BDs That Are Out of Print (OOP)

[houseca]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Good luck making that list. I wouldn’t touch it with a 50 ft. cattle prod.

Oh come on now! There is nothing wrong with discussing and making a list of some of the more popular films that many demographic groups may find offensive in these times, and thus could be at risk of being censored. We are already seeing it, and it could help many collectors like myself to grab blu-rays while we can, instead of regretting not doing so later.

[HotTastyChili]

Originally Posted by ShellBeacher

Re: BLAZING SADDLES: The indication seems to be that HBOMAX *also* pulled this title the day they were supposed to begin broadcasting it, July 1st (at least one person claimed it was on HBOMAX for some of the day).

Are these people aware that the screenplay was co-written by a black man (Richard Pryor)? It couldn't be any clearer that the racist attitudes in the film are satirical, and that the racists are the butt of the joke.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by houseca

Oh come on now! There is nothing wrong with discussing and making a list of some of the more popular films that many demographic groups may find offensive in these times, and thus could be at risk of being censored. We are already seeing it, and it could help many collectors like myself to grab blu-rays while we can, instead of regretting not doing so later.

It's impossible to make a list of what somebody will find offensive, because everybody is offended by different things, whether it's meant to be offensive or not. By the time you make a list, it'll already need updating. When you update it, it will already need to be updated 10x over. Nothing yesterday isn't offensive today, nothing today won't be offensive tomorrow.

Originally Posted by HotTastyChili

Are these people aware that the screenplay was co-written by a black man (Richard Pryor)? It couldn't be any clearer that the racist attitudes in the film are satirical, and that the racists are the butt of the joke.

You're trying to apply logical thinking to reactionary decisions, it's not going to work... lol

[Chris93ny]

I’d keep an eye on the death wish collection of three movies I saw a fox logo on the back and I don’t see those getting a re-release especially since most people only seem to like the first one and I believe paramount has that one and most stores don’t have it avail except for Hamilton books but you can still find it for $20 on eBay

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Paramount recently reissued their Blu of the first Death Wish, and the Death Wish sequels are MGM though Fox handled the Blus of III-IV for MGM. Death Wish II was put out by Shout under licence from MGM in both R and Unrated cuts, but is slated to go OOP soon so i'd nab that one ASAP.

New editions of III & IV are believed to be coming from Scorpion, not sure who has V though.

[noiradelic]

Originally Posted by kevin87

It's impossible to make a list of what somebody will find offensive, because everybody is offended by different things, whether it's meant to be offensive or not. By the time you make a list, it'll already need updating. When you update it, it will already need to be updated 10x over. Nothing yesterday isn't offensive today, nothing today won't be offensive tomorrow.

Whoa! How'd we get from two movies and a TV show to every movie ever made?

All we know for sure is:

1. HBOMax temporarily took down GWTW to add context.
2. HBOMax PROBABLY decided not to add Blazing Saddles to their platform.
3. NBC took down 4 episodes of 30 Rock from streaming platforms because Tina Fey and the showrunner asked them to.

A majority of members here seem to think that GWTW is not OOP, but sold out online, partly due to panic-buying. Blazing Saddles is Fox, so it being OOP probably has nothing to do with its content (except maybe some panic-buying). Disney probably won't rerelease it, but then they may not rerelease a lot of movies because of sales or clashes with their brand.

Housa obviously only meant a list of films that actually have a reasonable chance of being taken out of circulation. It would only include in-print BDs the major studios put out as of April, because boutique labels aren't owned by big corporations and therefore less controversy-averse (for some, provocative movies are their bread-and-butter). Since the two effected films and TV series are only in relation to anti-black racism, it would only include films that could be construed as anti-black racist. That narrows things down a helluva a lot, especially since the studios haven't put out that many pre-1965 films on BD to begin with.

I'm not advocating for a list, just pointing out it'd be a pretty short one.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by noiradelic

Whoa! How'd we get from two movies and a TV show to every movie ever made?

All we know for sure is:

1. HBOMax temporarily took down GWTW to add context.
2. HBOMax PROBABLY decided not to add Blazing Saddles to their platform.
3. NBC took down 4 episodes of 30 Rock from streaming platforms because Tina Fey and the showrunner asked them to.

A majority of members here seem to think that GWTW is not OOP, but sold out online, partly due to panic-buying. Blazing Saddles is Fox, so it being OOP probably has nothing to do with its content (except maybe some panic-buying). Disney probably won't rerelease it, but then they may not rerelease a lot of movies because of sales or clashes with their brand.

