James Bond: The Ultimate Collection (1962-2012) + Volume Collections

[Nada]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

I just learned that TLD was written for Brosnan. Thinking back, makes a lot of sense.

This is the first I'm hearing of this. Are you sure you aren't mistaken? Goldeneye was written with Dalton in mind though. Looking at Licence to Kill, it was clearly a vehicle for Dalton and he had more input in the script, if I remember.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by Nada

This is the first I'm hearing of this. Are you sure you aren't mistaken? Goldeneye was written with Dalton in mind though. Looking at Licence to Kill, it was clearly a vehicle for Dalton and he had more input in the script, if I remember.

I am positive, it's in the documentary on The Living Daylights disc.

They said they chose Brosnan but Remington Steele optioned him for five more episodes and would not release him from his contract to do TLD; so they asked Dalton again (who was first asked for OHMSS, but declined saying he was too young).

[misterweiss]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

Nether does repeatedly insisting like a child without any proof make something true.

Ok I'm searching to see if that article is online, and you'll apologize for that. But I did find one from August 11, 1986 People mag that tells of Brosnan's woes and that he was this close to signing for Living Daylights, and NBC decided to keep Steele, dashing his and Cubbie's Bond plans. They mention an actor or two, but Dalton was the last one they settled on. So as of 8/11/86, they hadn't cast a new Bond and were supposed to start shooting with Brosnan, who had just moved to London. So that also points to what I said, but I'll find that article. This article also supports the claim/fact that TLD was written for Brosnan. Dalton was not high on the list of replacments. He knew that. He knew they wanted Brosnan and he was second best. It's ironic that all the publicity surrounding Brosnan becoming James Bond is what caused NBC to keep Steele. They eyed him for Bond as early as 1981, this article alludes to that. Read this article and I'll keep trying to find the one I remember reading. http://www.people.com/people/archive...094272,00.html

I was just thinking...I was 28 in 1986. How old were you lot?

[Nada]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

I am positive, it's in the documentary on The Living Daylights disc.

They said they chose Brosnan but Remington Steele optioned him for five more episodes and would not release him from his contract to do TLD; so they asked Dalton again (who was first asked for OHMSS, but declined saying he was too young).

Yes, that's true. But the film wasn't written for Brosnan in particular and that is not said in the documentary.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by Nada

Yes, that's true. But the film wasn't written for Brosnan in particular and that is not said in the documentary.

If they know who they want to cast when they write, how could it not be?

Even if the contract is not 100% guaranteed, subconsciously the writing will be influenced by the knowledge of who they will or think they will use.

Regardless, it's pretty dumb to debate something that did or didn't happened 30 years ago.

And I never willingly entered this little debate y'all were having.

I'm just trying to get my Bond on.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

If they know who they want to cast when they write, how could it not be?

Even if the contract is not 100% guaranteed, subconsciously the writing will be influenced by the knowledge of who they will or think they will use.

Regardless, it's pretty dumb to debate something that did or didn't happened 30 years ago.

And I never willingly entered this little debate y'all were having.

I'm just trying to get my Bond on.

The script was written before Brosnan was attached.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by Nada

The script was written before Brosnan was attached.

I am going to detach from this debate.

I neither know what happened 30 years ago nor care.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

I am going to detach from this debate.

I neither know what happened 30 years ago nor care.

This is the problem with this forum - people take everything so personal. I'm just having a friendly discussion, but you're taking it like I'm pushing you, when that's far from the truth.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by Nada

This is the problem with this forum - people take everything so personal. I'm just having a friendly discussion, but you're taking it like I'm pushing you, when that's far from the truth.

No, I just mentioned something I heard in the documentary and you are continuing the conversation. I don't remember what it was specifically but I remember you getting pissy at something before. Probably something about Moonraker. Lol.

I noticed around my post there seemed to be a spat going between some of the forum members and I really don't care enough to get involved.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

No, I just mentioned something I heard in the documentary and you are continuing the conversation. I don't remember what it was specifically but I remember you getting pissy at something before. Probably something about Moonraker. Lol.

Correction - you're misquoting something you heard in a documentary and inferring something that wasn't said. If I remember, you mentioned something about the plots being convoluted during the Moore era, when in fact all of the plots are pretty interchangeable throughout the entire series, including Craig's films. Hardly pissy, just trying to engage in a conversation.

[misterweiss]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

No, I just mentioned something I heard in the documentary and you are continuing the conversation. I don't remember what it was specifically but I remember you getting pissy at something before. Probably something about Moonraker. Lol.

I noticed around my post there seemed to be a spat going between some of the forum members and I really don't care enough to get involved.

Some people think (and this is true of most forums, and Wikipedia) that if they didn't know/hadn't heard/hadn't read something then it can't be so, or they don't/won't believe you. It can be frustrating.

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by misterweiss

Ok I'm searching to see if that article is online, and you'll apologize for that. But I did find one from August 11, 1986 People mag that tells of Brosnan's woes and that he was this close to signing for Living Daylights, and NBC decided to keep Steele, dashing his and Cubbie's Bond plans. They mention an actor or two, but Dalton was the last one they settled on. So as of 8/11/86, they hadn't cast a new Bond and were supposed to start shooting with Brosnan, who had just moved to London. So that also points to what I said, but I'll find that article. This article also supports the claim/fact that TLD was written for Brosnan. Dalton was not high on the list of replacments. He knew that. He knew they wanted Brosnan and he was second best. It's ironic that all the publicity surrounding Brosnan becoming James Bond is what caused NBC to keep Steele. They eyed him for Bond as early as 1981, this article alludes to that. Read this article and I'll keep trying to find the one I remember reading. http://www.people.com/people/archive...094272,00.html

I was just thinking...I was 28 in 1986. How old were you lot?

