BDs That Are Out of Print (OOP)

[AFFanAttic]

Originally Posted by houseca

I believe Bowfinger is still OOP, but it appears around 30 copies total among 3rd party sellers are available on Amazon and ebay for around $10. Get them while they are available if you are looking for a copy. It is in-stock at Deep Discount as well (with 10% coupon).

Running over to eBay to grab this like

[Show spoiler]

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by danny24

Don't get the reason for putting this one OOP as well.

Warners has randomly been putting a lot of their old 1980s and 1990s catalog titles OOP. I think it's just that demand is so low for these deep catalog titles that whenever they sell off existing stock, it's not worth the effort to reprint them to sell one copy a month or something.

Putting something out of print is actually kind of the wrong term, because it implies an active choice. Allowing something to go OOP is probably a better term, because it's an entirely passive choice. It's keeping something in print that's actually active and requires emails to be sent and various people to approve it and new stock to be pressed in Mexico, where there are waits for the available machines, and then to be shipped to warehouses and distributors in the US, etc. All that effort is only worth it if the title will sell enough copies to cover expenses.

[houseca]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Warners has randomly been putting a lot of their old 1980s and 1990s catalog titles OOP. I think it's just that demand is so low for these deep catalog titles that whenever they sell off existing stock, it's not worth the effort to reprint them to sell one copy a month or something.

Putting something out of print is actually kind of the wrong term, because it implies an active choice. Allowing something to go OOP is probably a better term, because it's an entirely passive choice. It's keeping something in print that's actually active and requires emails to be sent and various people to approve it and new stock to be pressed in Mexico, where there are waits for the available machines, and then to be shipped to warehouses and distributors in the US, etc. All that effort is only worth it if the title will sell enough copies to cover expenses.

Yes, "Allowing it to go OOP" is correct, but I kind of prefer "laying it to rest"... but if I'm really pissed, I will use the term "giving it the axe!"

[joonskeezle]

Originally Posted by AFFanAttic

Running over to eBay to grab this like

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"Hmm, I can get one of the several new copies for 15 bucks or so, or I can grab that used one that's listed for 75. CHOICES CHOICES."

Yeah. There's a used copy listed for 75. Someone must be living six months in the future.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by joonskeezle

"Hmm, I can get one of the several new copies for 15 bucks or so, or I can grab that used one that's listed for 75. CHOICES CHOICES."

Yeah. There's a used copy listed for 75. Someone must be living six months in the future.

That happened to me with a dvd years ago. I put it up for a price no one would pay, but I would let go for, since I kind of wanted to keep it. I also didn't like it much so I figured this was a good medium.

6 months later I get a notice saying it sold. Go on Ebay and sure enough, my stupid high price of $75 was now cheap compared to others. I forgot I even had it listed until the notice. That was Two Lane Blacktop LE tin dvd, still never picked up the BD or bothered to watch it again since.

[Torrente]

... which is sad because this movie's awesome!

Every home should have one

[noiradelic]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Putting something out of print is actually kind of the wrong term, because it implies an active choice. Allowing something to go OOP is probably a better term, because it's an entirely passive choice. It's keeping something in print that's actually active and requires emails to be sent and various people to approve it and new stock to be pressed in Mexico, where there are waits for the available machines, and then to be shipped to warehouses and distributors in the US, etc. All that effort is only worth it if the title will sell enough copies to cover expenses.

Every Blu-ray that's OOP is "allowed" to go OOP unless the rights holder decides against renewing the license. Boutique labels like Masters of Cinema and Kino routinely allow movies to fall OOP when the stock's gone. AFAIK The only company that doesn't allow any of their titles to go OOP voluntarily is Criterion. Putting OOP, Allowing to go OOP, tomayto, tomahto...

[houseca]

Originally Posted by Old Man

Is this oop already? It's no longer listed on the Kino Lorber site and the price is going up on Amazon.

Yes it's definitely OOP. I'm pretty sure someone mentioned it a few weeks ago in this thread.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by noiradelic

Every Blu-ray that's OOP is "allowed" to go OOP unless the rights holder decides against renewing the license. Boutique labels like Masters of Cinema and Kino routinely allow movies to fall OOP when the stock's gone. AFAIK The only company that doesn't allow any of their titles to go OOP voluntarily is Criterion. Putting OOP, Allowing to go OOP, tomayto, tomahto...

My point was that a disc that's OOP because a licensee was only allowed to print 3000 copies, like Twilight Time, or because they only had a window of two years or something, as often happens with the boutique labels, is very different from a studio rightsholder that controls a film in perpetuity simply not pressing more discs because it's not worth the effort.

That's clearly what's happening with the Warners titles. They own those films, they just don't see the profit in pressing more discs.

[noiradelic]

Yeah, but Twilight Time's an outlier, because they essentially chose to go the limited edition route; every single title was a limited edition. A lot of the time, MoC could press another run of the discs they let go OOP if they wanted, they chose not to based on sales. The studios choose to let BDs go OOP based on sales too -- they're just operating on a much bigger scale than MoC.