Housa obviously only meant a list of films that actually have a reasonable chance of being taken out of circulation. It would only include in-print BDs the major studios put out as of April, because boutique labels aren't owned by big corporations and therefore less controversy-averse (for some, provocative movies are their bread-and-butter). Since the two effected films and TV series are only in relation to anti-black racism, it would only include films that could be construed as anti-black racist. That narrows things down a helluva a lot, especially since the studios haven't put out that many pre-1965 films on BD to begin with.

I'm not advocating for a list, just pointing out it'd be a pretty short one.

Sony pulled an episode of Community where an Asian-American actor had on pitch black body paint, not as a racist joke but to be a "dark elf" while they played D&D which wasn't meant to be a dig at black people, because it's an ELF... so the list wouldn't actually be very short, because even within a demographic, people will be offended by different thing. There's no real way to be "reasonable" with that, you feel how you feel.

It's been a while since I've seen 30 Rock and haven't gotten to them on the BD set yet, so the episodes in question aren't fresh on my mind, but from what I've heard the episodes were done to show why it was bad, yet they still pulled them when they didn't need to. Had it been done maliciously to offend somebody, then yeah those should've been pulled. But that wasn't the context. They also had Rachel Dratch in tan body makeup to be change her skintone to be a Mexican housekeeper complete with accent, but nobody pulled that episode. Pulling them was likely done as a reactionary measure to current events to try and get ahead of any controversy with Peacock starting soon. NBC also pulled an episode of The Office.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by noiradelic

Whoa! How'd we get from two movies and a TV show to every movie ever made?

All we know for sure is:

1. HBOMax temporarily took down GWTW to add context.
2. HBOMax PROBABLY decided not to add Blazing Saddles to their platform.
3. NBC took down 4 episodes of 30 Rock from streaming platforms because Tina Fey and the showrunner asked them to.

Don't forget this extremely petty incident too

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

I think TCM quietly bumped this from a scheduled 4AM airing on June 20th, lol.



June 3rd https://web.archive.org/web/20200603...vmonthschedule

June 6th https://web.archive.org/web/20200606...vmonthschedule

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

The movie has a wonderful message about acceptance, and then whizzes it down its leg.

[Show spoiler]Shrek is an ogre; Fiona isn't. But there's an undeniable connection between them. They love each other, regardless of their physical appearances. A great message for any movie, especially one that a lot of children have seen. And then, at the last minute, it's revealed that Fiona is also an ogre. The entire "loving someone even if they are different from you" message goes down the drain. Now the message becomes, "love works when the other person is just like you".

That disgusts me. Why even begin with that message if you're just going to abandon it?

Funny you should say that. I've always disliked the notion of Deckard being a replicant for much the same reason.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Torrente

And what about Superman, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of...man_of_Kleenex

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by jayembee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of...man_of_Kleenex

Awesome!!! Thank you

[houseca]

Originally Posted by kevin87

It's impossible to make a list of what somebody will find offensive, because everybody is offended by different things, whether it's meant to be offensive or not. By the time you make a list, it'll already need updating. When you update it, it will already need to be updated 10x over. Nothing yesterday isn't offensive today, nothing today won't be offensive tomorrow.

No, this is not what I meant... just a relatively small list of films that may be at risk.... NOT trying to make a complete list of all films that could be considered offensive.... just like Noiradelic said. You read my post completely wrong.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by houseca

No, this is not what I meant... just a relatively small list of films that may be at risk.... NOT trying to make a complete list of all films that could be considered offensive.... just like Noiradelic said. You read my post completely wrong.

And I think you may have read mine wrong, because my point is that if somebody finds something offensive in this day and age, it's going to be at risk. The episode of Community that got pulled wasn't even about people, it was about a mythical creature from D&D...

[Mr. Romberg]

The Jazz Singer (1927) Digibook looks OOP.

[ElectricPeterTork]

Originally Posted by noiradelic

Whoa! How'd we get from two movies and a TV show to every movie ever made?

All we know for sure is:

1. HBOMax temporarily took down GWTW to add context.
2. HBOMax PROBABLY decided not to add Blazing Saddles to their platform.
3. NBC took down 4 episodes of 30 Rock from streaming platforms because Tina Fey and the showrunner asked them to.

A majority of members here seem to think that GWTW is not OOP, but sold out online, partly due to panic-buying. Blazing Saddles is Fox, so it being OOP probably has nothing to do with its content (except maybe some panic-buying). Disney probably won't rerelease it, but then they may not rerelease a lot of movies because of sales or clashes with their brand.

