James Bond: The Ultimate Collection (1962-2012) + Volume Collections

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Never understood the big issue with the clown disguise.

If you're a spy on the run in a circus what else would you disguise yourself as -- an elephant?

Yeah, me neither. It's not like he actually starts performing as a clown. People like to just point out that he wears a clown disguise so they can roll their eyes and make snide comments about how it's a fitting comment at how far the series had sunk, which is complete bullshit. The scene where Bond is trying to convince everyone about the bomb has me on the edge of my seat every time I watch it.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by HDvision

Octopussy is a take on Indiana Jones. Would Indiana Jones dress as a clown?

Imagine the uproar if he dresses as a clown in Indy 5!

Take on Indiana Jones? It's nothing of the sort. Dressing as a clown > surviving being nuked by hiding in a fridge.

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Never understood the big issue with the clown disguise.

If you're a spy on the run in a circus what else would you disguise yourself as -- an elephant?

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Yeah, me neither. It's not like he actually starts performing as a clown. People like to just point out that he wears a clown disguise so they can roll their eyes and make snide comments about how it's a fitting comment at how far the series had sunk, which is complete bullshit. The scene where Bond is trying to convince everyone about the bomb has me on the edge of my seat every time I watch it.

Agreed. I didn't find anything negative about James Bond disguising himself as a clown in Octopussy.

Actually I always thought that it was was clever of James Bond to disguise himself as a clown.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Yeah, me neither. It's not like he actually starts performing as a clown. People like to just point out that he wears a clown disguise so they can roll their eyes and make snide comments about how it's a fitting comment at how far the series had sunk, which is complete bullshit. The scene where Bond is trying to convince everyone about the bomb has me on the edge of my seat every time I watch it.

Absolutely. It's a great scene.

I love the way Moore yells, 'Damn it, man. There's a bomb in there!'

And the audience gasps.

[MJD64]

I'm surprised so many fans lose it over the Tarzan yell, but almost never mention Moore holding up his finger and telling the tiger "sit!"...succesfully. I love this parodistic sequence, where Bond runs into every conceivable jungle menace in short order (spiders, leeches, elephants, tiger, snake) all the while being pursued by super-smooth Louis Jourdan ( just the way he says "Octopussy" throughout the film is worth the price of admission) in the manner of The Most Dangerous Game.

Female tourist- "Are you with our group?"
Bond- "No ma'am, I'm with the economy tour."

[Monterey Jack]

The only problem I have with Moore's clown disguise is that he puts on the facepaint far too quickly and easily in the midst of being pursued by the circus security. It'd be one thing if he grabbed a clown suit from a rack and shrugged it on, but it's like he entered an unoccupied dressing room, and like 30 seconds later, he emerges with a professional-looking facepaint job. If anything, his self-applied facepaint should have looked as sloppy as the Joker in The Dark Knight

[ashedmaniac]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

People like to just point out that he wears a clown disguise so they can roll their eyes and make snide comments about how it's a fitting comment at how far the series had sunk...

"Bond is dressed as a skeleton in Spectre because the Bond franchise is dead!"

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Yeah, me neither. It's not like he actually starts performing as a clown. People like to just point out that he wears a clown disguise so they can roll their eyes and make snide comments about how it's a fitting comment at how far the series had sunk, which is complete bullshit. The scene where Bond is trying to convince everyone about the bomb has me on the edge of my seat every time I watch it.

It makes the scene where he's trying to convince the general about the bomb funny and tense at the same time. The clown disguise worked to get him in, but it has an unexpected consequence, like who's going to take him seriously?

I love all the Bond movies in different ways, and Octopussy definitely has some great moments. Some of those little humorous touches are things that the Moore movies pulled off that the others probably couldn't have. Like when they are talking about the schedule and Bond automatically looks at his watch before realizing he needs to stand still. And when he sits up in the body bag and freaks out the guard! And... "Sit!" I can't see Connery doing that.

Also reminds me of one of my favorite subtle Bond Moore moments. In Moonraker when Dr Goodhead goes to turn on the light and Bond grabs her arm and scares her, then when she turns on the light, he is standing there straight faced. It's like Moore's Bond was almost more of a practical joker, with the amusement all to himself.

