4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[ZIROK]

So with all this registration , what happens when my Player dies. I can't go to the other room and use a different player? Or after I die and my Kid inherits the collection , He will have to pay to watch for 2 years.
No Thanks

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I guess we have vastly different concepts of what constitutes the lesser of two evils in a case like this.

Sure, 4K will be better than 1080p, but I don't personally think the difference will be worth putting up with such terrible measures.

As far as I'm concerned, implementing that kind of drm on a disc-based movie media it the retail equivelant of the companies involved trying to anally rape their customers. So in a case like this (if that kind of DRM gets implemented), it's a choice between sticking with regular Blu-Ray with the freedom it provides, or being SO desperate to "keep up with the Jonses" and have as good if not better of a set up as your neighbor that you not only bend over and take it from these companies, but respond to it by saying "Please, sir, may I have another?"

And that latter option is what you consider the lesser of two evils. No thanks!

Yeah, to each his own. Regardless of format, I'll always gravitate to that which has the best quality. I could stand having to put up with needing my Blu-ray player connected to the internet. Heck, everything else is connected anyway. But what I could NOT stand is knowing I am watching second best quality material because I'm a control freak. All the pride and enjoyment of knowing I have the best presentation available would go out the window. It would make me feel stuck in the past. No thanks.

Regarding content control, I love it as much as anyone else. I have 3 Oppo players (a 95 and two 93's) all hooked up in different rooms and all with ISO support. I just love having the best PQ more.

But like I said, hopefully it won't come down to that. After all, it was an April fool's joke yesterday.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by ZIROK

So with all this registration , what happens when my Player dies. I can't go to the other room and use a different player? Or after I die and my Kid inherits the collection , He will have to pay to watch for 2 years.
No Thanks

WTF are people talking about this still? It's a rumor, a bad one and I seriously think it would never happen.

[KRW1]

I think they know us luddites well enough not to implement things like this. I've got money waiting for 4k, but any sign of this sort of thing, and I might just well decide I'm happy enough with 1080p for a few more years. It's beyond my expectations as is.

Besides, a big pull of physical media is being able to sell to countries and areas with less than stellar internet access. This sort of thing would kill it dead.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by KRW1

I think they know us luddites well enough not to implement things like this. I've got money waiting for 4k, but any sign of this sort of thing, and I might just well decide I'm happy enough with 1080p for a few more years. It's beyond my expectations as is.

Besides, a big pull of physical media is being able to sell to countries and areas with less than stellar internet access. This sort of thing would kill it dead.

That last one is a very good point. I think Europe might end up being the last bastion of physical media because you've got so many countries with different broadband infrastructures and whatnot that it'll be easier to give them/us 4K on a shiny disc rather than squirted down a phone line.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That last one is a very good point. I think Europe might end up being the last bastion of physical media because you've got so many countries with different broadband infrastructures and whatnot that it'll be easier to give them/us 4K on a shiny disc rather than squirted down a phone line.

Aye, and emerging markets too. I've got some nice Indian discs. For a vast, vast number of people the easiest and most convenient way to store and transfer data is by disc and it'll remain so for years.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I can understand that Fox wants to be paid for their content but they have a serious obsession with DRM. I am waiting for the day when Fox proposes a DRM system that requires a camera pointed at the viewers to make sure that there isn't an excessive number of people in the room. Of course they would have to license that patent from Microsoft...

Don’t even think of such things. It’s creepy enough that a “third party’ is capable of listening to us – http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31296188

And who’s to say that said “third party” doesn’t have in its employ, an Edward Snowden-type.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I guess we have vastly different concepts of what constitutes the lesser of two evils in a case like this.

Sure, 4K will be better than 1080p, but I don't personally think the difference will be worth putting up with such terrible measures.

As far as I'm concerned, implementing that kind of drm on a disc-based movie media it the retail equivelant of the companies involved trying to anally rape their customers. So in a case like this (if that kind of DRM gets implemented), it's a choice between sticking with regular Blu-Ray with the freedom it provides, or being SO desperate to "keep up with the Jonses" and have as good if not better of a set up as your neighbor that you not only bend over and take it from these companies, but respond to it by saying "Please, sir, may I have another?"

My goodness, I wonder what the unedited version read like. You know if you lived in Indiana and said something like that....I wonder if the establishment would deny you service.

[Kirsty_Mc]

All this online authentication talk reminds me of WMV-HD which Microsft tried to foist on the market before Blu-Ray was released.

If they wanted to kill UHD Blu-Ray, then this would be the way to go. Personally I think a lot of this FUD is from the pro-streaming community and bitter and twisted HD-DVD fanboys.

Then again, it may be one of those Machiavellian things that was released as a (near) "April Fools" prank to gauge reaction from their loyal customer base. I hope if this is the case that they have got the message.

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

WTF are people talking about this still? It's a rumor, a bad one and I seriously think it would never happen.

Really? Microsoft would disagree with that assessment.


http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/x...ames-reversal/


The X-Box One was ready to go with said DRM and all. Only when the gamers threatened a boycott and not buy anything from MS, did they finally relent.



I agree. It's a bad idea, but don't sit there and say that it would never happen.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

...Personally I think a lot of this FUD is from the pro-streaming community and bitter and twisted HD-DVD fanboys.

Some of them still refuse, to this day, to spell Blu-ray correctly or, to link to this forum. Especially, the Tech forum.

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

Then again, it may be one of those Machiavellian things that was released as a (near) "April Fools" prank to gauge reaction from their loyal customer base. I hope if this is the case that they have got the message.

