4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well to be more precise in this case, England. Mike, you live in England, right? Since that being the case, I was asking if you knew of one project which boasted an end-to-end production containing all imagery in the 4K realm. It’s just that I assumed you would be more familiar with what’s going on in your own country rather than any other country in the world, but perhaps no AV *journalists* ever did a write-up on that particular production , I don’t know, as I haven’t 'google' checked, but ratehr heard about it thru personal conversations/communications.

Geoff, do you know what I’m referring to? Think David Attenborough.

This is what I’m talkin about in regards to a "4K end-to-end production" (is the Natural History Museum not in the Chelsea area?)……

https://vimeo.com/92140134

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

your opinion on how the martian was rebuilt for 4k using the raw files?

ray0414, I received an email saying that you’re claiming (on another forum) that ‘the raw files from The Martian are actually 6k”,.....apparently you read the hyperlinks to a reply to Kris (Deering) and viewed the Ender’s vimeo clip,

but may have missed the Note at the very end of this post….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post11753639 (it wasn’t shot in full 6K).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

I don't know what the nit level of my Vizio E-series is, but with the backlight at 60%, I think if the projector at my folks home on their 120 inch screen was that bright, I'd need sunglasses.

Trivial point being, the bigger the screen, the rougher on the eyes brightness gets, which is why there's somewhat of a happy marriage between 100 nits and a theatrical presentation.

Good point and not trivial.

It deserves mention that larger screens can be less bright.
Specifically, in the past, conventional wisdom has indicated that larger screens can be ~ .7x as bright as a small screen and the content will appear the same to thee eyes.

Dolby concertedly tested this hypothesis in their past viewer preference studies for small vs. large screens.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

I don't know what the nit level of my Vizio E-series is, but with the backlight at 60%, I think if the projector at my folks home on their 120 inch screen was that bright, I'd need sunglasses.

Trivial point being, the bigger the screen, the rougher on the eyes brightness gets, which is why there's somewhat of a happy marriage between 100 nits and a theatrical presentation.

Absolutely. But consumer based HDR isn't even taking home projection into account as that market is a fraction of a fraction of the consumer market (this is from someone with a home cinema and a 120" screen). The cinema HDR stuff is being graded specifically for that environment at 100 nits, but the caveat is that is Dolby Cinema so they can control EVERYTHING. They know the screen, projector, brightness, all of it. In home projection every setup will be different based on the projector, screen gain, zoom, low lamp/high lamp, and on and on and on. So trying to make a PQ curve that works to that is nearly impossible because of the variations. Flat panels are easy as they can be measured pretty reliably in the factory before shipping.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Good point and not trivial.

It deserves mention that larger screens can be less bright.
Specifically, in the past, conventional wisdom has indicated that larger screens can be ~ .7x as bright as a small screen and the content will appear the same to thee eyes.

Dolby concertedly tested this hypothesis in their past viewer preference studies for small vs. large screens.

I know that Stacey Spears is trying to find out more about what Dolby recommends for projection because of this. He is the same as me in that he doesn't want a flat panel, he wants projection at home. His screen is smaller than mine but he has a nice light controlled home theater, I helped him build it.

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well to be more precise in this case, England. Mike, you live in England, right? Since that being the case, I was asking if you knew of one project which boasted an end-to-end production containing all imagery in the 4K realm. It’s just that I assumed you would be more familiar with what’s going on in your own country rather than any other country in the world, but perhaps no AV *journalists* ever did a write-up on that particular production , I don’t know, as I haven’t 'google' checked, but ratehr heard about it thru personal conversations/communications.

Geoff, do you know what I’m referring to? Think David Attenborough.

I thought of Life Story, the BBCs first documentary series shot in 4K and narrated by David Attenborough. It looked spectacular even in broadcast quality 1080p. Hoping it gets an UltraHD Blu-ray release. My first HD-DVD purchase was Planet Earth...

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

ray0414, I received an email saying that you’re claiming (on another forum) that ‘the raw files from The Martian are actually 6k”,.....apparently you read the hyperlinks to a reply to Kris (Deering) and viewed the Ender’s vimeo clip,

but may have missed the Note at the very end of this post….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post11753639 (it wasn’t shot in full 6K).

There sure is alot of gossip over here. If anyone has a question or a correction they are more than welcome to message me instead acting like twelve year old girls in 6th grade passing notes.

As for the 6k thing, I got that directly from imbd.com. it says that the raw redcode is 6k source format. I apologize if I mistook that as being that the cameras themselves were 6k. Obviously the entire movie wasn't filmed like that, but after watching it is would think that a good portion of it was.

I do appreciate you helping to sort things out. If you could, can you explain the redcode raw 6k format?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by ray0414

There sure is alot of gossip over here. If anyone has a question or a correction they are than welcome to message me instead acting like twelve year old girls in 6th grade passing notes.

As for the 6k thing, I got that directly from imbd.com. it says that the raw redcode is 6k source format. I apologize if I mistook that as being that the cameras themselves were 6k. Obviously the entire movie wasn't filmed like that, but after watching it is would think that a good portion of it was.

I do appreciate you helping to sort things out. If you could, can you expect he redcode raw 6k format?

