Drive (2011)

[csdot]

Originally Posted by Monty70

@csdot

That's not how I saw it.

[Show spoiler]The few people that I have spoken to in person (who have seen the film) all believe he was dying as he drove off. Too much evidence supports this to blow it off as a possibility.
1. Driver left the cash behind. (he had already suggested giving the money to Irene, so if he's ok why not take it)
2. He doesn't return home to the women and child that he loves and risks his life for.
3. Driver sits in his car for an unusual amount of time for someone who has just been in a knife fight. (and been brutally stabbed in the gut) A person would be in dire need of medical attention, unless they knew it wouldn't help anyway.

I don't agree with making a film with such an ambiguous ending, then coming out afterwards in the press and saying that Driver survives to rock and roll in Drive 2. (A sequel to this film would be a terrible idea IMHO)

I still love the film though.

[Show spoiler]1. he left the cash because he knew none of them would be safe if as long as the mob thought they had their money.
2. when she backs out of the elevator and the doors close between them, that is the end of whatever relationship they could have had. she just watched a guy she barely knew stomp a guys head into mush. returning to them wasnt his goal, it was just ensuring they were safe.
3. i always took it that at first hes sort of giving up and succumbing to the wound and then decides that he wants to live and snaps out of it. regardless, its not for that long, maybe 30 seconds. i think anyone would have to catch their breath after going through what he went through.

[Batmon77]

I like this flick but its not that deep.

[Monty70]

Originally Posted by csdot

[Show spoiler]1. he left the cash because he knew none of them would be safe if as long as the mob thought they had their money.
2. when she backs out of the elevator and the doors close between them, that is the end of whatever relationship they could have had. she just watched a guy she barely knew stomp a guys head into mush. returning to them wasnt his goal, it was just ensuring they were safe.
3. i always took it that at first hes sort of giving up and succumbing to the wound and then decides that he wants to live and snaps out of it. regardless, its not for that long, maybe 30 seconds. i think anyone would have to catch their breath after going through what he went through.

[Show spoiler]1. By the end of the film, Driver and Irene were the only people alive that were connected to the robbery. If they disappear it would be impossible for anyone to track them down.

2. If the relationship was over, why the phone call by driver to tell Irene that their relationship was "the best thing that ever happened to him"? (I still think Driver knew he would have trade his life for a chance to kill Rose, remember that Driver told Irene in the same call that "he had to go somewhere that he couldn't come back from") If Irene was finished with Driver why did she go to his room looking for him after he called her? (she looked pretty destroyed to me walking back to her room)

3. Take another look at driver's clothes when he finally starts his car and drives away. I saw enough dried blood to suggest that he sat there for a few minutes, perhaps in shock.

Again, this was just my take on the ending of the film. You are obviously entitled to yours.

Friendly Reminder to everyone here

Remember to use spoiler tags when talking about plot points. Not everyone who comes here to read has seen the film yet.

[Presence]

Originally Posted by LucasEatWorld

This honestly makes no sense. And the blabber afterwards to try and explain it made even less sense.

Well! Let me jump through hoops and explain myself!

I feel sorry for people like you. To have such a narrow outlook on life.

[Thieves Dont]

Originally Posted by pmontreux

Well! Let me jump through hoops and explain myself!

I feel sorry for people like you. To have such a narrow outlook on life.

No offense, but he kinda had a point regarding the film. Refn has explained the film numerous times, especially the ending and whatever interpretations there may be. Now, you're completely entitled to see it however you want but fact is, the ending was quite simple and there was nothing more to it.

[Show spoiler]He did survive.
He left them because being around them would only put them in even further danger.

There was nothing philosophical, nor was there an incredibly deep meaning behind anything. It's a classic genre film with an ending inspired by said genre.

[Presence]

Originally Posted by Thieves Dont

No offense, but he kinda had a point regarding the film. Refn has explained the film numerous times, especially the ending and whatever interpretations there may be. Now, you're completely entitled to see it however you want but fact is, the ending was quite simple and there was nothing more to it.

[Show spoiler]He did survive.
He left them because being around them would only put them in even further danger.

There was nothing philosophical, nor was there an incredibly deep meaning behind anything. It's a classic genre film with an ending inspired by said genre.

None offense taken. I'm used to this kind of reaction whenever I or someone offers an unconventional opinion that differs from the norm.

[Batmon77]

[ry35an]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I like this flick but its not that deep.

Agreed. Some people are reading way too much into it.

There's nothing wrong with using your imagination to tie things together but it doesn't make it so either.

[Monty70]

My last word on the subject.

[Show spoiler]When someone is stabbed in the middle of the abdomen with a stiletto, and don't seek immediate medical attention, they bleed out and die.

The director was wrong for filming his ending the way he did (ambiguous) and then telling people how they have to read it.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by Monty70

The director was wrong for filming his ending the way he did and then telling people how they have to read it.

[Presence]

Originally Posted by Monty70

My last word on the subject.

When someone is stabbed in the middle of the abdomen with a stiletto, and don't seek immediate medical attention, they bleed out and die.

The director was wrong for filming his ending the way he did (ambiguous) and then telling people how they have to read it.