The ‘hacked email’ posted on that outside website is a fake…in fact, I doubt if any of Victor’s emails were exposed by the hack. Conversely, the pdf presentation/post I did on the last page by the Fox spokesperson is legitimate.

Everything else in between (some with merit, some not) is speculative entertainment.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

I agree. It's a bad idea, but don't sit there and say that it would never happen.

Apples and oranges. Gamers have been using CD Keys and activations for years. There is no successful precedent in the home video market for that kind. DIVX failed spectacularly. You think the studios would repeat that disaster?


A single console playing a single format of discs at $60 a pop isn't like a video format where dozens of players by different manufacturers play discs from multiple studios. Only in the PC market can you do that.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If 1-4 are true... I'm not supporting this. No one else should either.

Well I certainly won't be. As much as I am excited for 4K, we might as well just use streaming or downloads if this is the case. No connection for the night meaning SD playback sounds like a sick joke to me.

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Apples and oranges. Gamers have been using CD Keys and activations for years.

Pirates have been copying movies for decades. Your point? Hell, even people were recording off of HBO which is against the law and duping VHS tapes. Piracy has been around longer than the gamer's world my friend. If anyone's logic is flawed, it's definitely yours.

You're sitting there with a straight face saying that the studios would NEVER do something as unpopular as restrictive DRM and I'm saying that your wrong.

Sony Records spent MILLIONS developing an anti-copying track on their CD's which made them unreadable by 90% of the world's CD-ROM's. What happened? A "youngin" defeated this tactic with a felt tipped marker.

Microsoft X-Box One's DRM was used as an example of what companies dream about when it comes to DRM and the control of their products. The only reason Microsoft backed down is because the customers expressed their outrage and REFUSED to support MS in any way, shape or form until this was resolved. It also came to a point where you had several lawsuits being filed against MS for such restrictive DRM.

DRM is DRM. That's why the studios are praying that UV and streaming takes off. They're doing this because then they hold the keys to the house so to speak. It's all about CONTROL.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

There is no successful precedent in the home video market for that kind. DIVX failed spectacularly. You think the studios would repeat that disaster?

You talk about "apples to oranges" and yet, you bring up DiviX? DiviX was a RENTAL based service that was created by Circuit City. You could not purchase a DiviX disc to OWN. Try again.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

A single console playing a single format of discs at $60 a pop isn't like a video format where dozens of players by different manufacturers play discs from multiple studios. Only in the PC market can you do that.

Actually that has been done before by SEVERAL game manufacturers. For example;

The JVC X'EYE was a CD based console that played the Sega Genesis and Sega CD software.

The Goldstar 3DO was a console that played the Panasonic 3DO software, but was cheaper than the Panasonic model.


Does it really matter? Overly restrictive DRM is DRM.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

Sony Records spent MILLIONS developing an anti-copying track on their CD's which made them unreadable by 90% of the world's CD-ROM's. What happened? A "youngin" defeated this tactic with a felt tipped marker.

Ha! I remember that one. That was pretty damn funny how easily defeated that was!

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Ha! I remember that one. That was pretty damn funny how easily defeated that was!

To be fair all it ever takes is time

[Blu-ray Neo]

The point of the matter is this...

Every single DVD and BD that are in my collection (8,400 total) were ALL legally purchased and are studio pressed discs.

I'm not a thief nor am I a pirate, but it really peels my onion to the nub when I, the legitimate consumer is treated like a criminal with this oppressive DRM. If that's the road the Blu-ray 4K decides to take, then that's the choice that they have made and I will make the hard choice of not participating in it.

Like others have said. If this turns out to be true, then count me out. I'm done.

[Wendell R. Breland]

IMO, what we need is a way to communicate to the BDA our resentment of UHD BD needing internet access in order to play a disc. Most would probably be OK with required internet access in order to use the managed copy feature. P man or anyone else here have access to the BDA?

[bruceames]

It's really up to the studios and the BDA would just have to accept it or no. If their stance is take it or leave it and the BDA says no, then UHD BD is dead in the water. Of course the BDA doesn't want those restrictions. They would prefer the least restrictive DMR in order to get the studios on board.

But do the studios really care about UHD BD enough to worry about consumer backlash? I don't think so. At best, UHD BD will be a niche of a niche. The sales potential will be about 5-10 percent of the Xbox One software (and maybe a third of BLu-ray's disappointing peak) and furthermore there's no competition to worry about. And actually if you consider digital as competition the studios won't mind have less competition against digital at all. That's where they want the dollars to go because they want to get more control over access and distribution. The studios are certainly not fans of First Sale.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

It's really up to the studios

Do not agree, last time I looked all the studios were members of the BDA, as such they should be made aware about our concerns regarding DRM.

For other readers: The next unknown will be the quality of releases on UHD BD. IF the content on the Sony 4K/UHD Unlimited service is an indicator of what’s to come on UHD BD then the immediate future is not very good. I have used the preview to evaluate several titles of interest and so far see no reason to upgrade over the BD counterpart. The exception may be LoA, looks amazing for an old film. Having said that, you should see some of the better UHD clips from YouTube (played back via the Sony FMP-X10), they show what the format is capable of and it can be quite spectacular.

IMO, till we see a lot more content shot AND mastered ≥ 4K then UHD BD will not offer much over BD. An example, The Monuments Men (ARRIRAW 2.8K, 4K DI), could see very little difference between BD and SEN UHD version.