PSN Outage

[blu-mike]

Originally Posted by Mr. J

Jeeez, I hope whoever doing this is caught.

Must be xbox gamers jk haha

[Xerios]

Originally Posted by omegaice

Well, at least you see my point of view. I understand the reason behind it but damn this is madness!

youve seen maximus complain about how often he has to watch this thread, and ma cruz agree... if it was that much of a hassle with no reward they would have locked it already... the reward is publicity and potential new users who would intern increase money made on the amazon gig.... i hear your argument... i understand the business side of it more though lol

[Omegaice]

Originally Posted by Xerios

youve seen maximus complain about how often he has to watch this thread, and ma cruz agree... if it was that much of a hassle with no reward they would have locked it already... the reward is publicity and potential new users who would intern increase money made on the amazon gig.... i hear your argument... i understand the business side of it more though lol

I agree with you but why does it have to be so Xerios???

[Xerios]

Originally Posted by omegaice

I agree with you but why does it have to be so Xerios???

ZINGER!

have a good weekend im out till monday....

~X

[Denoku]

Originally Posted by Xerios

youve seen maximus complain about how often he has to watch this thread, and ma cruz agree... if it was that much of a hassle with no reward they would have locked it already... the reward is publicity and potential new users who would intern increase money made on the amazon gig.... i hear your argument... i understand the business side of it more though lol

I don't know about all that. I know the main reason this thread has remained open is so all the bs can be consolidated in one place and not spread out all over the place.

[Slip Snake]

PSN dev network back online

Reports indicate the internal PSN developer network is apparently back online, suggesting that online play, matchmaking and other services may be back very soon.

"The internal PSN developer network is online again," claims NeoGAF user Kagari, who says a number of developers have confirmed these reports. "Things are still a bit shaky at the moment such as lack of new account sign up. Looks like the network, at least the online play/account part of it, will be back soon."

Sony is still keeping pretty quiet about the whole thing, with the last post from Patrick Seybold on the PlayStation Blog saying it would be "at least a few days" -- that was three days ago.

Hopefully we can expect PSN proper to be back online soon, then -- and hopefully 75 million people all changing their passwords at the same time won't crash it again.

[Slim Jim]

Anyone know how I can find out what my password is cause I forgot its been along time sense I had to put it in so when I go to change it I will know it

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by Slim Jim

Anyone know how I can find out what my password is cause I forgot its been along time sense I had to put it in so when I go to change it I will know it

let me check my records and I'll get back to you.

[Grim Reaper]

just imagine how long its gonna take everyone to sync their trophies...

[DaleDark]

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

let me check my records and I'll get back to you.

Can we get a rim shot?

[jamclaur]

Originally Posted by V3NOM

So you are in the know with sony and these guys are a reliable source?


Ohh good to know

Max works, in some facet, at Sony... So yes, he's in the know.

[bigkatninja]

I bet when the ps3 comes back online they say We need to charge now for better security!

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by bigkatninja

I bet when the ps3 comes back online they say We need to charge now for better security!

mmm, I really dont think so. Its likely they are now going to strongly consider charging for PSN when the PS4 comes out ... but there is no reason to believe they would charge us now, I think it would just be bad P.R.

... and if they were going to charge there would need to be a lot more features other than "added security"

Im about to start playing GoW3, I really hope the PSN is up by the time I finish =P

[Omegaice]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

mmm, I really dont think so. Its likely they are now going to strongly consider charging for PSN when the PS4 comes out ... but there is no reason to believe they would charge us now, I think it would just be bad P.R.

... and if they were going to charge there would need to be a lot more features other than "added security"

Im about to start playing GoW3, I really hope the PSN is up by the time I finish =P

It might just be but only if you play it on CHAOS mode & move really really slow.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Slip Snake

PSN dev network back online

If we were only developers.

[slick1ru2]

Retailers are saying the number of PS3s traded in is skyrocketing. Can you say instant excess server capacity? And if you want another PS3 CHEAP, BUY NOW!!

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/psn-out...-to-hit-retail

Gamer patience begins to wear thin as retailers report increased trade-ins of PS3 consoles for Xbox 360s.