[ChromeJob]

Originally Posted by MJD64

I'm surprised so many fans lose it over the Tarzan yell, but almost never mention Moore holding up his finger and telling the tiger "sit!"...succesfully. I love this parodistic sequence, where Bond runs into every conceivable jungle menace in short order (spiders, leeches, elephants, tiger, snake) all the while being pursued by super-smooth Louis Jourdan ( just the way he says "Octopussy" throughout the film is worth the price of admission) in the manner of The Most Dangerous Game.



Female tourist- "Are you with our group?"

Bond- "No ma'am, I'm with the economy tour."

I'm afraid I'm one of those people who cringe at the satirical things. Interpolating Maurice Jarre's famous "Lawrence of Arabia" theme in TSWLM, the CE3K melody in Moonraker, the Tarzan yell ... I felt it took the series so far away from at least the "let's have fun" serious action of LALD's boat chase, I stopped going.[1] Guess we had fair warning with John Barry's slide whistle in the corkscrew car jump (TMWTGG).

Interesting note: in a Hollywood Collection bio on Roger Moore that I watched on Amazon video the other night, Maud Adams stated that the Barbara Woodhouse "Sit-T!" thing was ad libbed. Clearly it's a fake tiger that pokes out of the bush at Moore, but she said when the tiger was brought on, Moore just did that and the tiger sat down immediately. I dunno … maybe someone told her that, or maybe she really was around when they filmed that.



[1] Until my high school chum and I both saw the FYEO trailer and noticed the climax of Fleming's LALD being used.


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[kemcha]

The more I keep watching the Daniel Craig Bond films the more I keep wondering about certain aspects of this series that Barbara Broccoli often talked about regarding the reboot of the franchise.

The one thing I keep remembering was how Barbara always talked about rebooting the series without the fantasy elements, the tricked out spy gadgets, weaponized automobiles, etc. But, the one thing I noticed was how certain plot elements started to creep back into the series over the course of the last four films. Most notably, the return of "Q" as Bond's Quartermaster, the return of Spectre, the return of Blofeld and his infamous feline, the Aston Martin DB 5 ... it just makes me wonder how long before we start seeing some of those awesome spy gadgets that have become synonymous with the Bond films.

Another thing I've wondered is how many fans knew that Spectre was making its presence known as far back as Casino Royale. While the organization wasn't reference to in any of the films leading up to Spectre, it was heavily inferred to in Quantum of Solace, during that scene at the opera house, where Bond was trailing Dominic Greene.

[MJD64]

Originally Posted by ChromeJob

I'm afraid I'm one of those people who cringe at the satirical things. Interpolating Maurice Jarre's famous "Lawrence of Arabia" theme in TSWLM, the CE3K melody in Moonraker, the Tarzan yell ... I felt it took the series so far away from at least the "let's have fun" serious action of LALD's boat chase, I stopped going.[1] Guess we had fair warning with John Barry's slide whistle in the corkscrew car jump (TMWTGG).

Interesting note: in a Hollywood Collection bio on Roger Moore that I watched on Amazon video the other night, Maud Adams stated that the Barbara Woodhouse "Sit-T!" thing was ad libbed. Clearly it's a fake tiger that pokes out of the bush at Moore, but she said when the tiger was brought on, Moore just did that and the tiger sat down immediately. I dunno … maybe someone told her that, or maybe she really was around when they filmed that.



[1] Until my high school chum and I both saw the FYEO trailer and noticed the climax of Fleming's LALD being used.


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I find the Moore Bond's are played so lightly the parodistic and satirical elements have never bothered me much. I realize the Fleming purists in particular find a lot of those moments cringe-worthy though, as is their right ( and don't forget The Magnificent Seven theme being used in Moonraker...although I completely understand if you'd rather!).

One sequence I'm in complete agreement with you on is the slide-whistle being used in TMWTGG. It always struck me as undercutting an incredible physical stunt, as well as being somewhat disrespectful of the efforts of the stunt co-ordinater's and courageous driver who pulled off that damn impressive feat ( in one take, I believe), all for the sake of a cheap laugh.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by kemcha

The more I keep watching the Daniel Craig Bond films the more I keep wondering about certain aspects of this series that Barbara Broccoli often talked about regarding the reboot of the franchise.

The one thing I keep remembering was how Barbara always talked about rebooting the series without the fantasy elements, the tricked out spy gadgets, weaponized automobiles, etc. But, the one thing I noticed was how certain plot elements started to creep back into the series over the course of the last four films. Most notably, the return of "Q" as Bond's Quartermaster, the return of Spectre, the return of Blofeld and his infamous feline, the Aston Martin DB 5 ... it just makes me wonder how long before we start seeing some of those awesome spy gadgets that have become synonymous with the Bond films.

