BDs That Are Out of Print (OOP)

[50strat54]

Is The Misfits Marilyn Monroe/Clark Gable film OOP?

I noticed an MGM and Fox logo on the back. You can still get it cheap used.

I believe that 7 film box of Marilyn Monroe films is also OOP

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

Is The Misfits Marilyn Monroe/Clark Gable film OOP?

I noticed an MGM and Fox logo on the back. You can still get it cheap used.

I believe that 7 film box of Marilyn Monroe films is also OOP

All of MGM's titles released through Twentieth Century Fox Home Video (like The Misfits) are OOP, since:

A) MGM moved their deal to Warners and
B) Twentieth Century Fox Home Video no longer exists.

That said, the market was flooded with these discs, so most of them can be found used or new from third-party sellers for reasonable prices.

This is one of those many instances where the important distinction between OOP and OOS needs to be made.

[jackmovie]

Lionsgate: "See No Evil" (2006) is OOP.
https://www.amazon.com/See-No-Evil-B...=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Lionsgate clearly lost the rights of this film, since it is not available on all VOD platforms.
https://reelgood.com/movie/see-no-evil-2006


The film was a big DVD/Blu-ray seller. Hoping someone will pick it up and re-release it in 4K.

[houseca]

Originally Posted by jackmovie

lionsgate: "see no evil" (2006) is oop.
https://www.amazon.com/see-no-evil-b...=utf8&qid=&sr=

lionsgate clearly lost the rights of this film, since it is not available on all vod platforms.
https://reelgood.com/movie/see-no-evil-2006


the film was a big dvd/blu-ray seller. Hoping someone will pick it up and re-release it in 4k.

[houseca]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

All of MGM's titles released through Twentieth Century Fox Home Video (like The Misfits) are OOP, since:

A) MGM moved their deal to Warners and
B) Twentieth Century Fox Home Video no longer exists.

That said, the market was flooded with these discs, so most of them can be found used or new from third-party sellers for reasonable prices.

This is one of those many instances where the important distinction between OOP and OOS needs to be made.

True they would definitely be OOP. But in a separate matter, they would be far more likely to be re-released by a new studio (in this case, Warner)

I feel that the way the term "OOP" is thrown around in our hobby.... on this board, on ebay, etc.... it basically implies OOS as well. Folks usually just say "OOP" and not "OOP/OOS".

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by houseca

True they would definitely be OOP. But in a separate matter, they would be far more likely to be re-released by a new studio (in this case, Warner)

I feel that the way the term "OOP" is thrown around in our hobby.... on this board, on ebay, etc.... it basically implies OOS as well. Folks usually just say "OOP" and not "OOP/OOS".

Now that MGM has been sold to Amazon, I don't see all their thousands of OOP catalog titles ever getting BDs again. Maybe the biggest titles will get discs again, but I wouldn't be shocked if even that never happens. We shall see.

[houseca]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Now that MGM has been sold to Amazon, I don't see all their thousands of OOP catalog titles ever getting BDs again. Maybe the biggest titles will get discs again, but I wouldn't be shocked if even that never happens. We shall see.

If they continue to see 4K titles sell more and more on their site, I would not be surprised to see them crank out a TON of MGM titles on 4K. Blu-ray, not so much, so agreed.

They could also license them out to Kino, Shout, Criterion, etc....

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by houseca

If they continue to see 4K titles sell more and more on their site, I would not be surprised to see them crank out a TON of MGM titles on 4K. Blu-ray, not so much, so agreed.

They could also license them out to Kino, Shout, Criterion, etc....

MGM has only directly released one catalog UHD title, as far as I know, the Daniel Craig Bond set, which came out during their Fox era, but has been reissued by Warners.

MGM didn't even release their crown jewel, the rest of the Bond catalog, on UHD this year for the franchise's 60th anniversary.

I don't think MGM even has a website selling their discs. Or do you mean something about Amaozn's site?

Kino Lorner has licensed some MGM titles for UHD, like The Apartment and Some Like It Hot, but I think they said it's only something like 15 total.

[houseca]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

MGM has only directly released one catalog UHD title, as far as I know, the Daniel Craig Bond set, which came out during their Fox era, but has been reissued by Warners.

MGM didn't even release their crown jewel, the rest of the Bond catalog, on UHD this year for the franchise's 60th anniversary.

I don't think MGM even has a website selling their discs. Or do you mean something about Amaozn's site?

Kino Lorner has licensed some MGM titles for UHD, like The Apartment and Some Like It Hot, but I think they said it's only something like 15 total.

I meant why can't Amazon release 4K's themselves, maybe as Amazon Exclusives? If they have the rights to all the titles not already licensed out, I don't see why they can't get them released for sale on the site.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by houseca

I meant why can't Amazon release 4K's themselves, maybe as Amazon Exclusives? If they have the rights to all the titles not already licensed out, I don't see why they can't get them released for sale on the site.

There's no reason they technically can't, but they probably won't, because they're primarily a streaming service. They most likely bought MGM to feed their streaming outlet, not to release discs, which are a niche market at this point.