The ongoing PlayStation Network outage is beginning to have an effect on the high street, Edge can reveal.

Our sources indicate a growing trend of PS3 consoles being traded in for cash or Xbox 360s, slumping sales of PSN points cards and a shift in the ratio of multiplatform game sales and pre-orders away from PS3.

“In the first week of downtime we did not really see any major change in sales or trades,” says one source, a store manager at a major UK retailer speaking on condition of anonymity. “However from the second week onwards we have seen an increase of over 200 per cent on PS3 consoles being traded in, split almost 50/50 between those trading for cash and those taking a 360 instead.”

Another source, working for an independent retailer in the South West, said he had seen a “massive increase” in the volume of PS3s traded in in recent weeks, with most exchanging for an Xbox 360. He describes those trading in their PS3s as “the hardcore online shooter crowd” – players who spend most of their gaming time playing the same game online, and who are therefore greatly impacted by the outage.

Tom Mestdagh, of Belgian indie Gameswap – the only retailer we spoke to happy to go on the record - agrees. “At the end of each month people come to sell their consoles,” he tells us. “People that need money [to pay bills]. What’s different this time around is that that they are bringing in PS3s together with all their games and they don’t want money, they want an Xbox 360. In every case it is because of Black Ops and or Modern Warfare 2.

“We’re just ten days into the month and already we have an increase of 200 per cent in PS3s coming into the store compared to all of March. Normally we sell them really fast, but not this time. We’ve only sold 30 to 40 per cent of our inventory right now.”

The outage is also affecting game-buying habits, with all of our sources reporting increased levels of trade-ins of Call Of Duty: Black Ops for PS3, with the Xbox 360 release relatively thin on the ground.

It is a fact borne out by the recent UK all-formats software charts. In the week ending March 16, 49 per cent of sales of Black Ops were for Xbox 360, with 37 per cent buying the PS3 version. The following week PS3 sales actually increased, split 52/40 in PS3’s favour.

Sony took PS3 offline on April 20, and informed consumers of the breach on April 26. The difference in sales figures since is telling: in the week ending April 30, Black Ops sales were split 59/30 per cent in Xbox 360’s favour; last week the distance grew even further, with 66 per cent of sales on Xbox 360, and a mere 24 per cent of buyers taking the PS3 version.

The same pattern can be seen in sales of FIFA 11, another hugely popular online title. In the week ending April 16, the split was 49/37 per cent in Xbox 360’s favour, 46/34 the week after, 52/26 in the week ending April 30 and 49/21 last week.

Our high street source reports that “pre-orders have been cancelled and flipped over to 360 versions of games,” with Mestdagh telling us: “People are cancelling their order of Brink for PS3. People that have an Xbox 360 have switched their pre-orders – others are just cancelling entirely.” Sales of PSN points cards, too, have plummeted over the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps the biggest shift, though, has been in customer satisfaction. Our high street source explains: “A lot of people have been phoning asking us about personal details on PSN as they are struggling to get a response from Sony themselves. Overall, people that have traded with us seem annoyed at how Sony has handled all of this, and say they would not trust them with details again in the future.”

Another source, who works for an independent retailer in northern England, says he has not noticed any significant increase in PS3 consoles being traded in, but said: “All we’ve seen is an incredible amount of disgruntled people annoyed that they can’t play online.” Mestdagh says that those who normally drop in for a spot of friendly console warfare “have stopped complaining about the fact that Microsoft charges for Xbox Live. It used to be a big problem for most of our PS3 customers.”

Of course, it must be noted that this is a small sample, and it seems that only those desperate for their online fix have taken the drastic step of ditching their PS3s entirely, but it is telling nonetheless.

UK hardware sales are rarely reported or broken down by platform, and Game, the UK’s biggest specialist retailer, failed to respond to a request for comment. As such we may never form a true picture of just how severely the PSN outage is affecting retailers, or those who are the most affected by the downtime, who have rarely been considered by media coverage to date: gamers.