Only thing even close to a 6k total finish is Gone Girl

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

This is what I’m talkin about in regards to a "4K end-to-end production" (is the Natural History Museum not in the Chelsea area?)……

https://vimeo.com/92140134

Nice. The Queen of England wants eat a dodo is valuable.

"Pirates:Band of Misfits" BDs movie. I love it!

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Only thing even close to a 6k total finish is Gone Girl

Nobody has ever claimed any entire movie had a 6k finish.

All I said was parts of the martian was filmed with a 6k camera and has raw 6k sources.

And according to various site I just googled, the red epic dragon, which is used in the movie, is indeed a 6k resolution camera. So to insist that I or anyone pointing out 6k cameras is spreading misinformation, is actually false itself.

Here's the red epic website which states that it is 6k.

http://www.red.com/products/epic-dragon

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Nobody has ever claimed any entire movie had a 6k finish.

All I said was parts of the martian was filmed with a 6k camera and has raw 6k sources.

And according to various site I just googled, the red epic dragon, which is used in the movie, is indeed a 6k resolution camera. So to insist that I or anyone pointing out 6k cameras is spreading misinformation, is actually false itself.

Here's the red epic website which states that it is 6k.

http://www.red.com/products/epic-dragon

Didn't say anyone claimed anything, I was just stating a fact

[ray0414]

Imbd.com lists 3 cameras

Gopro hero 4
Red epic dragon
Red scarlet dragon


Both reds are 6k cameras, here's the red link to the scarlet


http://www.red.com/products/scarlet-dragon

So if parts of the martian were NOT filmed with 6k cameras, NOW would be the time to do a correction

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Imbd.com lists 3 cameras

Gopro hero 4
Red epic dragon
Red scarlet dragon


Both reds are 6k cameras, here's the red link to the scarlet


http://www.red.com/products/scarlet-dragon

So if parts of the martian were NOT filmed with 6k cameras, NOW would be the time to do a correction

6k finish on a film
http://postperspective.com/gone-girl...post-workflow/

And I have said that since the start with the Martian, there is a ton of CGI and many cameras that make up a lot of the movie that are not even 2k

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by ray0414

There sure is alot of gossip over here. If anyone has a question or a correction they are more than welcome to message me instead acting like twelve year old girls in 6th grade passing notes.

As for the 6k thing, I got that directly from imbd.com. it says that the raw redcode is 6k source format. I apologize if I mistook that as being that the cameras themselves were 6k. Obviously the entire movie wasn't filmed like that, but after watching it is would think that a good portion of it was.

I do appreciate you helping to sort things out. If you could, can you explain the redcode raw 6k format?

Damn straight there Ray, use the ignore list. Makes reading round here sometimes that much easier Exposes you to less Idolatry too.

I myself cannot wait to see the UHD BD of this. You screen shots do not make the wait any easier

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geoff, do you know what I’m referring to? Think David Attenborough.

Having seen the answer above, I didn't have a clue. I don't keep up with TV stuff and besides I'm from south london, not that posh bit over to the west.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

There sure is alot of gossip over here. If anyone has a question or a correction they are more than welcome to message me instead acting like twelve year old girls in 6th grade passing notes.

As for the 6k thing, I got that directly from imbd.com. it says that the raw redcode is 6k source format. I apologize if I mistook that as being that the cameras themselves were 6k. Obviously the entire movie wasn't filmed like that, but after watching it is would think that a good portion of it was.

I do appreciate you helping to sort things out. If you could, can you explain the redcode raw 6k format?

Semantics aside, the thing you've got to bear in mind is that the entire 6K frame is rarely meant to be fully seen, they usually frame up the image for a 4K or 5K extraction within the 6K capture which gives them plenty of leeway to reframe in post (as explained in the Ender's Game VFX vid, albeit for a 2K finish from 5K RED in that case).

And in the case of The Martian some of the glass wouldn't resolve the entire sensor area anyway (think of the vignetting you can get when using certain lenses, zooms especially, here's a piece about it from RED: http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/lens-vignetting). So it's filmed using 6K cameras but the 'raw' files wouldn't always yield that much info, either by choice (framed for x extraction, expanding outside of which would change the originally intended framing) or by circumstance (lens doesn't resolve entire image).

[Geoff D]

Just for added emphasis, here's where The Martian's DP explains that technically they shot it in 5K because that's what the zoom lenses covered (having used zooms predominantly as a sort of 'one stop shop' instead of switching between primes and zooms all the time): http://www.angenieux.com/zoom-lenses...wolski-asc.htm

Originally Posted by angenieux.com to Dariusz Wolski

On this show, are you shooting full 6K?

No, it’s actually 5K. And the Angenieux zooms cover that image circle.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

As for the 6k thing, I got that directly from imbd.com.

Yeah, but we do have insider knowledge and know the meaning of things.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Having seen the answer above, I didn't have a clue....

Honestly, I wouldn’t have known either if I hadn’t received that info from someone who works at SGO familiar with the finishing process and the master….not some rudimentary delivery info posted on imdb.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...I'm from south london, not that posh bit over to the west.

I know. I'm a CP fan remember.
And don't be surprised if I venture down further south to your current neck of the woods to see waz up there.