocity!

[sheeraz]

I thought it was somewhere between decent and average. Nice to see so many people here enjoyed it though.

Also, at the IMAX screening here in Austin, a person had a seizure in the middle of the movie and had to be carried away. Really horrifying. Did anyone else witness this?

[cajmoyper]

This is easily one of the most creative screenplays I've ever watched. Does that mean it was good? I have yet to decide. I hate to say this but I think a second viewing will make up my mind. I hate saying that because it rarely works out the film in question's advantage.

I've also never had to work so hard to understand a film's plot. Anybody who says they fully understand every nuance of and the plot itself after just one viewing is fooling themselves. My head started to hurt at one point in the movie. Not this one, but

[Show spoiler]did Cobb and wife age in limbo or not? How did they get out by killing their young selves even though at one point, in the mind they showed the two of them holding old hands? With the train? He had to convince her to do it? They created the train? Why couldn't he create a gun? And wouldn't he have to do it in unison with a level up kick?

Even I don't understand my question...

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Buddy Christ

How can you say "Clearly" that he wants us to draw our own conclusions?

[Show spoiler] the top clearly starts to lose velocity!

If he wanted to show us clearly,

[Show spoiler]he would of shown it falling to the side and stopping

[tommyboy81]

Like I said earlier

[Show spoiler] His reality could have been a dream the whole time. Yes he saw his kids at the end but but if you notice in Limbo the kids were turning around to see him and he turned away. He wanted to see there faces when he got back to reality. He's so lost in his dreams he can't tell dreams from reality. He believes he's back because he's on the plane.

[Lopan]

I wanna see this so badly right now but I can't decide if I should see it before or after the Beer Fest I'm headed to.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

[Show spoiler]did Cobb and wife age in limbo or not? How did they get out by killing their young selves even though at one point, in the mind they showed the two of them holding old hands? With the train? He had to convince her to do it? They created the train? Why couldn't he create a gun? And wouldn't he have to do it in unison with a level up kick?

Even I don't understand my question...

Here is the answers to all the questions

[Show spoiler]Yes

They died old, it was in her mind that she thought they were young

He implanted the idea of leaving, that's why he knew Inception was possible

Yes, they created the whole world within their subconsious

If he created a gun then they wouldn't have the awesome scene with the train going though the middle of town

Not quite certain about the final question, but I'm guessing there death brought them back, like when Ken Wannabe shot himself at the end to bring him back, he needed to remember he had a life.

Plus saying you don't like a movie because it made you think, isn't really a well built complaint

[DRS]

Movie was phenomenal

However, and this is more aimed at all the people who hyped the movie, as well as critics...

reports of Inception being a too smart for americans thriller, that it was so intelligent that it would turn off people...

total bullshit

It was high concept for sure, but Nolan made sure the movie had just the right amount of exposition in order to make it an easy to follow film. An

[Show spoiler] ambiguous ending

does not equal a complicated film

Other than that, amazing action, amazing performances, great concept. Great movie.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Lopan

I wanna see this so badly right now but I can't decide if I should see it before or after the Beer Fest I'm headed to.

Defiantly before, I don't think the drunken mind can comprehend this movie without melting

[tommyboy81]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

This is easily one of the most creative screenplays I've ever watched. Does that mean it was good? I have yet to decide. I hate to say this but I think a second viewing will make up my mind. I hate saying that because it rarely works out the film in question's advantage.

I've also never had to work so hard to understand a film's plot. Anybody who says they fully understand every nuance of and the plot itself after just one viewing is fooling themselves. My head started to hurt at one point in the movie. Not this one, but

[Show spoiler]did Cobb and wife age in limbo or not? How did they get out by killing their young selves even though at one point, in the mind they showed the two of them holding old hands? With the train? He had to convince her to do it? They created the train? Why couldn't he create a gun? And wouldn't he have to do it in unison with a level up kick?

Even I don't understand my question...

[Show spoiler] I believe they died in Limbo of growing to old? Then he had them die by train to get out of the 2nd dream level. I think it was the 2nd because they created a dream within a dream which means 2 levels. But how did they die in the 1st level.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

This is easily one of the most creative screenplays I've ever watched. Does that mean it was good? I have yet to decide. I hate to say this but I think a second viewing will make up my mind. I hate saying that because it rarely works out the film in question's advantage.

I've also never had to work so hard to understand a film's plot. Anybody who says they fully understand every nuance of and the plot itself after just one viewing is fooling themselves. My head started to hurt at one point in the movie. Not this one, but

[Show spoiler]did Cobb and wife age in limbo or not? How did they get out by killing their young selves even though at one point, in the mind they showed the two of them holding old hands? With the train? He had to convince her to do it? They created the train? Why couldn't he create a gun? And wouldn't he have to do it in unison with a level up kick?

Even I don't understand my question...

You really weren't paying attention properly if you have no answer to all of those questions.

[Show spoiler]
#1. They grew old in limbo. Cobb says they experienced 50 years while in limbo (mere hours in real time when in a deep enough state). His memories of them together, knowing that it was a dream reality, was that of the youthful souls that remained in the real world when, in HER perception, they were growing old. Believing her limbo to be her actual reality would force her mind to accept and perceive it as real linear time.

#2. Cobb had to convince her that her limbo reality wasn't real. Thus, the inception. However, Cobb wasn't careful enough to isolate his incepted idea to ONLY the limbo reality. His planted idea grew to the point that she would believe that EVERY reality was not the real one.

#3. The train... I can only surmise that it was a certain way to have both of them killed at practically the same moment without the fear of the other chickening out. A gun scenario would not have worked. Each would have to have a gun and do the deed simultaneously. And Cobb couldn't trust her to pull the trigger at the same time since she had previously become so attached to this reality. He couldn't kill her first with the gun and then himself. She would have resented him for that action. Plus, being that deep, she would have had to accept her own choice or risk being lost deeper in limbo. Their heads on a railway track (which they did create themselves) was a surefire way to ensure quick and simultaneous identical execution.

#4. He didn't have to convince her to do it. He planted the idea in her head so that she would convince herself to do it. That's the most beautifully elegant aspect of the whole film. Not to mention that the entire plot of the film is centred around this very idea.

#5. In this case, a level up kick didn't seem feasible or possible. I don't recall mention of anyone else being involved with the experiment that sent them into the depths of 3rd level dreaming. They would have had to rely on their own means of jumping between levels.

I believe that a 2nd viewing when you are more alert may be in order.