Also, Amazon doesn't have a physical media Home Video division, as far as I know. Their theatrical feature films (which are mostly arthouse films, and seem rarer and rarer) have always been released by other companies, like Lionsgate. Meanwhile, their streaming films are mostly studio rejects they acquire, which the studios (like Paramount) release on disc after an Amazon exclusivity window.

In fact, the first test of this is Thirteen Lives, which was an unreleased MGM film when they acquired the company. Amazon sent it straight to streaming on their service, instead of putting it in theaters.

Of course new releases are an entirely different case from catalog titles. There will be some demand for Thirteen Lives on Blu-Ray in a few months, however modest, just because it was a new release, with name actors. A deep catalog MGM title like The Misfits would likely sell only a few hundred copies. It's probably not worth the effort to Amazon for them to press discs.

[houseca]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

There's no reason they technically can't, but they probably won't, because they're primarily a streaming service. They most likely bought MGM to feed their streaming outlet, not to release discs, which are a niche market at this point.

Also, Amazon doesn't have a physical media Home Video division, as far as I know. Their theatrical feature films (which are mostly arthouse films, and seem rarer and rarer) have always been released by other companies, like Lionsgate. Meanwhile, their streaming films are mostly studio rejects they acquire, which the studios (like Paramount) release on disc after an Amazon exclusivity window.

In fact, the first test of this is Thirteen Lives, which was an unreleased MGM film when they acquired the company. Amazon sent it straight to streaming on their service, instead of putting it in theaters.

Of course new releases are an entirely different case from catalog titles. There will be some demand for Thirteen Lives on Blu-Ray in a few months, however modest, just because it was a new release, with name actors. A deep catalog MGM title like The Misfits would likely sell only a few hundred copies. It's probably not worth the effort to Amazon for them to press discs.

It's hopeful thinking, and perhaps a bit of a longshot I know. I just didn't see why Amazon, despite not ever releasing home video themselves, can't start doing it. The biggest roadblocks are already avoided.... the storefront, distribution channels, and the rights to the films themselves. They already have quite the extensive library. I just don't want MGM films to suffer the same fate as Fox films has with the mouse.

Now if it's not worth the time and too nichey for their business model, then they can just license them out to boutique labels. All the better.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by houseca

It's hopeful thinking, and perhaps a bit of a longshot I know. I just didn't see why Amazon, despite not ever releasing home video themselves, can't start doing it. The biggest roadblocks are already avoided.... the storefront, distribution channels, and the rights to the films themselves. They already have quite the extensive library. I just don't want MGM films to suffer the same fate as Fox films has with the mouse.

Now if it's not worth the time and too nichey for their business model, then they can just license them out to boutique labels. All the better.

I'm just trying to be realistic, and guide people towards buying those OOP discs that are still on the market and readily available, instead of waiting for re-issues that I don't think will ever come.

I think MGM films will suffer the exact same fate as Fox films, and I think people should be aware of this and shop with that in mind right now.

I don't see Amazon hiring multiple people and starting up an entire home video division to deal with MGM's catalog of old titles that will only appeal to a few hundred collectors on disc. Especially since Amazon never started a proper home video department to handle their own brand new films.

I also don't see them releasing their entire catalog again through their Warners deal. We're lucky enough that they're licensing a handful to KL for UHD discs, since MGM barely supports them for occasional new releases and doesn't do catalog UHDs.

And I don't see Amazon taking the time to license the MGM titles to a boutique label en masse either. The days of them doing that with KL seem over. A big company like Amazon usually considers the time it takes their business affairs department to work all that out to be a waste, for the minimal revenue that'll result. Every hour they spend negotiating a contract for an MGM film from 1960 to get a release on 1000 BDs is an hour those lawyers aren't working on something else that can bring in 100x the revenue.

I don't like any of this, I'm not endorsing it, I'm just being realistic.

MGM absolutely flooded the market with most of their catalog titles. The Fox BDs of them, though OOP, are almost all available at ridiculously low prices used, or even still wrapped and good as new.

Also, remember that in the BD era, MGM still only released a fraction of their catalog on BD. I'd say 3/4 of the MGM titles that came out on DVD at the height of the home media craze in the early 2000s ended up on BD a decade later only because KL stepped in and brought them to us. The market was already contracting that much a decade ago.

If anyone wants any MGM titles released on BD through Fox, I recommend they buy them now. Just my two cents.

I've operated this way for the last few years, and have snapped up a number of titles from various studios that are now long gone, likely never to re-appear on disc. I'm much happier that way.

[deltatauhobbit]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I'm just trying to be realistic, and guide people towards buying those OOP discs that are still on the market and readily available, instead of waiting for re-issues that I don't think will ever come.

I think MGM films will suffer the exact same fate as Fox films, and I think people should be aware of this and shop with that in mind right now.

I don't see Amazon hiring multiple people and starting up an entire home video division to deal with MGM's catalog of old titles that will only appeal to a few hundred collectors on disc. Especially since Amazon never started a proper home video department to handle their own brand new films.

I also don't see them releasing their entire catalog again through their Warners deal. We're lucky enough that they're licensing a handful to KL for UHD discs, since MGM barely supports them for occasional new releases and doesn't do catalog UHDs.

