List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[legends of beyond]

This is a disaster.

Re-releasing movies that just came out is even worse for the format.

[WetCardboard]

Kinda pisses me off the Vizio M series supports Dolby Vision but the X900E doesn't.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by philochs

The plot thickens. Wouldn't that be a b**** if they considered a new version with HDR10+ "remastered"? Now if they went back and decided to make/utilize a 4K DI, and then added HDR10+ or Dolby Vision, that's what I'd consider remastered.

If they put Blade Runner on a 100GB with a new encode, the TrueHD 5.1 track from the Final Cut BD and this fancy new metadata I'd be all over it.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

This is a disaster.

Re-releasing movies that just came out is even worse for the format.

Why? Just because it's HDR10+? Weren't people begging for DV re-releases?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Why? Just because it's HDR10+? Weren't people begging for DV re-releases?

They were indeed, and in the interests of fairness my comments re: Blade Runner also apply to a DV re-release on disc, but (now with my serious hat on) this could cause a HELL of a lot of confusion for consumers. If people have literally just bought a TV and player and Wonder Woman to play on it but then see a 'remastered' 4K version get released soon after which needs a new player and TV to watch it 'remastered' on then they are going to be PISSED.

I've waffled on about having been here before so many times with new formats and TV standards but doing something like this is unprecedented outside of actual technical mistakes, releasing an updated version mere months after the first one. If they want to gussie it up as a special edition with more bonus features and/or an extended cut a la The Martian then that's fine, if still a little cheeky, but if it's literally the same encode with dynamic metadata slapped on it then that doesn't send out a great message, people will stop buying current HDR10-only Warners discs overnight.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

They were indeed, and in the interests of fairness my comments re: Blade Runner also apply to a DV re-release on disc, but with my serious hat on it would cause a HELL of a lot of confusion for consumers. If people have literally just bought a TV and player and Wonder Woman to play on it but then see a 'remastered' 4K version get released soon after which needs a new player and TV to watch it 'remastered' on then they are going to be PISSED.

I've waffled on about having been here before so many times with new formats and TV standards but doing something like this is unprecedented outside of actual technical mistakes, releasing an updated version mere months after the first one. If they want to gussie it up as a special edition with more bonus features and/or an extended cut a la The Martian then that's fine, if still a little cheeky, but if it's literally the same encode with dynamic metadata slapped on it then that doesn't send out a great message, people will stop buying current HDR10-only Warners discs overnight.

I agree that re-releases solely for the purpose of adding dynamic metadata are unlikely, but I can definitely see that being the case for special/re-mastered edition re-releases. Of course, these will be rare, and not the norm.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

They were indeed, and in the interests of fairness my comments re: Blade Runner also apply to a DV re-release on disc, but (now with my serious hat on) this could cause a HELL of a lot of confusion for consumers. If people have literally just bought a TV and player and Wonder Woman to play on it but then see a 'remastered' 4K version get released soon after which needs a new player and TV to watch it 'remastered' on then they are going to be PISSED.

I've waffled on about having been here before so many times with new formats and TV standards but doing something like this is unprecedented outside of actual technical mistakes, releasing an updated version mere months after the first one. If they want to gussie it up as a special edition with more bonus features and/or an extended cut a la The Martian then that's fine, if still a little cheeky, but if it's literally the same encode with dynamic metadata slapped on it then that doesn't send out a great message, people will stop buying current HDR10-only Warners discs overnight.

Only way I want re-releases, is if it's for better encodes for native 4K content (your complaints of Blade Runner come to mind)--or if they're re-releasing 2K-DIs, that have been reworked to 4K-DIs, ala 'The Martian.'

>HDR10

>Dolby Vision

>HDR10+

>Technicolor HDR

>Phillips HDR

and I'm sure a growing list of proprietary HDR formats that I'll bet studios like Sony and others, will inevitably coin themselves, I'm to the point where I couldn't care less which HDR formats are included on disc, as long as we get proper, quality encodes.

With the announcement of players, like the new Panasonic UHD player coming out, using an HDR-optimizer, on top of LG's own dynamic metadata algorithm for HDR content, it's starting to make this whole 'format war' tired and boring, real quick.

[Geoff D]

Aye, if they were to give Wondy a proper 4K rebuild then that would be worth it for sure.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by WetCardboard

Kinda pisses me off the Vizio M series supports Dolby Vision but the X900E doesn't.

Sony just announced the X900F with Dolby Vision in tandem with the new Sony UBP-X700 Blu-ray disc player, which will receive a Dolby Vision FW update this summer. I expect this combo to be a volume seller and allow them to better compete with TCL and Vizio in the US.

