4K Movies Releases

[Teazle]

Thanks for the replies.

If the Robocop source format was Arriraw 2.8K

(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234721/...ef_=tt_dt_spec)

which is 2880 x 1620 16:9

(http://www.arri.com/camera/digital_c..._xt_xr_module/)

& assuming letterboxed 2.35:1, in the Imax theatre I saw native 2880 x 1226 AT BEST, upscaled to the 4K which I assume is the res. of the Imax projector. (At worst it was the 2K version upscaled to 4K.)

I guess that's why I thought the movie looked kinda low-res. It is kinda low-res.

[Richard Paul]

Robocop was a 2K Digital Intermediate which can be seen on the IMDb page. The Digital Intermediate is the maximum resolution for post-processing and special effects so that is usually the limiting factor for a movie. 2K is still the standard resolution for most movies.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Animal news (dinosaur-style) for those inclined toward feature motion picture acquisition on celluloid - https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow

OMG!!!! One of my favorite movies I saw in the theater when a kid back in 93 with my best friend, father and sister(part 2 was with my sister and brother, part 3 with the whole family), AND made me want to get into CG animation, graphic design etc. is being filmed on 35mm AND 65mm?????

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And the penny drops. 2K DI's are still the main 'finish' of choice for movies these days, unless it happens to be a Sony flick. Heck, Avengers cost $220m and it wasn't even shot on a 4K camera. (Though the Alexa does deliver lovely images regardless, which didn't trouble Sony when they uprezzed their Alexa footage for Skyfall's 4K DI.)

Indeed. The only digital camera I like.

Film-like, organic look

http://www.panavision.com/products/arri-alexa

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by saprano

Indeed. The only digital camera I like.



http://www.panavision.com/products/arri-alexa

I like the Alexa too. What other big movies were shot on the Alexa?

The only other digital camera I can think of that looks good to me is the Sony F65 (Oblivion). It looked tremendous in 2K, I can only imagine how good it will look with a 4K DI.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Nuf said. Gotta go see how my wild four-legged friends have been doing in my absence. If they’re around, I’ll try to get a pic with my old cheapo pocket camera since I don’t see no dog pics from Steed.

P.S.
To people who PMed me, excuse the non replies for now but I’m in a rush as its burnin daylight.

Bit of a hectic couple of weeks Penton Man, but I will try to dig out those pics. Also pics of my Wembley adventure.

[Penton-Man]

From one of the red shark bloggers “4K is arriving at almost the perfect time”….http://www.redsharknews.com/technolo...re-s-the-proof

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Bit of a hectic couple of weeks Penton Man, but I will try to dig out those pics. Also pics of my Wembley adventure.

We like pics , gifs and Youtube videos .

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Google occasionally mentions that it is going to add a 10-bit profile to VP9 but they don't seem to be in much of a hurry. As for HEVC the new profiles should be completed at the next HEVC meeting though things are likely to get messy when it comes to the screen content coding tools....

I heard the Tech lead for Google’s transcoding group speak at the retreat. See the left column on p.11 in the linked pdf… http://www.mee.tcd.ie/~corrigad/5c1/..._hevc_2014.pdf as to what’s on their agenda.

To new readers, HEVC aims higher with many things, e.g. profiles, range extensions, scalable extensions, see the trifecta summary report given last month with current developments starting on about p.10 here….http://itg32.hhi.de/docs/ITG32_RWTH_14_1_268.pdf < cursory WCG and HDR notes on p.28.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I like the Alexa too. What other big movies were shot on the Alexa?...

I like your new Wolf avatar . Arri commercial break -
http://nofilmschool.com/2014/01/whic...films-of-2014/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

...Penton Man, but I will try to dig out those pics. Also pics of my Wembley adventure.

Please do. They don’t have to be great quality, for example while we were in the Palm Springs area last week our friends dug up this (and another) old photo (generation loss resolution) of our little fella they’d taken years ago on an old cellphone (which they’d since discarded), printed the photo out on simple paper on a printer/copy/fax machine they have in their home office and just tossed it in the drawer forgetting all about giving it to us.