Couldn't agree more.

[eiknarf]

Ever notice at the end when Driver and Mr Rose

[Show spoiler]stab each other and we're shown the shadows, that it

(the shadow) looks like a scorpion tail?

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Monty70

[Show spoiler]1. By the end of the film, Driver and Irene were the only people alive that were connected to the robbery. If they disappear it would be impossible for anyone to track them down.

2. If the relationship was over, why the phone call by driver to tell Irene that their relationship was "the best thing that ever happened to him"? (I still think Driver knew he would have trade his life for a chance to kill Rose, remember that Driver told Irene in the same call that "he had to go somewhere that he couldn't come back from") If Irene was finished with Driver why did she go to his room looking for him after he called her? (she looked pretty destroyed to me walking back to her room)

3. Take another look at driver's clothes when he finally starts his car and drives away. I saw enough dried blood to suggest that he sat there for a few minutes, perhaps in shock.

Again, this was just my take on the ending of the film. You are obviously entitled to yours.

Friendly Reminder to everyone here

Remember to use spoiler tags when talking about plot points. Not everyone who comes here to read has seen the film yet.

Right.

We know Mr Rose said, "Only

[Show spoiler] three people remain in the know of the money"

1.IRENE
2.Mr ROSE
3.DRIVER

But we also know that Mr Rose said,

[Show spoiler] "The girl is safe. She's off the grid. But you'll (Driver) be looking over your shoulder the rest of your life"

Why would Driver be

[Show spoiler]looking over his shoulder

? Is it because

[Show spoiler]the East Coast Mob knows

?

So which is it? Do only

[Show spoiler]Irene, Mr Rose and Driver know

? Or do

[Show spoiler] Irene, Mr Rose, Driver and The East Coast Mob know

?


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[retablo]

Originally Posted by Monty70

The director was wrong for filming his ending the way he did (ambiguous) and then telling people how they have to read it.

Yes, and it seemed like a cop out ending to me, almost as if he's taking the easy way out by NOT letting audiences know what's next. Maybe that's the cool, alt thing to do — and it was, back in the 60s. Not every director is perfect, or makes perfect choices, no matter what his or her intention is. Sometimes, they get it wrong. It happens to all artists. I mean, why build up characters and relationships and all that if you are just going to drop it all for the sake of trying to be hip?

[Thieves Dont]

Originally Posted by retablo

Yes, and it seemed like a cop out ending to me, almost as if he's taking the easy way out by NOT letting audiences know what's next. Maybe that's the cool, alt thing to do — and it was, back in the 60s. Not every director is perfect, or makes perfect choices, no matter what his or her intention is. Sometimes, they get it wrong. It happens to all artists. I mean, why build up characters and relationships and all that if you are just going to drop it all for the sake of trying to be hip?

I wouldn't say he was trying to be hip at all, and I fail to see how he "dropped it all" for the sake of doing that? It was a pretty obvious closing. A lot of films have open endings like that, and a lot of them work very well or leave you wanting more. I loved the ending.

The Wrestler had one, Warrior, Pride and Glory, there's been very few in the last few years (so I fail to see how that is considered "hip") and even more going back in film history. Not everything needs a definitive final chapter.

[MEB]

We featured 'Drive' in the Booth Bijou Garage Theater last night. We had 20 guests. The unanimous opinion was it's a great movie! I already knew that, of course.

Mark

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Thieves Dont

I wouldn't say he was trying to be hip at all, and I fail to see how he "dropped it all" for the sake of doing that? It was a pretty obvious closing. A lot of films have open endings like that, and a lot of them work very well or leave you wanting more. I loved the ending.

The Wrestler had one, Warrior, Pride and Glory, there's been very few in the last few years (so I fail to see how that is considered "hip") and even more going back in film history. Not everything needs a definitive final chapter.

It does if the director comes out in interviews and clearly states that he lives. If you know the answer, why play games with the audience other than just to play games? No to mention, the book has a sequel coming out, so if it's obvious that the Driver lives, why even give the impression that he might not? It's unnecessary drama for drama's sake.

It's fine if people liked it — I liked the first 30 minutes before the film took a nose-dive for me — but it came across to me, along with the rest of the film, as pretentious and smug. I liked the director's previous film though, so we'll see how his career pans out.

The Wrestler wasn't open ended at all.. it's pretty clear what happened.

[sancho]

This movie rocked. Great movie IMO.

[Thieves Dont]

Originally Posted by retablo

It does if the director comes out in interviews and clearly states that he lives. If you know the answer, why play games with the audience other than just to play games? No to mention, the book has a sequel coming out, so if it's obvious that the Driver lives, why even give the impression that he might not? It's unnecessary drama for drama's sake.

It's fine if people liked it — I liked the first 30 minutes before the film took a nose-dive for me — but it came across to me, along with the rest of the film, as pretentious and smug. I liked the director's previous film though, so we'll see how his career pans out.

The Wrestler wasn't open ended at all.. it's pretty clear what happened.

Did Ram live or die?

[nelly_platinum]

Originally Posted by Thieves Dont

Did Ram live or die?

im pretty sure he died