List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[Owenjohnston]

Originally Posted by mothandras

Apparently you haven't seen the right QLED in the right room. It is funny cause your OLED can't get brighter than 600 nits for more than a second. When your TV is riddled with IR/BI and slowly gets dimmer over time.. I will still be watching 1400 nit awesomeness in any light condition.

Does that come with free sunglasses?! I watch OLED at 200 - 300 nits in a room with 3 windows and I couldn't tolerate the brightness being any higher.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Vincent Teoh’s recent HDR10/HDR10+ analysis, pretty much concludes that there’s a negligible difference between the two.

If people took Ralph Potts’ review at face value when he said there wasn’t a noticeable difference between HDR10 and Dolby Vision, then people are really going to be disappointed to find out that the dynamic metadata in HDR10+, doesn’t do enough to warrant being an alternative to Dolby Vision.

Nope.

That was barely a controlled enviroment, plus there were videos at the same point of life where DV showed barely any diffrence.
It all depends on screens and titles.
But your bias flag is flying, it will look like DV it will help some TV's that need it on some titles more than others.
Shocking news.

[Geoff D]

He's got a bias flag, you've got a bias flag, we've all got a bias flag

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

He's got a bias flag, you've got a bias flag, we've all got a bias flag

In comes Geoffy to save the day and talk sense

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

In comes Geoffy to save the day and talk sense

oh I've got plenty of biases, I'm no saint

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

In comes Geoffy to save the day and talk sense

My only bias is towards fanboys.
I don't care either way.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

In comes Geoffy to save the day and talk sense

He has a bias for HDR10 lol

[Geoff D]

Damned right.

[kristoffer]

I wonder if GITS 2 looks better in HDR 10+...

[Geoff D]

Dynamic metadata will do nothing to rectify a severely DNR'ed source.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Nope.

That was barely a controlled enviroment, plus there were videos at the same point of life where DV showed barely any diffrence.
It all depends on screens and titles.
But your bias flag is flying, it will look like DV it will help some TV's that need it on some titles more than others.
Shocking news.

Vincent actually clearly stated that the difference he has seen between HDR10 vs Dolby Vision is greater than the one he noticed between HDR10 vs HDR10+.

Also, as far as I am aware, no one on the planet has experienced 100% identical picture quality between any HDR10 content when compared to its Dolby Vision counterpart, like Vincent did when he compared the HDR10 vs HDR10+ on A Beautiful Planet. There's always some benefit with Dolby Vision, regardless of how subtle, whether it's greater specular highlight detail, greater shadow detail, more vibrant colors, fewer compression artifacts, etc.

[avs commenter]

DV uses ICtCp to improve chroma subsampling. HDR10+ does not.

But obviously, the TV is the biggest factor in seeing any difference. I can see the benefit of DV vs HDR10. But I also have a mid level HDR TV where DV is going to help more than with the top of line Panasonics that Vincent uses.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

DV uses ICtCp to improve chroma subsampling. HDR10+ does not.

But obviously, the TV is the biggest factor in seeing any difference. I can see the benefit of DV vs HDR10. But I also have a mid level HDR TV where DV is going to help more than with the top of line Panasonics that Vincent uses.

DV is not encoded in ICtCp on disc. The Display Management may well employ it as part of its post-processing for YCbCr encoded DV content but I've never seen that confirmed by insiders.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

DV uses ICtCp to improve chroma subsampling. HDR10+ does not.

But obviously, the TV is the biggest factor in seeing any difference. I can see the benefit of DV vs HDR10. But I also have a mid level HDR TV where DV is going to help more than with the top of line Panasonics that Vincent uses.

Currently, I don't believe any DV discs have used ICtCp so far.

It would be nice if they did.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

In comes Geoffy to save the day and talk sense

someone mentioned 'GeoffyVision' awhile back - THAT'S what I'm looking forward to seeing

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Nope.

That was barely a controlled enviroment, plus there were videos at the same point of life where DV showed barely any diffrence.
It all depends on screens and titles.
But your bias flag is flying, it will look like DV it will help some TV's that need it on some titles more than others.
Shocking news.

Lmao I have no bias.

My OPPO forces HDR10 since DV on disc is broken as ****.

All I did was make a point how so many people downplayed the difference between HDR10 and DV, which I personally don’t care if there’s a difference or not until DV on disc gets fixed.

But here we are with Vincent, objectively pointing out that there’s definitely no leap from HDR10 to HDR10+, and now, people all of a sudden have a bias.

OK.

Except for the fact I haven’t been involved in any HDR debates for like the last year.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

DV on disc is broken as ****

Yet it (somehow) works for me...

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Vincent actually clearly stated that the difference he has seen between HDR10 vs Dolby Vision is greater than the one he noticed between HDR10 vs HDR10+.

Also, as far as I am aware, no one on the planet has experienced 100% identical picture quality between any HDR10 content when compared to its Dolby Vision counterpart, like Vincent did when he compared the HDR10 vs HDR10+ on A Beautiful Planet. There's always some benefit with Dolby Vision, regardless of how subtle, whether it's greater specular highlight detail, greater shadow detail, more vibrant colors, fewer compression artifacts, etc.

He would, also his test was totally unscientific and he also tests DV on an OLED and they need DV

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

He would, also his test was totally unscientific and he also tests DV on an OLED and they need DV

If I still had my 2016 OLED I would agree but on the newer OLEDs the difference is far less apparent. I've said this before but I think that within a few years both HDR10+ and DV will be borderline irrelevant on higher end TVs of all varieties as dynamic tone mapping features improve.

[David M]

Regarding any comparisons between HDR10+ and Dolby Vision: to make this worthwhile you'd need to compare the same title in formats. That might be hard to come by because I don't think there is an example of a Dolby Vision title being converted to HDR10+, or vice versa.

Comparing HDR to HDR10+ *is* valid.

Edited March 2, 2019: Vincent didn't compare HDR10 to Dolby Vision. His video was comparing HDR10 to HDR10+, which IS a valid comparison.