Despite the pixilated quality, it was a nice gift of remembrance for us.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...which didn't trouble Sony when they uprezzed their Alexa footage for Skyfall's 4K DI

The actual uprezzing was done by Deluxe’s joint collaborative EFILM/Company3 using Davinci Resolve, if memory serves.

Let us know if you attend the Expo in London which I gave you a heads-up about on the last page.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I like your new Wolf avatar . Arri commercial break -
http://nofilmschool.com/2014/01/whic...films-of-2014/

Thanks for the link and for the compliment. I love wolves!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I love wolves!

Then you should enjoy some of the Nature shows about wolves on PBS, the latest being the Coywolf.

[Teazle]

All this is just SO pathetic.

The cameras can shoot 5K but sometimes they don’t bother capturing more than a gimpish “2.8K” in Arriraw format. Then they matte 25% of the picture to make a 2.35:1 ratio. Maybe they don't bother to do effects at > 2K. In any case they downscale everything to 2K for most (possibly all) theatres (title-by-title basis).

If you can’t produce 4K on a $100M budget, how much do you need?

Or is it that there aren’t enough 4K screens to justify the expense? So how long do we have to wait before enough theatres instal 4K projectors? Ten years? Fifteen?

Also, for those rare movies that are actually presented in 4K, Penton says that they typically run bitrates so low that the picture looks “soft”. I.e. somewhat bitstarved.

Studios, if you need someone to complain at you and tell you how pathetic you are wrt your 4K efforts, gimme a shout and I’ll tell you my rates.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Teazle

So how long do we have to wait before enough theatres instal 4K projectors? Ten years? Fifteen?

I would say that in about 4-5 years you’ll see significantly more Hollywood motion pictures finished in 4K than there are now.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Also, for those rare movies that are actually presented in 4K, Penton says that they typically run bitrates so low that the picture looks “soft”. I.e. somewhat bitstarved.

Well, I don’t think I said that exactly but yes, you do essentially have a right to be concerned. I think I said that there appears to be a recent trend in the DCP file sizes for the feature film getting smaller with some 4K motion pictures which, yes, is worrisome because the imagery could be getting subtly softer on the bigger D-Cinema screens without the audience being aware of the *bit rate related dilution*. I wouldn’t say it’s typical yet but, there are individual examples based on DCP file sizes hovering around the 100GB mark which should raise a red flag.

On the other hand, for instance, I see no problem with the file size of the recent 4K DCP release of On the Waterfront - http://www.cinemark.com/on-the-waterfront-(1954)

With its run time of less than 2hr. and a file size of 193GB for an image format of 3996 x 2160 (flat).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Studios, if you need someone to complain at you and tell you how pathetic you are wrt your 4K efforts, gimme a shout and I’ll tell you my rates.

As long as you don’t charge a hidden mustache fee….I say go for it.

[stevo4264]

Originally Posted by Teazle

All this is just SO pathetic.

The cameras can shoot 5K but sometimes they don’t bother capturing more than a gimpish “2.8K” in Arriraw format. Then they matte 25% of the picture to make a 2.35:1 ratio. Maybe they don't bother to do effects at > 2K. In any case they downscale everything to 2K for most (possibly all) theatres (title-by-title basis).

If you can’t produce 4K on a $100M budget, how much do you need?

Or is it that there aren’t enough 4K screens to justify the expense? So how long do we have to wait before enough theatres instal 4K projectors? Ten years? Fifteen?

Also, for those rare movies that are actually presented in 4K, Penton says that they typically run bitrates so low that the picture looks “soft”. I.e. somewhat bitstarved.

Studios, if you need someone to complain at you and tell you how pathetic you are wrt your 4K efforts, gimme a shout and I’ll tell you my rates.

Does anyone here know just exactly or a estimate just what the difference it would cost to shoot in 4K as opposed to 2K ?, I guess computer graphics would add considerably for a big production?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Does anyone here know just exactly or a estimate just what the difference it would cost to shoot in 4K as opposed to 2K ?

Steveo, they do.
See 2nd paragraph here…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ly#post8764706