James Bond: The Ultimate Collection (1962-2012) + Volume Collections

[dvdmike]

I don't want big names as leads in this series, I only want them as support.

[Dunemoon]

Sometimes looking the part isn't enough. Brosnan always seemed uncomfortable in the role. It's a shame Dalton relinquished the role.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Dunemoon

Sometimes looking the part isn't enough. Brosnan always seemed uncomfortable in the role. It's a shame Dalton relinquished the role.

He was the worst I was glad he left and Craig came in, mind you the Tatrantino/Brosnan Royale would have been something to see

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I don't want big names as leads in this series, I only want them as support.

Well yeah as I've mentioned Idris Elba's character could be support similar to Felix Leiter in the Craig films.

Originally Posted by dvdmike

He was the worst I was glad he left and Craig came in, mind you the Tatrantino/Brosnan Royale would have been something to see

I would've wanted to see that. At least Everything or Nothing (PS2 and XBOX) was far better than Die Another Day. EoN even had Willem Dafoe as the main villain!

[misterweiss]

Originally Posted by Dunemoon

Sometimes looking the part isn't enough. Brosnan always seemed uncomfortable in the role. It's a shame Dalton relinquished the role.

Yes I liked Dalton. It was my understanding at the time though, that he was only filling in until Brosnan was released from his contract with NBC. Dalton knew this going in, supposedly. He was "Plan B" because Eon didn't want to wait that long to put out Bond films. Dalton was also asked in 1968 to take the role when Connery bailed. Dalton was only 22 at the time and thought he was too young. Wisely so. That's when Lazenby got the part.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by misterweiss

Yes I liked Dalton. It was my understanding at the time though, that he was only filling in until Brosnan was released from his contract with NBC. Dalton knew this going in, supposedly. He was "Plan B" because Eon didn't want to wait that long to put out Bond films. Dalton was also asked in 1968 to take the role when Connery bailed. Dalton was only 22 at the time and thought he was too young. Wisely so. That's when Lazenby got the part.

Nope, GoldenEye was written for Dalton
That's why it's the only good film he was in

[misterweiss]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Nope, GoldenEye was written for Dalton
That's why it's the only good film he was in

The titles come and go. They were hyping Casino Royale with Brosnans picture, before they axed him for being too vocal. I distinctly remember reading what I said, at that time. They wanted Brosnan for years.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by misterweiss

The titles come and go. They were hyping Casino Royale with Brosnans picture, before they axed him for being too vocal. I distinctly remember reading what I said, at that time. They wanted Brosnan for years.

They did want him, but he was too young then could not get him away from Steel
The six year gap due to the legal mess didn't help either

[misterweiss]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They did want him, but he was too young then could not get him away from Steel
The six year gap due to the legal mess didn't help either

I know that, I said it, didn't I? I'm saying that I read, at that time, when they offered Dalton the role in the 80's he knew it was for a limited time and they were waiting for Brosnan. I'm not making that up. Whether or not GoldenEye was written for him, he was gonna be on the soup line when Brosnan was available.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They did want him, but he was too young then could not get him away from Steel
The six year gap due to the legal mess didn't help either

If I remember, they were thinking of him in the early eighties also, but he was on the show then as well. I agree that he was probably a little too young in the eighties. In the mid 90's he was the perfect age for Bond.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by misterweiss

I know that, I said it, didn't I? I'm saying that I read, at that time, when they offered Dalton the role in the 80's he knew it was for a limited time and they were waiting for Brosnan. I'm not making that up.

Where did I say you were making anything up? Is overreact the natural first response round here again?!?

[Nada]

Originally Posted by misterweiss

I know that, I said it, didn't I? I'm saying that I read, at that time, when they offered Dalton the role in the 80's he knew it was for a limited time and they were waiting for Brosnan. I'm not making that up.

I've never heard of that before.

Dalton was up for the role for OHMSS, but he was far too young at that point.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Nada

If I remember, they were thinking of him in the early eighties also, but he was on the show then as well. I agree that he was probably a little too young in the eighties. In the mid 90's he was the perfect age for Bond.

It was for your eyes only, his age was not the issue his approach was.
Eyes was too dark and more Bond than he could handle.
They wanted more Dalton hence GoldenEye but Dalton refused

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Nada

I've never heard of that before.

Dalton was up for the role for OHMSS, but he was far too young at that point.

