4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[bailey1987]

Speaking of the Kingman: The Secret Service why would it need a Digital HD copy if the digital bridge feature is in use? One can assume the feature is not implemented yet, also it looks as if both the disc and the player needs to be enabled.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Speaking of the Kingman: The Secret Service why would it need a Digital HD copy if the digital bridge feature is in use? One can assume the feature is not implemented yet, also it looks as if both the disc and the player needs to be enabled.

The last part better not be true.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Well I have to admit I'm a bit annoyed at the lack of information on the launch of this format. IFA has only two days left and we still only know that Samsung 'hopes' to have a player out in 2016, this serves little to no purpose in my life as by the time Christmas 2016 rolls round there is bound to be many players on the market. If the format is not out for Christmas 2015 I will save it for Christmas 2016 as I always save expensive items for Christmas Day, it keeps the Christmas spirit alive and I feel like a child again.

I was expecting concrete information on this by now, something also tells me that the package shot of Kingsman: The Secret Service is not final.

I think it is a bit tricky at this point and we might get a bit more info later this month (CEDIA).

We don't know launch plans, but IFA is a European show with info for the European market. Often it does scoop out CEDIA since CEDIA is a bit later in the month, but if UHD BD does not have a Global Launch ( for example If I remember correctly, DVD launched in Q4 1996 in Japan, Q1 1997 in the US, 1998 in Europe and 1999 in Australia, BD launched in Q1 2006 in Japan, Q2 in the US and Q3 in Europe) it is possible that Europe might only get it in 2016 and so there was no need to make a big deal about it at IFA.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Speaking of the Kingman: The Secret Service why would it need a Digital HD copy if the digital bridge feature is in use? One can assume the feature is not implemented yet, also it looks as if both the disc and the player needs to be enabled.

You never know. DC, UV, and Digital bridge all mean more or less the same thing. t is just the need to rebrand it in order to try and make it look more appealing.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Speaking of the Kingman: The Secret Service why would it need a Digital HD copy if the digital bridge feature is in use? One can assume the feature is not implemented yet, also it looks as if both the disc and the player needs to be enabled.

It could be for those that don't have a UHD BD player yet but are picking up the combo pack to future proof their purchase. Those with standard Blu-ray players would need the UV code.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think it is a bit tricky at this point and we might get a bit more info later this month (CEDIA).

We don't know launch plans, but IFA is a European show with info for the European market. Often it does scoop out CEDIA since CEDIA is a bit later in the month, but if UHD BD does not have a Global Launch ( for example If I remember correctly, DVD launched in Q4 1996 in Japan, Q1 1997 in the US, 1998 in Europe and 1999 in Australia, BD launched in Q1 2006 in Japan, Q2 in the US and Q3 in Europe) it is possible that Europe might only get it in 2016 and so there was no need to make a big deal about it at IFA.

Good point.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

The last part better not be true.

Don't know what you mean by that. To me it just makes sense. Why should every player be forced to have the digital bridge feature if the person buying that player is not interested in that feature?


I know some people are overly excited on this aspect, but others, like myself can't care less while others might only care a bit about it (want both a cheap player for some places with out the bridge and the bridge on other players).

The issue (the way I personally see it for myself) IS:

If we are talking a small digital copy, it can be good for someone that wants a handful of films on his phone or tablet for a trip, but I will never be interested with such a copy siting in front of a TV (there is a reason I am looking forward to UHD BD).

Now if we are talking about a 1-1 digital copy (the same file and size as the UHD BD) then quality is not an issue but we are probably talking 10-20 films/TB and those numbers are just way too small for a collector like myself, I would need 4-5 4TB drives a year at best and that becomes both expensive and impractical especially when one considers the alternative (i.e. on the way to my seat I need to press eject and put the disk in the player). this can work for a renter that only buys a handful of films a year and has no issue buying the over priced bridge player with 4TB of storage.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Don't know what you mean by that. To me it just makes sense. Why should every player be forced to have the digital bridge feature if the person buying that player is not interested in that feature?


I know some people are overly excited on this aspect, but others, like myself can't care less while others might only care a bit about it (want both a cheap player for some places with out the bridge and the bridge on other players).

The issue (the way I personally see it for myself) IS:

If we are talking a small digital copy, it can be good for someone that wants a handful of films on his phone or tablet for a trip, but I will never be interested with such a copy siting in front of a TV (there is a reason I am looking forward to UHD BD).