Even if you find something to substantiate your claim, I see no need to apologize. My statement was not so much in reference to your allegations, but the method and manner you were presenting it. Your "proof" will not change that. You definitely seem to have issues with anyone who disagrees with you about anything.

And to answer your question, I was born in 1958, so surprise surprise I was the same age as you in 1986. I saw GOLDFINGER in a theater at the age of six.

But what does age have to do with any of this? Just because you've been a fan or follower for however many years doesn't automatically make you an expert on a subject. No age group has any monopoly on knowledge.

[V40LLY]

How about this for frustrating; people thinking that Daniel Craig isn't doing anymore Bond films after Spectre and that Idris Elba is replacing him lol

[misterweiss]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

Even if you find something to substantiate your claim, I see no need to apologize. My statement was not so much in reference to your allegations, but the method and manner you were presenting it. Your "proof" will not change that. You definitely seem to have issues with anyone who disagrees with you about anything.

And to answer your question, I was born in 1958, so surprise surprise I was the same age as you in 1986. I saw GOLDFINGER in a theater at the age of six.

But what does age have to do with any of this? Just because you've been a fan or follower for however many years doesn't automatically make you an expert on a subject. No age group has any monopoly on knowledge.

I'm sorry I didn't mean to come across in a mean way. But look at it from my point of view...I say something and a couple people say "well I never heard that" and other things to imply I'm making it up. I am not, and if you read the People article it indicates already that what I said was more than likely the truth. Dalton was a last minute replacement for Brosnan. They made no secret of it and it was in various media of the day that Dalton was out the minute Brosnan was free. Impossible to believe that he would not have known that. He was not chosen way in advance. And the article I linked said any dark haired Englishman walking upright was seemingly being considered. Hopefully I'll find that other article online, if it is, and if you don't apologize that's fine. But you will know that I was right.

No, age has nothing to do with pure knowledge. But age incorporates what I call "frame of reference". For example...someone today can read about the Beatles invading America in Feb 1964, but they won't have felt and lived through the actual excitement of all of the girls at the bus stop that Monday morning, after their appearance on Ed Sullivan. A 26 year old today was not reading Time, Life and People mags in 1986, was he? Unless someone read and remembered those articles at the time, chances are they wouldn't seek or find them today. That's what I meant by that.

[Professor Echo]

Unfortunately on message boards an IMPRESSION can sometimes distort the reality. Speaking for myself, I certainly was not trying to say you were making up any of your claims, but no doubt such an impression can be made very easily even when no insult or malice were intended.

In any case, discussions of all things Bond is a favorite passion of mine so I look forward to more of it. I think the posts that Dreamliner has been making about his first viewings have been a lot of fun, even though at times we have to agree to disagree. [emoji6]

[Yojimbo]

Originally Posted by V40LLY

How about this for frustrating; people thinking that Daniel Craig isn't doing anymore Bond films after Spectre and that Idris Elba is replacing him lol

It's definitely annoying. It's nothing more than wishful thinking. I like Idris Elba and all, but good grief, people need to move on. It's not going to happen (at least anytime soon). He even said he doesn't want to do it.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by misterweiss

Dalton was a last minute replacement for Brosnan.

This is true.

They made no secret of it and it was in various media of the day that Dalton was out the minute Brosnan was free.

Pierce would have finished with Remington Steele's final episodes during The Living Daylights shoot and would be free shortly afterwards. Timothy was contracted for three films, he was given an out of Goldeneye (as a few years had passed), but to say that Pierce would step in the moment he was free doesn't seem right, three films would have more or less guaranteed 6 years for Dalton.

With smooth-sailing Brosnan wouldn't have got his chance again until 1993 (which is hardly the minute he was free). He was free after Dalton did The Living Daylight's yet Dalton continued on and he would have done a few more if they hadn't got in such a mess.

After Dalton passed on Goldeneye, Pierce was still not a dead-cert, other actors passed on the role before he got the part.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by V40LLY

How about this for frustrating; people thinking that Daniel Craig isn't doing anymore Bond films after Spectre and that Idris Elba is replacing him lol

He is too old

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Nada

This is the first I'm hearing of this. Are you sure you aren't mistaken? Goldeneye was written with Dalton in mind though. Looking at Licence to Kill, it was clearly a vehicle for Dalton and he had more input in the script, if I remember.

It was part a Moore script actually

[V40LLY]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo

It's definitely annoying. It's nothing more than wishful thinking. I like Idris Elba and all, but good grief, people need to move on. It's not going to happen (at least anytime soon). He even said he doesn't want to do it.

1. Daniel Craig will be around for a good while longer. More than likely, it'll be until sometime during the early to mid 2020's.

2. Idris Elba would love to do it. However, I don't think it would be fitting to cast a black actor in the role. But, it's up to the producer's and MGM, not me.

3. They won't start looking for a new replacement actor for the role, unless, Daniel Craig officially announces that he's quitting, or they decide to discontinue him. When that eventually happens, they will not tell the general public, what they are planning, or who they are screen testing. When a final decision is made, a big press conference is held, whereby, a new James Bond actor is unveiled.

So, ignore the nonsense rumour's that get banded about the press, because are just that! They often get invented, or stem from the stupidest of reason's.

If, hypothetically, Steven Seagal told a journalist, who was interviewing him, that he would like to play James Bond. It would be all over the Internet the following day, that he was stepping into Daniel Craig's shoes. The thing is; only people like me, who understand any sort of logic, would realise straight away that it is bulls***.