Most of Sony's cutting-edge premium offerings will wait on their new chip, which will support HDMI 2.1 and provide a future road map to 8K, so we'll know more about their plans for late 2018/2019 by this summer.

Regardless, HDR10+ support was not announced for any Sony products.

LG, TCL, Hisense have also passed on HDR10+ support in any of their 2018 CES product announcements, and Vizio is expected to also pass on HDR10+ support for 2018.

All of the above are all in for Dolby Vision.

Samsung may have thrown a few bucks at WB to pay for a PR release, and I don't know of anyone who has actually confirmed HDR10+ support for Prime streaming, but that is only because support seems fairly limited to a handful of sets, or have confirmed HDR10+ support for physical media by actual title availability.

A list of UHD discs that contain HDR10+ support?

Zero as of right now.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Samsung may have thrown a few bucks at WB to pay for a PR release, and I don't know of anyone who has actually confirmed HDR10+ support for Prime streaming, but that is only because support seems fairly limited to a handful of sets, or have confirmed HDR10+ support for physical media by actual title availability.

A list of UHD discs that contain HDR10+ support?

Zero as of right now.

The salt.



HDR10+ was literally just added to the UHD BD spec a couple of weeks ago. How long after DV was added were DV discs confirmed by studios or actually released? Or, how long after DV was added were DV capable blu ray players available? I don't think you want to answer that, for reasons that are obvious to everyone. Meanwhile, there are already a couple HDR10+ capable players from Panasonic, with a couple more coming from Samsung.

This reaction was 100% expected, by the way.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

HDR10+ was literally just added to the UHD BD spec a couple of weeks ago. How long after DV was added were DV discs confirmed by studios or actually released? Or, how long after DV was added were DV capable blu ray players available? I don't think you want to answer that, for reasons that are obvious to everyone. Meanwhile, there are already a couple HDR10+ capable players from Panasonic, with a couple more coming from Samsung.

Word out of Vegas is that Samsung spent a minute or two discussing TVs and the rest about washing machines and Bixby.

I'm not sure what's going on out there in SK other than the Samsung heir under arrest for corruption, but whatever it is, the $3 per set they're not paying Dolby is nothing compared to the market share they have lost, especially to LG and OLED here in the US.

But, I don't have a dog in this hunt. If WB refuses to release discs with DV, I'll simply stop buying their discs and watch WB content with DV on the Apple TV.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

But, I don't have a dog in this hunt. If WB refuses to release discs with DV, I'll simply stop buying their discs and watch WB content with DV on the Apple TV.

Cool story.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

This is a disaster.

Re-releasing movies that just came out is even worse for the format.

Didn't seem to be a 'disaster' for blu-ray. Lots of people snapped up all the mpeg-2 releases in the first 2 years, hell even VC-1 held on longer and later. People had to decide whether to double dip for the superior AVC encodes w/the better compression that came out in different regions if not locally.

This is the same. Pretty sure LaserDisc and DVD had the same things. Like movies first came out in stereo even though a surround mix existed or would in a re-release. Or the framing was not proper letterbox til years into DVD being a thing.

[555SD]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

The salt.



HDR10+ was literally just added to the UHD BD spec a couple of weeks ago. How long after DV was added were DV discs confirmed by studios or actually released? Or, how long after DV was added were DV capable blu ray players available? I don't think you want to answer that, for reasons that are obvious to everyone. Meanwhile, there are already a couple HDR10+ capable players from Panasonic, with a couple more coming from Samsung.

This reaction was 100% expected, by the way.

As was this reaction to the reaction.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If they put Blade Runner on a 100GB with a new encode, the TrueHD 5.1 track from the Final Cut BD and this fancy new metadata I'd be all over it.

That does sound good, my problem is only if they are calling such a release "remastered".

[Aidenag]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Another potential candidate is "It", since it will apparently be getting a director's cut re-release.

I can't imagine they would release the directors cut of IT in hdr10+ since the theatrical release is already dolby. Why downgrade the directors cut to 10 bit?

[LoSouL]

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[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Aidenag

I can't imagine they would release the directors cut of IT in hdr10+ since the theatrical release is already dolby. Why downgrade the directors cut to 10 bit?

Theatrical grades are different from those on disc. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

[Aidenag]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Theatrical grades are different from those on disc. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I guess i wasnt clear enough, i was talking about the disc out this week in dolby. E.g. the theatrical release uhd.. cant see them releasing a directors cut that isnt as future proofed as the already released theatrical version.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Aidenag

I guess i wasnt clear enough, i was talking about the disc out this week in dolby. E.g. the theatrical release uhd...

Oh, then the answer is easy. WB has dropped DV in favor of HDR10+. That's why any re-release would have HDR10+ on it, and not DV.