Which buying decision would you recommend?

[Penton-Man]

ADWyatt, I do agree with everything you’ve said, except for this –

Originally Posted by ADWyatt

As for myself, I love a good movie, and I enjoy watching sports. (As I'm sure you'll agree, there can be no such thing as an official World Series unless the New York Yankees are in it.)

Full disclosure - I’m originally from….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...re#post9618755 so I may be biased given that as avid fans over the course of several years, my Dad and I (a young whippersnapper at the time) would walk starting from around Johns Hopkins all the way to Memorial Stadium to watch our Colts and Orioles during regular and post season play, visual illustration -




especially to watch someone like Brooks…

Roy Firestone talks about Brooks Robinson - YouTube

Originally Posted by ADWyatt

At my age of 65, I need to constantly "strain the brain" to prevent premature mental deterioration.

Tell it brother , mental exercise is good as there is much scientific evidence to suggest that exercising the mind as well as the body can help reduce the risk of some types of cognitive impairment as we get long in the tooth. *Use or it lose it*.

Originally Posted by ADWyatt

Penton-Man, thank you for your thoughtful reply to my last post. Although we're in danger of leaving the main track for an alternate destination, quite apart from my original theme post...

You’re welcome . When I have more time to devote, I’ll try to type up and post my humble perspective about consumer grade TVs and home entertainment with regards to one value feature what I consider to be a significant, but rather underappreciated parameter by some videophiles during their quest in buying a new TV.

[supersix4]

I'm sitting less than 8feet away from a 65'' UHD samsung, and having had a 55'' c8000 which was top of the line in late 2010 for samsung.

I would say it is NOT worth upgrading and unless you really want bigger size stick to a budget 1080p set.

If I was allowed to have the sets in my room for 2 weeks I'd say that while its great and there are some new features I really enjoy and I could find real value in upgrading if prices were closer but it is not worth the premium regardless of budget at the moment unless you really need a tv.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by supersix4

I'm sitting less than 8feet away from a 65'' UHD samsung, and having had a 55'' c8000 which was top of the line in late 2010 for samsung.

I would say it is NOT worth upgrading and unless you really want bigger size stick to a budget 1080p set.

If I was allowed to have the sets in my room for 2 weeks I'd say that while its great and there are some new features I really enjoy and I could find real value in upgrading if prices were closer but it is not worth the premium regardless of budget at the moment unless you really need a tv.

I would also add that once hitting 1080p and above for films all the other factors are more important imho (black levels, contrast etc). The resolution bump will be nice but in terms of how the picture looks overall resolution is now only one very small part of the equation.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I suggest consumers in the market for a new TV put at least a little more thought into more innovative ways to enable purchasing a larger-sized TV…because size does matter.

Whilst largely true I have both a front projector and 65vt60. I do more or less all my viewing in a dark room and for over two months now have exclusively used my plasma as for myself the picture quality boost trumps the size boost (and I have yet to see a sub $10,000 projector that satisfies to the same degree). Of course both would be best, but it isn't just bigger = better.

I for one also hate viewing films in imax that where not shoot in imax. They just look blurry and for myself are far better viewed in a normal (much smaller) cinema.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Whilst largely true I have both a front projector and 65vt60. I do more or less all my viewing in a dark room and for over two months now have exclusively used my plasma as for myself the picture quality boost trumps the size boost (and I have yet to see a sub $10,000 projector that satisfies to the same degree). Of course both would be best, but it isn't just bigger = better.

Point is, many folks who frequent A/V consumer websites feel that PQ overwhelmingly trumps ‘size’, with the later (at least until 4K displays arrived on scene), rarely mentioned or discussed with the same vigor as ‘blacks’, contrast ratio, etc. Lucky for such personality types, they don’t view daily 10bit 4:2:2 source (or better) like those who work in the post house industry and then would have to come home and watch anything on TV (be it Blu-ray, cable, OTT, etc.) for I fear they could not deal with it.

I’m saying that ‘size’ is undervalued in the *videophile world* (even in HD rez) despite the science of the HVS and clear anecdotal preference as to its true value expressed by the common man and woman.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Point is, many folks who frequent A/V consumer websites feel that PQ overwhelmingly trumps ‘size’, with the later (at least until 4K displays arrived on scene), rarely mentioned or discussed with the same vigor as ‘blacks’, contrast ratio, etc. Lucky for such personality types, they don’t view daily 10bit 4:2:2 source (or better) like those who work in the post house industry and then would have to come home and watch anything on TV (be it Blu-ray, cable, OTT, etc.) for I fear they could not deal with it.

I’m saying that ‘size’ is undervalued in the *videophile world* (even in HD rez) despite the science of the HVS and clear anecdotal preference as to its true value expressed by the common man and woman.