And I don't see Amazon taking the time to license the MGM titles to a boutique label en masse either. The days of them doing that with KL seem over. A big company like Amazon usually considers the time it takes their business affairs department to work all that out to be a waste, for the minimal revenue that'll result. Every hour they spend negotiating a contract for an MGM film from 1960 to get a release on 1000 BDs is an hour those lawyers aren't working on something else that can bring in 100x the revenue.

I don't like any of this, I'm not endorsing it, I'm just being realistic.

MGM absolutely flooded the market with most of their catalog titles. The Fox BDs of them, though OOP, are almost all available at ridiculously low prices used, or even still wrapped and good as new.

Also, remember that in the BD era, MGM still only released a fraction of their catalog on BD. I'd say 3/4 of the MGM titles that came out on DVD at the height of the home media craze in the early 2000s ended up on BD a decade later only because KL stepped in and brought them to us. The market was already contracting that much a decade ago.

If anyone wants any MGM titles released on BD through Fox, I recommend they buy them now. Just my two cents.

I've operated this way for the last few years, and have snapped up a number of titles from various studios that are now long gone, likely never to re-appear on disc. I'm much happier that way.

I agree, the time for MGM titles is likely up just as it has been for older, lesser known, Fox titles. It'll take some time for certain titles, ones that are currently licensed out, to start disappearing as their license ends. But once they do, they likely won't be coming back. People will certainly point out the exceptions; Bond and Rocky films will always be made available. Meanwhile, epics like Gymkata (which still hasn't gotten a release and will likely never now!) won't be seeing the light of my laser within my blu-ray player.

Just as I did with Fox titles, I plan on going through the Wiki lists of MGM titles decade by decade and finding any film I have a passing interest in and seeing whether it has a blu-ray release. I'm starting with the 80's since it's my favorite decade for films (that's how I sadly learned they likely control Gymkata ).

I kept hoping the Amazon deal would fall through or be blocked but larger acquisitions like these seem to be allowed more and more lately. I'd like to be surprised that they'd be willing to license out to boutique labels, since they will not put out the discs themselves, but I just don't see that happening. Amazon clearly bought it to bulk up their streaming service. The logistics likely aren't worth it to Amazon to pursue disc releases, whereas for MGM it was since they've essentially been a dead studio for years without much else to do or their own streaming service.

[Hellhound]

Looks like this is OOP:

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Hellhound

Looks like this is OOP:

All MGM discs that came out through Fox are OOP. Their deal with Fox ended, and Twentieth Century Fox Home Video ceased to exist soon after.

That said, they were pressed in MASSIVE quantities, so most should be available used for reasonable prices.

[davevh84]

Please add this Blu-ray title to the OOP list. Thank You


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[sandman slim]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

All MGM discs that came out through Fox are OOP. Their deal with Fox ended, and Twentieth Century Fox Home Video ceased to exist soon after.

That said, they were pressed in MASSIVE quantities, so most should be available used for reasonable prices.

Picked this up a few months back at Dollar Tree.

[DaniRyder23]

Well, this is a depressing thread to read through...

I think the most annoying thing about it though, is that whereas it kinda used to be that something going OOP would just mean that you didn't have the option to buy it new/sealed for RRP anymore, now whenever something goes OOP you start to see all the used copies go up in price as well...even if it's something that was in circulation for the better part of a decade?

I don't mind foregoing a brand new, sealed copy of an OOP disc, I mean fair enough...but the market value of used discs going up just because they *can* always feels a little...frustrating to me.

Is that disc really worth more than it was a few years earlier, just because they stopped making new ones? Even if there are tens of thousands of them in circulation?

[houseca]

Originally Posted by DaniRyder23

Well, this is a depressing thread to read through...

I think the most annoying thing about it though, is that whereas it kinda used to be that something going OOP would just mean that you didn't have the option to buy it new/sealed for RRP anymore, now whenever something goes OOP you start to see all the used copies go up in price as well...even if it's something that was in circulation for the better part of a decade?

I don't mind foregoing a brand new, sealed copy of an OOP disc, I mean fair enough...but the market value of used discs going up just because they *can* always feels a little...frustrating to me.

Is that disc really worth more than it was a few years earlier, just because they stopped making new ones? Even if there are tens of thousands of them in circulation?

There are lot more OOP titles going for around what retail was, than those being sold at a big premium.

A disc is worth more if there are more people wanting to buy the disc than copies available. Simple economics. "Worth" is determined by the buyers (not sellers) that are willing to spend the money. It has nothing to do with the content.

Look at what was recently posted here... Slam Dance, released by Kino Lorber. It was sitting at the bottom of the "WSL bin" for a long time. No one wanted it, even for the $7.99. Now it is only being offered for $70. And as of yet, no takers.

Used Blu-rays/DVD's/Laserdiscs/VHS that go OOP and hit the collectibles market often go up in value, and sometimes many times that of the original value. This is nothing new so I'm not sure why you are pretty much saying this is a recent phenomenon.

[Lum]

I believe this is OOP. A somewhat questionable release, as the first half of the show was DVD only in the states.