4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Tech-UK]

4K Blu-ray will be beneficial for both old and new.

The increase in resolution isn't the only upgrade over current Blu-ray, larger colour gamut (basically the increase of colours) and an increase in dynamic range will benefit old films as well.

In actual fact, new films that have been shot digitally at a resolution lower than 4K, will not really benefit from the increase in resolution, but in the other aspects, unless the film has been shot following Rec. 709 and at 8-bit colour depth.

Whereas something shot on film, will have more information than any digital medium (current consumer available media anyway), so you can tap in to that with 4K Blu-ray.

[hajiketobu]

Originally Posted by Trigen

Considering the few number of people who have upgraded from Sony BR to its "Mastered in 4k" BR's, how likely are people to upgrade their collection; with the exception of a few favorite titles.

4k BR will be most beneficial for new releases; however, for older titles, I do not see the sales being strong.

You can't compare people who bought Mastered in 4K - 1080p BR releases to people who will actually buy 4k BR releases.

That is a very flawed comparison.

And Tech-UK is right.

[saprano]

In the beginning i think 4K bluray is going to be used for mostly the latest blockbuster titles. I don't think we're going to get any classics or 80's and 90's films for awhile. Some classics on bluray are still just a few years old. And already look good from their restorations. I have a few titles from Fox studio classics. I doubt those are getting any 4K release anytime soon. I wouldn't buy them over again anyway. Like i said, the bluray restoration already looks good. I'm going to be picky with my purchases. Star Wars collection in 4K, that makes sense.


Studios can't half ass the PQ either if for example Universal decides to bring a few of their catalogue titles to 4KBD. The piece of garbage work they pull off bluray won't pass with 4KBD. I mean they can if they want to but it will just make the format look bad. Some already think the difference between DVD and bluray is minimal, how do think they're going to feel about bluray to 4K with fooliversal's copy and paste work? Every title needs to be reference and take full advantage of the format if they want this to be successful. There are blurays that still get released with pristine PQ. 4KBD is going to have stand out on its own. This is why i always complain about them having to use completely new superior standards.

[Geoff D]

Trouble is sap, the overwhelmingly majority of new releases are still finished at 2K, so anyone wanting the latest Marvel movie or Fast and Furious flick in 4K are gonna be SOOL. There are SOME new 4K movies for sure, but it'll be catalogue titles at the vanguard for pretty much everyone apart from Sony. They have the biggest selection of newer 4K titles, but they're not too happy with BD in general, they have their own 4K download service to shill and I don't think Smurfs 2 and After Earth are gonna shift too many units in 4K, so the company with the biggest 4K library could end up being very ambivalent about 4K BD.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

4K Blu-ray will be beneficial for both old and new.

The increase in resolution isn't the only upgrade over current Blu-ray, larger colour gamut (basically the increase of colours) and an increase in dynamic range will benefit old films as well.

In actual fact, new films that have been shot digitally at a resolution lower than 4K, will not really benefit from the increase in resolution, but in the other aspects, unless the film has been shot following Rec. 709 and at 8-bit colour depth.

Whereas something shot on film, will have more information than any digital medium (current consumer available media anyway), so you can tap in to that with 4K Blu-ray.

If Stage 1 4k Blu-ray really is only 8 bit color and 4:2:0 with Rec. 709 gamut on a 50 GB disc, then the format is being debuted with a whimper and may die out before they ever increase the quality.

[David M]

It's 100gb, higher than 8 bit, Rec 2020.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Lyris

It's 100gb, higher than 8 bit, Rec 2020.

What source are you getting your info from that the first iteration of 4k Blu-ray will be at least 10 bit with Rec. 2020 support on 100 GB discs? It would be great if true.

[David M]

No promises on what the first titles will use, that's up to the studios, but that's the format.
As for Rec.2020, keep in mind that's the maximum gamut. I'd hope that something more practical on the display side (P3) will become standard in the industry for UHD content.

[Canada]

http://twit.tv/show/home-theater-geeks/237

When they start talking about HDMI 2.0 is about 35 minutes in. You can't have a maximum of doing 18 gigs per second while having HDCP 2.2. on HDMI 2.0 .

[Geoff D]

I just hope that they don't forget about us po' boys with rec 709 UHD equipment re: gamut mapping.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Canada

http://twit.tv/show/home-theater-geeks/237

When they start talking about HDMI 2.0 is about 35 minutes in. You can't have a maximum of doing 18 gigs per second while having HDCP 2.2. on HDMI 2.0 .

You can, but the chips that do both are very thin on the ground. But HDMI 2.0 lite can still carry 10 or 12-bit 4:2:2 4K video at up to 30fps, so don't pay too much attention to the doom and gloom in that video.

[mrpink134]

Reading these post is the main reason why I have never bought a 4K TV. Heck they just started HDMI 1.4 and now they are talking about 2.0? It seems to me the studios do not know what they want or how to do it? I just might have to wait 2 years until the dust settles. I refuse to buy a TV or receiver and have it outdated in 6 months.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Lyris

....that's the format

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You can, but the chips that do both are very thin on the ground.

Correct.
18 Gbps/HDCP 2.2 should be more prolific in consumer TVs in the 1st-2nd quarter of next year.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...so don't pay too much attention to the doom and gloom in that video.

Doom and gloom aside, I would highly doubt that anything regarding UHD/4K in that Holiday video offering is unique or more detail specific to anything that has been previously posted in the Blu-ray tech forum of Blu-ray.com weeks, months, or even for that matter, years ago.

And if some want to nitpick or condescend about the exact number of pixels in UHD/4K as opposed to D-Cinema 4K, well, we can, and have done nitpicking to the exact data rate of ‘full’ HDMI 2.0…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7+#post8090709

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Reading these post is the main reason why I have never bought a 4K TV....

Don’t buy a drone. It’s ‘future-proof’ aspect is worse than TVs.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Reading these post is the main reason why I have never bought a 4K TV. Heck they just started HDMI 1.4 and now they are talking about 2.0? It seems to me the studios do not know what they want or how to do it? I just might have to wait 2 years until the dust settles. I refuse to buy a TV or receiver and have it outdated in 6 months.

Exactly I want to buy an Arcam receiver but I am going to wait until all this HDMI 2.0 uncertainty becomes gets settled. I am not about to spend 2 grand to see it become old technology in two or three years.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Don’t buy a drone. It’s ‘future-proof’ aspect is worse than TVs.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

There's always something down the road that's newer and improved.

[Penton-Man]

Canned Heat - On The Road Again [HQ] - YouTube

http://www.cesweb.org/Conference/Con...4K-UHD-Content