Not to sure about in the videophile world as I only stick my head in occasionally (then run away screaming in terror ). I would say the general population over values screen size though. Videophiles by their very nature I can see being more concerned about pq then size though. As for working in the industry I see your point but it is somewhat irrelevant in many ways as it is always the best of what you can get, which is of course limited by availability in the giving market along with ones financial situation.

I will say I have seen a film (projected via 2k digital projection and 35mm) then gone home and watched the same thing on blu-ray to compare and found it to look better at home (and this is a very nice cinema not an 'average' one). Now part of that is no doubt what I value in a picture, but cinemas contrast really make the image bland in comparison (it isn't a massive difference but enough to outweigh the other benefits [motion of the 4k dlp's projecting 2k images is simply unmatched]). As for professional monitors, I have zero experience with them but have no doubt that they look amazing.

I don't mean to size isn't important at all, just that to certain levels I am happy to have my chairs setup closer to the screen (to get the same relative screen size) and sacrifice the actual size for increased pq. The first time I was willing to do this was with a 65" screen though.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Not to sure about in the videophile world as I only stick my head in occasionally (then run away screaming in terror )...

lol, I see you are not interested in developing or feeding any OCD compulsion….smart man.

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

I will say I have seen a film (projected via 2k digital projection and 35mm) then gone home and watched the same thing on blu-ray to compare and found it to look better at home (and this is a very nice cinema not an 'average' one). Now part of that is no doubt what I value in a picture, but cinemas contrast really make the image bland in comparison (it isn't a massive difference but enough to outweigh the other benefits [motion of the 4k dlp's projecting 2k images is simply unmatched])...

Most digital projectors installed now in theaters are in the 2000-2500:1 contrast ratio range. There are some next gen projectors which will improve upon that.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

When I have more time to devote, I’ll try to type up and post my humble perspective about consumer grade TVs and home entertainment with regards to one value feature what I consider to be a significant, but rather underappreciated parameter by some videophiles during their quest in buying a new TV.

I’m referring to ‘realness’ along with the sensation of actually being there (in the time and place of the movie or feeling like you’re present at the sporting venue, etc.) rather than ‘watching’ a screen or device (TV). In a nutshell, SIZE significantly matters and I think it’s afforded relatively little attention by social media video bloggers and TV reviewers…except perhaps by those front projection aficionados.

Viewing a larger image (either by getting a larger TV, or moving your seating closer to a 4K tv) will occupy a greater proportion of one’s retina (http://www.ic-at.org/papers/91117.pdf ) and thusly provide a greater sense of being there, a value feature which is dismissed or at least seemingly downplayed by videophiles in their decision-making process in the purchase of a new TV….despite the evidence of testing from NHK showing the value of this parameter in an increasing fashion up to at least 77 degrees (FOV angle).

Joe6pack might be rather clueless about things like contrast ratios, bit depth, color saturation, etc. (just like consumer forum OLED videophiles and ‘professional consumer TV reviewers’ are rather uninformed as to the effect of narrow spectral emission on the colors of what are considered to be zee very best OLEDs manufactured (Sony professional grade monitors used in post houses) and the inaccurate white point calibration based on probe measurable data producing matching problems between different displays), but technical wherewithal aside, Joe6pack’s eyes don’t lie when it comes to his visceral sense of watching a display device for the best home entertainment experience…..and he/she likes BIG.

Bottom line, before quickly, automatically defaulting to a certain sized TV in your purchasing mindset for your viewing pleasure, if several brands/models of displays are roughly equal in terms of picture quality and you’re not the troubled obsessive-compulsive type that searches for, or mentally over exaggerates the relative video merits and deficiencies of different display technologies and models, I suggest consumers in the market for a new TV put at least a little more thought into more innovative ways to enable purchasing a larger-sized TV…because size does matter.

For example, short of buying a front projector… putting off a purchase a few months in order to save more money to buy a bigger TV, moving the location of/or purchasing a different TV stand, innovative interior decorating directed towards switching around furniture or even buying a new sectional, coffee table, etc.

I know several people (and their wives) who never thought a 70” or 80” TV would ‘fit’ with their living space but once the husband put some effort into trying to make it all work by checking out contemporary furniture showrooms (in one case even hiring an interior decorator from here - http://cantoni.com/modern-furniture-store/ because he felt he needed help) and stopped devoting all their time exclusively to analyzing advertised picture quality TV specs on the internet, they became exceedingly happy with their larger-sized choice and the new, more modern interior decorating look to that room in their home.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Viewing a larger image...

Now, to provide an even greater ‘sense of being there’ over HD, combine a larger panel size along with the greater picture real estate of 4K acquisition by shooting at more than a short depth of field (essentially affording a wider camera angle with at least the same degree of detail as HD capture) and you’ll get a *double wow-ee* effect, like so… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ne#post9146116