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[Penton-Man]

LA local advanced media practitioners, time to register.
Some of the presenters….




Full info for the Technology Symposium invitation -
https://s-a-m.com/news-events/events...m-los-angeles/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Dolby Vision is a company grasping at relevance.

Hardly that mike. Dolby lab scientists are at the cutting edge forefront of making imagery better for everyone.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hardly that mike. Dolby lab scientists are at the cutting edge forefront of making imagery better for everyone.

Nope, everyone would include me

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hardly that mike. Dolby lab scientists are at the cutting edge forefront of making imagery better for everyone.

Everyone except those with preconceived notions on how films should look locked in time and don't want progress.


In any case, Atmos alone shows that they are more relevant than ever.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hardly that mike. Dolby lab scientists are at the cutting edge forefront of making imagery better for everyone.

True, though ICtCp was rejected at the recent HEVC meeting. In fact most of the features requested for broadcast HDR were rejected since it is still being worked on by the ITU. On one hand I understand why they don't want to include features from a draft document that just got released but this was not a great time to stick with procedure. The next version of HEVC will likely be released in early 2018 which means products that fully support broadcast HDR won't be released until 2019. Broadcast HDR is taking a bit longer than I expected.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

True, though ICtCp was rejected at the recent HEVC meeting. In fact most of the features requested for broadcast HDR were rejected since it is still being worked on by the ITU....

Yes it was agreed not to include ICtCp since it is not yet fully approved in ITU-R, but It was also agreed to issue a Working Draft for the ICtCp aspect. Also, note to mike: even if it were completely rejected eventually, that doesn’t negate the original color science work (devising a new color space) pursued in order to improve image quality by Dolby Labs….something of which mike in his * judgmental wisdom* has labeled “Dolby Vision is a company grasping at relevance.”

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

(devising a new color space) pursued in order to improve image quality by Dolby Labs….and the University of Stuttgart and the University of Tübingen

[Penton-Man]

The morning went poorly for me with the Arsenal. But....the evening and night, based upon prior performance recognition (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...o#post11886462 )

went just fine …. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a6902631.html

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes it was agreed not to include ICtCp since it is not yet fully approved in ITU-R, but It was also agreed to issue a Working Draft for the ICtCp aspect. Also, note to mike: even if it were completely rejected eventually, that doesn’t negate the original color science work (devising a new color space) pursued in order to improve image quality by Dolby Labs….something of which mike in his * judgmental wisdom* has labeled “Dolby Vision is a company grasping at relevance.”

Problem is we get to open standards and Uncompressed audio and they want something they can patent, it's that simple.
They are irrelevant bar their shareholders and them needing to make money.
And people ***** at Sony and proprietary formats....

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Problem is we get to open standards....

“We” got to open standards because Dolby actually spearheaded SMPTE standardization of the Open standard ST 2084 as first revealed on any hobbyist forum here back in September 2014.

Following that, and no matter what the product, if a person or company can offer something more elegant and refined (translation - superior) to what the common public gets as a baseline, I think it only fair that there is some compensation for the R&D, otherwise, innovation would become slower by all companies or individuals.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

...Broadcast HDR is taking a bit longer than I expected.

It’s a process that’s resource intensive (people/contributors have other full time jobs to tend to, rather than devoting all their time to servicing standards working groups). Until then, the motion picture industry with its movie content will have to lead the way. And that is moving along more rapidly from color grading suites to even editing tools….http://www.studiodaily.com/2016/01/a...-the-timeline/

However, once everything is accomplished in thee ITU, I see non-cinematic HDR content talking over the reins and charging ahead because so much of the TV content which people watch at home is not in an environment of strictly relatively low ambient lighting levels….football games, basketball, soccer, etc. So the *complication* of dealing with any added increased average luminance by HDR deployment becomes a nonissue, or in fact, will be embraced in venues like peoples’ family rooms on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

“We” got to open standards because Dolby actually spearheaded SMPTE standardization of the Open standard ST 2084 as first revealed on any hobbyist forum here back in September 2014.