Another thing I've wondered is how many fans knew that Spectre was making its presence known as far back as Casino Royale. While the organization wasn't reference to in any of the films leading up to Spectre, it was heavily inferred to in Quantum of Solace, during that scene at the opera house, where Bond was trailing Dominic Greene.

Well EON productions could not use the character of Blofeld or Spectre for some time due to legal issues. It all stems from the rights of ownership of Thunderball. EON finally won the case and can now use Spectre again. At the time of Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, using Spectre was a no-no. At least in legal terms. Quantum was going to be the new Spectre but that was dropped after they got the rights back.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by ChromeJob

I'm afraid I'm one of those people who cringe at the satirical things. Interpolating Maurice Jarre's famous "Lawrence of Arabia" theme in TSWLM, the CE3K melody in Moonraker, the Tarzan yell ... I felt it took the series so far away from at least the "let's have fun" serious action of LALD's boat chase, I stopped going.[1] Guess we had fair warning with John Barry's slide whistle in the corkscrew car jump (TMWTGG).

Interesting note: in a Hollywood Collection bio on Roger Moore that I watched on Amazon video the other night, Maud Adams stated that the Barbara Woodhouse "Sit-T!" thing was ad libbed. Clearly it's a fake tiger that pokes out of the bush at Moore, but she said when the tiger was brought on, Moore just did that and the tiger sat down immediately. I dunno … maybe someone told her that, or maybe she really was around when they filmed that.



[1] Until my high school chum and I both saw the FYEO trailer and noticed the climax of Fleming's LALD being used.


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Using LALD as a benchmark for seriousness? Cmon man, it features a voodoo priest who seemingly comes back from the dead and a villain who inflates like a giant balloon before popping without a trace of viscera anywhere. And that speed boat chase you speak of is interspersed with the antics of one of the silliest characters in the entire series.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by MJD64

I'm surprised so many fans lose it over the Tarzan yell, but almost never mention Moore holding up his finger and telling the tiger "sit!"...succesfully. I love this parodistic sequence, where Bond runs into every conceivable jungle menace in short order (spiders, leeches, elephants, tiger, snake) all the while being pursued by super-smooth Louis Jourdan ( just the way he says "Octopussy" throughout the film is worth the price of admission) in the manner of The Most Dangerous Game.

Female tourist- "Are you with our group?"
Bond- "No ma'am, I'm with the economy tour."

The comedy in Octopussy is legit funny.

Better than some of the groaners from other more celebrated entries.

[kemcha]

While I wasn't aware of the copyright suit, or rather that I didn't recall it, I just see various plot elements of the original Bond films to be getting slowly reintegrated back into the series.

Far as Live and Let Die goes, while I did enjoy the film, it remains one of my least favorites. I found Clifton James' addition to the series to be, more or less, Broccoli Productions desire to parody itself with this film. I just didn't find his inclusion to be all that believable and I think that was just an attempt by Broccoli to create their own version of Sheriff Bufford T. Justice from Smokey and the Bandit. What made it especially egregious was that they brought back Clifton James' character for the Man With the Golden Gun.

Hopefully, they will never try to create similar parody characters ever again. But, can you imagine Jim Carey or Ashton Kutcher in a James Bond movie?

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by kemcha

While I wasn't aware of the copyright suit, or rather that I didn't recall it, I just see various plot elements of the original Bond films to be getting slowly reintegrated back into the series.

Far as Live and Let Die goes, while I did enjoy the film, it remains one of my least favorites. I found Clifton James' addition to the series to be, more or less, Broccoli Productions desire to parody itself with this film. I just didn't find his inclusion to be all that believable and I think that was just an attempt by Broccoli to create their own version of Sheriff Bufford T. Justice from Smokey and the Bandit. What made it especially egregious was that they brought back Clifton James' character for the Man With the Golden Gun.

Hopefully, they will never try to create similar parody characters ever again. But, can you imagine Jim Carey or Ashton Kutcher in a James Bond movie?

LALD came out long before Smokey and the Bandit and the film was primarily produced by Harry Saltzman, one of the co-founders of Eon Productions, so stop trying to sound clever by calling it "Broccoli" Productions.