The bigger boutique labels usually get significantly more than a two year window for their releases. Look at the Hollywood movies Criterion put out on BD 8-10 years ago that are still in print. I've never heard of a studio limiting the number of discs they allow a boutique label to press other than Twilight Time and some limited editions.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by noiradelic

Yeah, but Twilight Time's an outlier, because they essentially chose to go the limited edition route; every single title was a limited edition. A lot of the time, MoC could press another run of the discs they let go OOP if they wanted, they chose not to based on sales. The studios choose to let BDs go OOP based on sales too -- they're just operating on a much bigger scale than MoC.

The bigger boutique labels usually get significantly more than a two year window for their releases. Look at the Hollywood movies Criterion put out on BD 8-10 years ago that are still in print. I've never heard of a studio limiting the number of discs they allow a boutique label to press other than Twilight Time and some limited editions.

I was exaggerating a bit with the two-year window, but again, the point was that boutique labels license titles for a set time. Studios own them forever. There's nothing stopping Warners from pressing more of these missing-in-action titles, except their lack of desire to do so. There are no issues with rights or limited license windows.

[ShellBeacher]

Originally Posted by houseca

I believe Bowfinger is still OOP, but it appears around 30 copies total among 3rd party sellers are available on Amazon and ebay for around $10. Get them while they are available if you are looking for a copy. It is in-stock at Deep Discount as well (with 10% coupon).

Thanks for the heads-up on this! Grabbed one last night from DD's hub on Amazon and overnight...someone's charging $119.99 there! Looks like still in stock over at DeepDiscount, themselves...

[DiscCollector]

If DEEPDISCOUNT suddenly has stock of a title - it's quite likely NOT actually out-of-print after all (or is back-in-press).

We're talking about a MAJOR online retailer here, which gets its stock directly from the absolute largest distributors.

[houseca]

Originally Posted by DiscCollector

If DEEPDISCOUNT suddenly has stock of a title - it's quite likely NOT actually out-of-print after all (or is back-in-press).

We're talking about a MAJOR online retailer here, which gets its stock directly from the absolute largest distributors.

I don't think they got much of a stock as they cancelled it in an order of mine. They get their stock from the same place as blowitouttahere and others. If it is not OOP, why didn't Amazon get it themselves? They are usually the first to announce new stock arriving. Target, BB, Walmart? Also, Bull Moose ran out of their new stock yesterday. I still think it is OOP.

[Nightman04]

Originally Posted by houseca

I don't think they got much of a stock as they cancelled it in an order of mine. They get their stock from the same place as blowitouttahere and others. If it is not OOP, why didn't Amazon get it themselves? They are usually the first to announce new stock arriving. Target, BB, Walmart? Also, Bull Moose ran out of their new stock yesterday. I still think it is OOP.

Best Buy currently has it for $10.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bowfing...skuId=33485157

[Britbuffguy]

Originally Posted by Nightman04

Best Buy currently has it for $10.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bowfing...skuId=33485157

'Backordered'

[Captain N]

Originally Posted by Britbuffguy

'Backordered'

If Best Buy wasn't going to get more, it wouldn't say backordered. Stop fueling the scalpers. It's not oop. Trust me, I know (that's all I'm going to say).

[houseca]

Originally Posted by Captain N

If Best Buy wasn't going to get more, it wouldn't say backordered. Stop fueling the scalpers. It's not oop. Trust me, I know (that's all I'm going to say).

Seriously dude? All he said was "backordered"... and you tell him to stop fueling the scalpers?

Don't tell us to "trust you" as you are a fairly new member to this board and don't have near the credibility as most posters do in this thread.

Either explain why you think it is not OOP, or don't make claims like that.

[Captain N]

Originally Posted by houseca

Seriously dude? All he said was "backordered"... and you tell him to stop fueling the scalpers?

Don't tell us to "trust you" as you are a fairly new member to this board and don't have near the credibility as most posters do in this thread.

Either explain why you think it is not OOP, or don't make claims like that.

Calm down. Sorry, wasn't directed at that user. Also, I don't ever mean ill will in any of my comments. I definitely am no fan of scalpers, however. I just don't want folks overpaying if they don't have to. There are so many companies and posters who drive FOMO nowadays, and it's easy to get sucked down in it.

Plenty of retailers (Target or Walmart) do not carry blurays that are being printed. Just search WAC titles and you'll come across plenty of them where they only carry the DVD.

Of course, if you want to pay more to secure a copy, then that's obviously your right to do so. If not, then ordering from those that say it's backordered should nab you a copy when stock returns.

All this sort of reminds of what happened with Community.

[Captain N]

I'll admit I must have been wrong about Bowfinger.

Having experience with "backordered" items at Best Buy, it's usually the case that folks know shipments are coming, which is how the approximate restock dates are displayed on the item when you place that in a cart. May be all of these dates are getting messed up due to the pandemic, but I did see Best Buy took the backordered listing down, which is not usually how that works. An oop item will sell-through and typically just go to sold out, not backordered, and then just proceed to item unavailable if its oop.

Anyways, I was just trying to deflate the FOMO based on how this is supposed to work. Guess I'll just stay out of the logistics discussion, as that process must not be functioning the way it used to.

Certainly appreciate everyone who keeps monitoring and posting, and hope those who were interested in this one were able to order it.