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And yet, the PS3 still outsells the Wii.

http://www.gamefreaks365.com/newsarticle.php?sid=4010

[Omegaice]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Retailers are saying the number of PS3s traded in is skyrocketing. Can you say instant excess server capacity? And if you want another PS3 CHEAP, BUY NOW!!

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/psn-out...-to-hit-retail

Gamer patience begins to wear thin as retailers report increased trade-ins of PS3 consoles for Xbox 360s.

The ongoing PlayStation Network outage is beginning to have an effect on the high street, Edge can reveal.

Our sources indicate a growing trend of PS3 consoles being traded in for cash or Xbox 360s, slumping sales of PSN points cards and a shift in the ratio of multiplatform game sales and pre-orders away from PS3.

“In the first week of downtime we did not really see any major change in sales or trades,” says one source, a store manager at a major UK retailer speaking on condition of anonymity. “However from the second week onwards we have seen an increase of over 200 per cent on PS3 consoles being traded in, split almost 50/50 between those trading for cash and those taking a 360 instead.”

Another source, working for an independent retailer in the South West, said he had seen a “massive increase” in the volume of PS3s traded in in recent weeks, with most exchanging for an Xbox 360. He describes those trading in their PS3s as “the hardcore online shooter crowd” – players who spend most of their gaming time playing the same game online, and who are therefore greatly impacted by the outage.

Tom Mestdagh, of Belgian indie Gameswap – the only retailer we spoke to happy to go on the record - agrees. “At the end of each month people come to sell their consoles,” he tells us. “People that need money [to pay bills]. What’s different this time around is that that they are bringing in PS3s together with all their games and they don’t want money, they want an Xbox 360. In every case it is because of Black Ops and or Modern Warfare 2.

“We’re just ten days into the month and already we have an increase of 200 per cent in PS3s coming into the store compared to all of March. Normally we sell them really fast, but not this time. We’ve only sold 30 to 40 per cent of our inventory right now.”

The outage is also affecting game-buying habits, with all of our sources reporting increased levels of trade-ins of Call Of Duty: Black Ops for PS3, with the Xbox 360 release relatively thin on the ground.

It is a fact borne out by the recent UK all-formats software charts. In the week ending March 16, 49 per cent of sales of Black Ops were for Xbox 360, with 37 per cent buying the PS3 version. The following week PS3 sales actually increased, split 52/40 in PS3’s favour.

Sony took PS3 offline on April 20, and informed consumers of the breach on April 26. The difference in sales figures since is telling: in the week ending April 30, Black Ops sales were split 59/30 per cent in Xbox 360’s favour; last week the distance grew even further, with 66 per cent of sales on Xbox 360, and a mere 24 per cent of buyers taking the PS3 version.

The same pattern can be seen in sales of FIFA 11, another hugely popular online title. In the week ending April 16, the split was 49/37 per cent in Xbox 360’s favour, 46/34 the week after, 52/26 in the week ending April 30 and 49/21 last week.

Our high street source reports that “pre-orders have been cancelled and flipped over to 360 versions of games,” with Mestdagh telling us: “People are cancelling their order of Brink for PS3. People that have an Xbox 360 have switched their pre-orders – others are just cancelling entirely.” Sales of PSN points cards, too, have plummeted over the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps the biggest shift, though, has been in customer satisfaction. Our high street source explains: “A lot of people have been phoning asking us about personal details on PSN as they are struggling to get a response from Sony themselves. Overall, people that have traded with us seem annoyed at how Sony has handled all of this, and say they would not trust them with details again in the future.”

Another source, who works for an independent retailer in northern England, says he has not noticed any significant increase in PS3 consoles being traded in, but said: “All we’ve seen is an incredible amount of disgruntled people annoyed that they can’t play online.” Mestdagh says that those who normally drop in for a spot of friendly console warfare “have stopped complaining about the fact that Microsoft charges for Xbox Live. It used to be a big problem for most of our PS3 customers.”

Of course, it must be noted that this is a small sample, and it seems that only those desperate for their online fix have taken the drastic step of ditching their PS3s entirely, but it is telling nonetheless.