Blazing Saddles is distributed by WB. It was in the Fox Mel Brooks collection by special agreement. But the single disc has always been WB.

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by jayembee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of...man_of_Kleenex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqwUdp5-2D8

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqwUdp5-2D8

I was thinking of this exact scene when I said that.
I couldn't imagine someone even wrote an essay about it. This "time and age" are truly great

[noiradelic]

Originally Posted by kevin87

Sony pulled an episode of Community where an Asian-American actor had on pitch black body paint, not as a racist joke but to be a "dark elf" while they played D&D which wasn't meant to be a dig at black people, because it's an ELF...

I was going only by movies and a TV series that people mentioned in this thread. I haven't been trawling the internet looking for examples, so am not aware of every little instance.

so the list wouldn't actually be very short

One episode out of a six-season series getting pulled isn't exactly going to make a list long.

they still pulled them when they didn't need to.

Tina Fey and the showrunner asked them to be be pulled.

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

I think TCM quietly bumped this from a scheduled 4AM airing on June 20th, lol.

I don't remember the New Centurions well, so I don't know what the potential issue would be (read the book too, but don't remember it well either). Is it possible it got bumped for another reason? Not the first time TCM's bumped something. Even if it was bumped because of the current climate, we couldn't add The New Centurions to the list because it was already OOP. Fortunately it's still available from Indicator region-free, and they're not going to pull it for any reason other poor sales or the license expiring.

Originally Posted by kevin87

my point is that if somebody finds something offensive in this day and age, it's going to be at risk. The episode of Community that got pulled wasn't even about people, it was about a mythical creature from D&D...

If by day and age you mean since when the protests started in late May, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Only movies/episodes associated with anti-black racism have been impacted. No evidence of any other reasons and the best concrete example of this I can come up with at this moment is yours:

Originally Posted by kevin87

They also had Rachel Dratch in tan body makeup to be change her skintone to be a Mexican housekeeper complete with accent, but nobody pulled that episode.

GWTW - Anti-black racism (arguably sexist too, but that's not why HBOMax temporarily took it down)
Blazing Saddles - A satirical immersion into racism that might be discomfiting to some people despite the anti-racist message.
30 Rock - 4 episodes have blackface
Community - 1 episode has unintentional blackface

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by noiradelic

Is it possible it got bumped for another reason? Not the first time TCM's bumped something.

To take the range from 6/3 to 6/6, this happened as few as 3 days and as many as 6 days from the cancellation of Cops (Live PD canceled 2 days after that). Awfully convenient for TCM to happen to have sudden source/rights issue with "The Cop Movie based on a book by a cop" in those 3-6 days imo.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by noiradelic

I was going only by movies and a TV series that people mentioned in this thread. I haven't been trawling the internet looking for examples, so am not aware of every little instance.


One episode out of a six-season series getting pulled isn't exactly going to make a list long.


Tina Fey and the showrunner asked them to be be pulled.


I don't remember the New Centurions well, so I don't know what the potential issue would be (read the book too, but don't remember it well either). Is it possible it got bumped for another reason? Not the first time TCM's bumped something. Even if it was bumped because of the current climate, we couldn't add The New Centurions to the list because it was already OOP. Fortunately it's still available from Indicator region-free, and they're not going to pull it for any reason other poor sales or the license expiring.


If by day and age you mean since when the protests started in late May, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Only movies/episodes associated with anti-black racism have been impacted. No evidence of any other reasons and the best concrete example of this I can come up with at this moment is yours:



GWTW - Anti-black racism (arguably sexist too, but that's not why HBOMax temporarily took it down)
Blazing Saddles - A satirical immersion into racism that might be discomfiting to some people despite the anti-racist message.
30 Rock - 4 episodes have blackface
Community - 1 episode has unintentional blackface

I'm aware that Tina Fey and Robert Carlock asked them to remove the episodes, but again, they didn't need to because from what has been said about the episodes (which I haven't made it to yet on my BD viewing), they weren't condoning blackface, it was saying WHY it was bad. If Peacock wasn't launching soon and the The Office and 30 Rock being two of the big franchises for it, they probably wouldn't have been pulling them. I didn't go looking for examples, I've just been paying attention to what's being pulled as they pull them. It may be racism aimed at the black community for now, but racism isn't just toward the one group so I'd be surprised if the intense scrutiny doesn't expand to other groups as well, which brings me back to the point of my two previous posts: nothing is "safe" because people are offended by different things.