[kemcha]

Well, I had always thought it was the other way. I should have doubkle checked my information before posting it. But, it's like what I have always said about the series, the James Bond series seems to be motivated, primarily, by other movies. Least, with the original movie series, it did. Such as "Moonraker" being an attempt to capitalize on "Star Wars". I always looked at it as a cynical attempt, just as Battlestar Galactica was used as an attempt to use elements of Star Trek and Star Wars into its own franchise (back in the 1970's). I hope that Broccoli doesn't try that same tactic with the rebooted version of the character.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Well, I had always thought it was the other way. I should have doubkle checked my information before posting it. But, it's like what I have always said about the series, the James Bond series seems to be motivated, primarily, by other movies. Least, with the original movie series, it did. Such as "Moonraker" being an attempt to capitalize on "Star Wars". I always looked at it as a cynical attempt, just as Battlestar Galactica was used as an attempt to use elements of Star Trek and Star Wars into its own franchise (back in the 1970's). I hope that Broccoli doesn't try that same tactic with the rebooted version of the character.

Doing that was a smart way to stay viable as a franchise after the demise of the 60s spy-fi craze. LALD was influenced by blaxploitation, TMWTGG was influenced by martial arts films, Licence To Kill was influenced by Joel Silver action films, and the last two Daniel Craig films have been influenced by the Nolan Dark Knight films. No doubt future Bond films will be influenced by other popular movie trends.

[ChromeJob]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

Well EON productions could not use the character of Blofeld or Spectre for some time due to legal issues. It all stems from the rights of ownership of Thunderball. EON finally won the case and can now use Spectre again. At the time of Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, using Spectre was a no-no. At least in legal terms. Quantum was going to be the new Spectre but that was dropped after they got the rights back.

Silly. They had the core element of SPECTRE in Quantum. In the books, SPECTRE is hardly much more than a syndicate of criminals/organizations. A little like Al Quaeda. Reviving a Blofeld and SPECTRE is kinda dopey to me, like thinking the MI6 still maintains a 1964 era sports car with gadgets like THAT'S never going be noticed. :P

I would've just built upon Quantum, making them want to exact revenge over MI6, maybe even Bond, for disrupting their ops and costing them too much money.

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Using LALD as a benchmark for seriousness? Cmon man, it features a voodoo priest who seemingly comes back from the dead and a villain who inflates like a giant balloon before popping without a trace of viscera anywhere. And that speed boat chase you speak of is interspersed with the antics of one of the silliest characters in the entire series.

Maybe I should have said Moore's performance. Bedding Rosie then pulling a gun on her and threatening her. Conniving his way into Solitaire's bed. Oh, it's not Serious like Dalton or Craig. But he didn't skip through the whole film with a smirk like he knew nothing wouldnt' go his way.

I recall they "brought him back down to earth" after Moonraker, so FYEO he had a dark side.

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Doing that was a smart way to stay viable as a franchise after the demise of the 60s spy-fi craze. LALD was influenced by blaxploitation, TMWTGG was influenced by martial arts films, Licence To Kill was influenced by Joel Silver action films, and the last two Daniel Craig films have been influenced by the Nolan Dark Knight films. No doubt future Bond films will be influenced by other popular movie trends.

I thought Skyfall was interesting, but SPECTRE bored me and seemed like it was written by committee.

"Make sure he has a gadget car!"
"Can we have an ugly torture scene again? Critics liked it in Casino Royale."
"Oh, hey. We gotta tie it in with Vesper…"
"Can we have the DB5 again? Pretty please?"
"The suits' have to fit tight, okay? He looks cool that way."
"Let's let Q have some more involvement in the plot, so we don't waste Ben. What? Moneypenny? Bah, she got her star turn in Skyfall, she can be window dressing this time."
"That creepy guy from Sherlock is great, let's hire him. But he has to be creepy again. People will recognize that."
"Let's have a really bad-*** henchman/killer who keeps shadowing Bond, like Grant in FRWL. He'll keep trying to kill him, even if the plot hinges on him NOT killing him… We'll plug that gaping plot hole later."

Originally Posted by kemcha

Hopefully, they will never try to create similar parody characters ever again. But, can you imagine Jim Carey or Ashton Kutcher in a James Bond movie?

The end of SPECTRE
But James Bond Will return
in
IT READS BETTER THAN IT LIVES

Starring Adam Sandler as Felix Leiter


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[ChromeJob]

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