UK hardware sales are rarely reported or broken down by platform, and Game, the UK’s biggest specialist retailer, failed to respond to a request for comment. As such we may never form a true picture of just how severely the PSN outage is affecting retailers, or those who are the most affected by the downtime, who have rarely been considered by media coverage to date: gamers.


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And yet, the PS3 still outsells the Wii.

http://www.gamefreaks365.com/newsarticle.php?sid=4010

Slick, this article you quoted is in regards to PS3 trade-ins in UK & is not really that relevant to the US. Read below.

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/ar...360/1305314210

Don't believe the hype: PS3 users aren't switching to Xbox 360
By Joe Wilcox | Published May 13, 2011, 4:01 PM

Yesterday, Edge reported that the PlayStation Network outage is negatively affecting PS3, with gamers trading in their consoles -- half for cash, the rest for Xbox 360. Today, the story is being picked up everywhere, it seems, and repeated as gospel. One problem: Edge's report is largely about the United Kingdom (there was one Belgian retailer quoted). What about the United States? Based on a massive poll conducted by Betanews and random calls to a half-dozen GameStops, there is no evidence of mass consumer exodus from PlayStation 3 to Xbox 360 -- at least in the States.

The Problem at Hand
Quick recap on PSN outage: Hackers broke into PlayStation Network between April 17-19 and stole massive amounts of personally-identifying user data. On April 20, Sony voluntarily took down the network, after discovering the hack. Sony had promised to partially restore the network on May 4, but that didn't happen. More than three weeks into the outage it's reasonable to ask if PS3 users are switching to Xbox 360 and Xbox Live.
I began my quest to assess any changes in console sales by contacting NPD, which coincidentally released April U.S. retail game console and software sales figures late yesterday. Xbox, PSP and PS3 new console sales were all up year over year in April. Xbox 360 topped unit sales, followed by Nintendo DS. Unfortunately the data I would need is weekly, which NPD doesn't publicly disclose.

I have poll results, which are quite convincing (you can participate below). I asked: "In mid April 2011, Sony took down PlayStation Network after hackers stole subscribers' personal data. PlayStation users, will you switch to Xbox?" There are 10,914 responses as I write this blog, which is a huge sample. I can't say what percentage of respondents are PSN subscribers, but know the poll is rigged for one response per computer. Just over two-thirds of responders chose "Not even if Hell froze over." There also was option: "Absolutely." The percentages for both responses have been fairly consistent throughout the time the poll has been up, which helps validate the results. By the way, 8,807 -- or 81 percent -- of responses are from the United States.

Looking for Trade-ins
Perhaps, but what people say and what they do often don't jive. So early this afternoon Eastern Time, I called a half-dozen GameStops to ask about PS3 trade-ins, whether cash or Xbox 360. I chose GameStop, because the company has stores pretty much nationwide, and it accepts console trade-ins. During each call, I posed as someone considering a trade-in. I own the 40GB PS3, which has $90 store-credit value or $72 cash, I learned.
One clerk at a Southern California GameStop told me there is no real change in PS3 trade-ins. "The PlayStation Network will back within a couple of weeks," he said. "Most people are waiting it out."
At a GameStop in the suburban Washington, DC metro area, a clerk said the store had only two PS3 trade-ins since the PSN outage started, where "people said 'I'm tired of it' and moved over to Xbox. So, it's not been huge. A lot of people are buying single-player games for PS3 rather than investing a whole lot of money on an Xbox."

In mid April 2011, Sony took down PlayStation Network after hackers stole subscribers' personal data. PlayStation users, will you switch to Xbox?

Absolutely
Not even if Hell froze over

Well, what about Microsoft's backyard? I called a GameStop in the Seattle area and got a real shock. In response to question "Are you seeing a lot of people bringing PS3s to trade in for Xbox?" a clerk responded: "Nope. I haven't seen any PS3s traded in in the last month or so." A Chicago GameStop clerk responded: "Not at this location."
A clerk in a New York City GameStop answered the trade-in question: "Not at the store. Not really." He speculated that other stores might see more trade-ins, but I only found one. A clerk at a GameStop in Texas said that she had seen some trade-ins -- PS3 for Xbox 360. "They say patience is a virtue, but people are really impatient." While she had heard PSN could be down for a month yet, Xbox isn't in her future. "I prefer my PS3, so I'm going to stick it out."