He was indeed, Dalton was very well liked

[Nada]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It was for your eyes only, his age was not the issue his approach was.
Eyes was too dark and more Bond than he could handle.
They wanted more Dalton hence GoldenEye but Dalton refused

I don't think he actually tested for FYEO. His wife, Cassandra Harris, was in the film.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Nada

I don't think he actually tested for FYEO. His wife, Cassandra Harris, was in the film.

No, sorry he did a test at that time not for that film I didn't make that clear

[misterweiss]

Originally Posted by Nada

I've never heard of that before.

Dalton was up for the role for OHMSS, but he was far too young at that point.

Yes I said that too. They wanted him in '68 but he is the one who said he was too young. As far as the 80's, I can't remember if it was Time, Newsweek or People I read that story in, about Dalton being Eon's temp until they got their boy Brosnan. But I read it. Honest.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Just finished A View To A Kill. Not bad. Just dull. Not a lot happened. Bond seemed tired. It was refreshing in a way. He seemed much more calculating.

It's interesting looking back, it seems like some films had a high budget, others had a small budget. Some were super cheesy, some tried to be serious. No real pattern. Even with the same director and writers one film to the next would have a really different tone.

Except the humor, I think I liked TMWTGG best from the Moore series.

Part of me wants to sell Connery Vol 2 and Moore Vol 1&2. I don't really think I'll watch them again, not before 4K anyhow.

I still have Never Say Never Again to watch and I'm going to retry a different version of Thunderball to see if I like it better.

Next up is Dalton though. Looking forward to it.

"A View to a Kill"'s budget was $30 million ($66.3 million in 2015 dollars). The film before it, "Octopussy" (ignoring "Never Say Never Again"), was $27.5 million ($65.725 million in 2015 dollars) and the film after, "The Living Daylights" had a budget of $40 million ($84 million in 2015 dollars).

The film with the largest budget both before and after inflation adjustment was "Quantum of Solace" with a $230 million budget ($255.3 million in 2015 dollars). Decent movie, but I didn't see $230 million on the screen. That budget was 39.9% of the worldwide gross, so considering that the studio gets net and the marketing costs are on top, that film lost money for the studio.

"Dr. No" was made for just $1 million ($7.79 million in today's dollars). That's really nothing. Just demonstrates that if you leave out the meaningless giant explosions and set pieces, one can make great entertainment on a low budget.

[Aerodude73]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

"A View to a Kill"'s budget was $30 million ($66.3 million in 2015 dollars). The film before it, "Octopussy" (ignoring "Never Say Never Again"), was $27.5 million ($65.725 million in 2015 dollars) and the film after, "The Living Daylights" had a budget of $40 million ($84 million in 2015 dollars).

The film with the largest budget both before and after inflation adjustment was "Quantum of Solace" with a $230 million budget ($255.3 million in 2015 dollars). Decent movie, but I didn't see $230 million on the screen. That budget was 39.9% of the worldwide gross, so considering that the studio gets net and the marketing costs are on top, that film lost money for the studio.

"Dr. No" was made for just $1 million ($7.79 million in today's dollars). That's really nothing. Just demonstrates that if you leave out the meaningless giant explosions and set pieces, one can make great entertainment on a low budget.

It shows HERE that the Budget was $200M, not that that site couldn't be Totally accurate. "SKYFALL" also shows a budget of $200M, but, that made over $1B Worldwide, so obviously they're doing alright (whether it's in "today's dollars", last week's, 2 yrs ago, or 17 yrs ).

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by misterweiss

Yes I said that too. They wanted him in '68 but he is the one who said he was too young. As far as the 80's, I can't remember if it was Time, Newsweek or People I read that story in, about Dalton being Eon's temp until they got their boy Brosnan. But I read it. Honest.

I also never heard this. At the time when Dalton was signed, it was clear that he was going to be the next Bond in the SERIES, not as a stopgap measure while waiting for Brosnan. Perhaps after the fact, when Brosnan was ultimately cast, someone wrote that, but as far as I know there is no confirmation of it anywhere that it occurred during Dalton's tenure.

Dalton was among the suspects unfairly blamed for the lackluster box office of LICENCE TO KILL, rather than where blame should have been placed, i.e. opening and competing during a high ticket action movie summer on too few available screens and with one of the worst marketing campaigns ever done. During the long spell between that and GOLDENEYE, they decided to retain the seriousness of Dalton's intent for the character, but went back to Brosnan because Dalton still had that stigma of failure to him.

Dalton remains the only classically trained actor to play the role and the one who is most faithful to Fleming's conception. He knew the novels fluently and had high hopes of turning the film series into what Craig eventually was able to do. LICENCE TO KILL had A LOT of Dalton's ideas in it and is brilliant because of it.