Following that, and no matter what the product, if a person or company can offer something more elegant and refined (translation - superior) to what the common public gets as a baseline, I think it only fair that there is some compensation for the R&D, otherwise, innovation would become slower by all companies or individuals.

Translation - opinion

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Following that, and no matter what the product, if a person or company can offer something more elegant and refined (translation - superior) to what the common public gets as a baseline, I think it only fair that there is some compensation for the R&D, otherwise, innovation would become slower by all companies or individuals.

Funny how some consider this an opinion when it's shared by a huge segment of the industry, seeing how fast they've adopted Dolby Vision as their HDR grading standard and delivery method in mastering.

[Kris Deering]

Agreed. It sounds like Mike has a lot of homework to do if can't clearly see why DV is by far the more superior HDR delivery format.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Mike has a lot of homework to do....

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11710128

[Penton-Man]

If educating posts like that ^, prove to be too taxing for mike’s concentration while busy at work, then I like to appeal to his more visceral emotions with short snappy phrases (like he does often to us), audio video clips and pics, e.g.

mike, who’s your (SDR) home deliverable Daddy ?

HDR Timestamp ~ 4 min. 30 sec. and onwards…. http://www.studiodaily.com/2014/04/n...4-video-dolby/

*Flash forward from 2014, readers please note that Baselight isn’t the only color correction system now with a Dolby CMU on its workstation, e.g.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Agreed. It sounds like Mike has a lot of homework to do if can't clearly see why DV is by far the more superior HDR delivery format.

I don't like something and disagree means I am wrong?
Interesting position, oh and that means I can take the position that you are wrong then? Thats good to know.
Funny that other people's opinions threaten you guys so much.
It's kinda sad

[Agent_DVD]

Just got an email from Best Buy - They cancelled my Heart of the Sea UHD order

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I don't like something and disagree means I am wrong?
Interesting position, oh and that means I can take the position that you are wrong then? Thats good to know.
Funny that other people's opinions threaten you guys so much.
It's kinda sad

Absolutely NOTHING wrong with not liking something. I don't have a single issue with your dislike of HDR. Currently I am not the biggest fan either because I am a front projection enthusiast and HDR is definitely NOT being aimed at that sort of playback, and HDR10 only makes it harder (Dolby Vision would actually make HDR implementation on projectors much easier to deal with).

But not liking something is different than saying one form of HDR is better than the other or making statements to that effect when that is simply not the case. It is no way threatens me, but it does point to an underlying issue of misunderstanding the technology. Regardless of whether or not I liked HDR I would want to understand the differences in the available HDR delivery systems and from what I've learned so far there is a pretty substantial difference between HDR10 and DV, with HDR10 essentially being the scraps of DV that Dolby gave out so there was the most basic playback method possible.

None of this is personal Mike, I don't know you so there is no reason for me to take a personal side on this. It is just tech, there are far more important things going on in the world to get personal about trivial stuff like this. So sorry if I offended.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I don't like something and disagree means I am wrong?
Interesting position, oh and that means I can take the position that you are wrong then? Thats good to know.
Funny that other people's opinions threaten you guys so much.
It's kinda sad

Au contraire mon frère . You’re quite well liked as you provide a good sounding board to teach our more silent readers or lurkers about advanced technology.

I’m pretty much indifferent as to whether it’s precipitated by negativity or positivity, just so long as it provides a learning experience for truth and accuracy. Plus, I admire the fact that you and people like Geoff (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11778594) occasionally have the balls to tell it like it is and don't exhibit selective memory loss.

Look, don’t complain, you’ve got a seat at the grownup table (4K Movies Releases thread) where one often discovers or sees things (although you might not understand them at the time) that one can’t get by simple googling, tweeting marketing people, or reading *opinions*. When we’re serious and analytical, much of what’s said here is evidence based and not assumptions based upon incorrect or speculative thinking.

Heads up, see if you can get sponsored by someone or some company for the upcoming Retreat in the U.K. - http://us9.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...&id=cb28f35d0d . You may well learn something new there too.