The Texas clerk had heard, but couldn't document, that Sony has lost 100,000 PSN subscribers so far during the network outage. That's not exactly an exodus, considering there are, or were, about 77 million PlayStation Network subscribers.

Dubious Reporting
Because of the Edge report, I actually expected to be writing about a PS3 exodus to Xbox 360. Then I checked the poll and made phone calls. One of my biggest gripes about blogging and journalism today is sourcing -- where blogs or news sites source another without doing any original reporting. Among those regurgitating the original Edge report or another post about it: CNET News; SlashGear; TG Daily; The Loop; Venture Beat; and ZDNet, among many others. I purposely omit European blogs or news stories, since -- assuming Edge's sourcing is solid -- the report is regionally important to them. As for the others, nearly none reported that Edge's story really was about United Kingdom. It was one-size-fits-the-whole-world reporting.
It may be that someone else will write something contrary to the story based on different reporting, such as contacting PR offices of games retailers, or perhaps similar to what I write here. But that would be because of original reporting -- what Edge did to put together its story.

The real story here may be an increase in single-player PS3 games during the PlayStation Network outage, while Sony console users wait it out. Perhaps NPD can answer that when May retail game numbers release next month.

Let me know your thoughts.

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by omegaice

Slick, this article you quoted is in regards to PS3 trade-ins in UK & is not really that relevant to the US. Read below.

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/ar...360/1305314210

Don't believe the hype: PS3 users aren't switching to Xbox 360
By Joe Wilcox | Published May 13, 2011, 4:01 PM

Yesterday, Edge reported that the PlayStation Network outage is negatively affecting PS3, with gamers trading in their consoles -- half for cash, the rest for Xbox 360. Today, the story is being picked up everywhere, it seems, and repeated as gospel. One problem: Edge's report is largely about the United Kingdom (there was one Belgian retailer quoted). What about the United States? Based on a massive poll conducted by Betanews and random calls to a half-dozen GameStops, there is no evidence of mass consumer exodus from PlayStation 3 to Xbox 360 -- at least in the States.

The Problem at Hand
Quick recap on PSN outage: Hackers broke into PlayStation Network between April 17-19 and stole massive amounts of personally-identifying user data. On April 20, Sony voluntarily took down the network, after discovering the hack. Sony had promised to partially restore the network on May 4, but that didn't happen. More than three weeks into the outage it's reasonable to ask if PS3 users are switching to Xbox 360 and Xbox Live.
I began my quest to assess any changes in console sales by contacting NPD, which coincidentally released April U.S. retail game console and software sales figures late yesterday. Xbox, PSP and PS3 new console sales were all up year over year in April. Xbox 360 topped unit sales, followed by Nintendo DS. Unfortunately the data I would need is weekly, which NPD doesn't publicly disclose.

I have poll results, which are quite convincing (you can participate below). I asked: "In mid April 2011, Sony took down PlayStation Network after hackers stole subscribers' personal data. PlayStation users, will you switch to Xbox?" There are 10,914 responses as I write this blog, which is a huge sample. I can't say what percentage of respondents are PSN subscribers, but know the poll is rigged for one response per computer. Just over two-thirds of responders chose "Not even if Hell froze over." There also was option: "Absolutely." The percentages for both responses have been fairly consistent throughout the time the poll has been up, which helps validate the results. By the way, 8,807 -- or 81 percent -- of responses are from the United States.

Looking for Trade-ins
Perhaps, but what people say and what they do often don't jive. So early this afternoon Eastern Time, I called a half-dozen GameStops to ask about PS3 trade-ins, whether cash or Xbox 360. I chose GameStop, because the company has stores pretty much nationwide, and it accepts console trade-ins. During each call, I posed as someone considering a trade-in. I own the 40GB PS3, which has $90 store-credit value or $72 cash, I learned.
One clerk at a Southern California GameStop told me there is no real change in PS3 trade-ins. "The PlayStation Network will back within a couple of weeks," he said. "Most people are waiting it out."
At a GameStop in the suburban Washington, DC metro area, a clerk said the store had only two PS3 trade-ins since the PSN outage started, where "people said 'I'm tired of it' and moved over to Xbox. So, it's not been huge. A lot of people are buying single-player games for PS3 rather than investing a whole lot of money on an Xbox."

In mid April 2011, Sony took down PlayStation Network after hackers stole subscribers' personal data. PlayStation users, will you switch to Xbox?

Absolutely
Not even if Hell froze over

Well, what about Microsoft's backyard? I called a GameStop in the Seattle area and got a real shock. In response to question "Are you seeing a lot of people bringing PS3s to trade in for Xbox?" a clerk responded: "Nope. I haven't seen any PS3s traded in in the last month or so." A Chicago GameStop clerk responded: "Not at this location."
A clerk in a New York City GameStop answered the trade-in question: "Not at the store. Not really." He speculated that other stores might see more trade-ins, but I only found one. A clerk at a GameStop in Texas said that she had seen some trade-ins -- PS3 for Xbox 360. "They say patience is a virtue, but people are really impatient." While she had heard PSN could be down for a month yet, Xbox isn't in her future. "I prefer my PS3, so I'm going to stick it out."

The Texas clerk had heard, but couldn't document, that Sony has lost 100,000 PSN subscribers so far during the network outage. That's not exactly an exodus, considering there are, or were, about 77 million PlayStation Network subscribers.

Dubious Reporting
Because of the Edge report, I actually expected to be writing about a PS3 exodus to Xbox 360. Then I checked the poll and made phone calls. One of my biggest gripes about blogging and journalism today is sourcing -- where blogs or news sites source another without doing any original reporting. Among those regurgitating the original Edge report or another post about it: CNET News; SlashGear; TG Daily; The Loop; Venture Beat; and ZDNet, among many others. I purposely omit European blogs or news stories, since -- assuming Edge's sourcing is solid -- the report is regionally important to them. As for the others, nearly none reported that Edge's story really was about United Kingdom. It was one-size-fits-the-whole-world reporting.
It may be that someone else will write something contrary to the story based on different reporting, such as contacting PR offices of games retailers, or perhaps similar to what I write here. But that would be because of original reporting -- what Edge did to put together its story.

The real story here may be an increase in single-player PS3 games during the PlayStation Network outage, while Sony console users wait it out. Perhaps NPD can answer that when May retail game numbers release next month.

Let me know your thoughts.

Nobody I know is selling their PS3s or even thinking about it, a few of my friends already have both consoles but we have all been pretty patient. Just busy and the PSN outage is not that big a deal.

However, there is only one week left of my vacation. I dont get too much time to play during the year so I was planning on lots of PS3 time during my break and I was all kinds of excited for the new MK. So I have been a bit antsy =P ... and a bit flustered =P

Im not really worried about too many people leaving the PS3. On the contrary, Im worried about a massive influx of people signing into the PSN when it comes back up =P

[Omegaice]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

Nobody I know is selling their PS3s or even thinking about it, a few of my friends already have both consoles but we have all been pretty patient. Just busy and the PSN outage is not that big a deal.

However, there is only one week left of my vacation. I dont get too much time to play during the year so I was planning on lots of PS3 time during my break and I was all kinds of excited for the new MK. So I have been a bit antsy =P ... and a bit flustered =P

Im not really worried about too many people leaving the PS3. On the contrary, Im worried about a massive influx of people signing into the PSN when it comes back up =P

LOL! The load will over whelm the one rickety server that Sony has & we all will be right back where we started!

[DaleDark]

I can see people buying 360s in the interim, seeing as used/refurbs can be had relatively on the cheap (I do stress relatively), but seeing as trade in value is barely a 3rd of consumer's original cost (not to mention games, peripherals, dlc, etc....), I can't imagine any sort of mass exodus away from the PS3. That said, pending on how Sony's "make good" efforts are received, it could negatively effect the PS3's, and the next gens successor's future (also stressing could).