Now if we are talking about a 1-1 digital copy (the same file and size as the UHD BD) then quality is not an issue but we are probably talking 10-20 films/TB and those numbers are just way too small for a collector like myself, I would need 4-5 4TB drives a year at best and that becomes both expensive and impractical especially when one considers the alternative (i.e. on the way to my seat I need to press eject and put the disk in the player). this can work for a renter that only buys a handful of films a year and has no issue buying the over priced bridge player with 4TB of storage.

I'm talking about online authentication of discs and players. I don't care about Digital Bridge. Having a key that could go POOF! is not something I'd care to have as a "feature."

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I'm talking about online authentication of discs and players. I don't care about Digital Bridge. Having a key that could go POOF! is not something I'd care to have as a "feature."

I am with you on that, but I think you misread bailey1987's post

"Speaking of the Kingman: The Secret Service why would it need a Digital HD copy if the digital bridge feature is in use? One can assume the feature is not implemented yet, also it looks as if both the disc and the player needs to be enabled. "

there is nothing in it about authentication. He is saying that he believes the pic has UHD BD, BD +DC because the first players might not be DB enabled/compatible and so Fox went with DC and he is further wondering if that means that if there is a DB enabled player if the DB could be used to make the DC or if it can only make an old fashion DC.

[raygendreau]

So, here is the latest information on the digital bridge from the BDA:
“According to an interview with Matsuda, the digital bridge will offer two functions: copy and export. “Copy” permits a bit-for-bit copy to be stored on an authorized media drive, while “export” allows a file to be transferred to an authorized media device.”

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/2...s-by-christmas

We know that Samsung and Fox (Innovation Lab) originated the Digital Bridge concept and pushed for its inclusion in the BDA specs. The net result was inclusion as an option that may or may not included by UHD BR player manufacturers and may or may not offered by studios/retailers.

If the studios/retailers include the optional copies, there are several possibilities. They may include a bit for bit UHD copy for transfer to a secure HDD (COPY OPTION) and/or a specific number of copies at UHD or lower resolution for other devices (EXPORT OPTION) (Smartphone , tablets, etc.). It will depend on the offer. There may or may not be a fee charged for these additional copies. Whatever the offer is, it should be clearly stated on the packaging.

We also know that Samsung and Fox are already providing content that is compatible with the Digital Bridge via VIDITY retailer M-GO and the VIDITY storage device WD Cinema Passport. VIDITY is the brand name for SCSA. (See the Bruce Ames VIDITY thread in this forum) SCSA provides the copy protection for the export copies.

We also know that the Samsung prototype UHD BR player shown at IFA 2015 has a USB 3.0 interface on the front panel. The same interface used by the WD Cinema Passport. So, it is quite possible, even probable, that at launch or in a later player, Samsung will include the Digital Bridge option and the options listed on the artwork you are referring to for Kingsman could mean the package includes a UHD BR a BD and a free Digital HD copy for the EXPORT COPY. I haven’t checked recently, but I believe that the inclusion of a Digital Bridge Logo on the UHD BR means that a bit for bit copy (COPY OPTION) is mandatory. The last I read, the bit for bit copy could be transferred to an internal drive or an external protected drive (think SCSA/VIDITY). So it is possible that the bit for bit copy could be downloaded from the player to a WD Cinema Passport or an equivalent external VIDITY protected drive using the USB 3.0 connection.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2490690,00.asp

The preliminary artwork by itself actually tells you nothing about the digital bridge.

[bailey1987]

Sony's new projectors are enticing: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...y-jvc-ifa.html

Apparently they are fully featured as well, supporting all aspects of Ultra HD Blu-ray. You know what they say if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Still Sony insists on using a 4096x2160 pixel ratio, I wonder if they know something? Hardly anything to complain about but we all know Ultra HD Blu-ray tops out at 3840x2160.

[Geoff D]

I wouldn't read anything into that whatsoever, Sony have a professional arm and it was probably easier to make the 4K projector line 4096 res (then and now) so it could cross over with less hassle, seeing as they're very much expensive niche products anyway. Why not apply the same rationale to their pro LCD monitors then, Geoff? Because the ones used in da biz are the OLED monitors, the pro LCDs are more for display signage and whatnot.

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I wouldn't read anything into that whatsoever, Sony have a professional arm and it was probably easier to make the 4K projector line 4096 res (then and now) so it could cross over with less hassle, seeing as they're very much expensive niche products anyway. Why not apply the same rationale to their pro LCD monitors then, Geoff? Because the ones used in da biz are the OLED monitors, the pro LCDs are more for display signage and whatnot.

That'll be the reason.

[ronjones]

FYI - although they got almost no press coverage, Panasonic also had a prototype Ultra HD Blu-ray player being demo'ed at IFA.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by ronjones

FYI - although they got almost no press coverage, Panasonic also had a prototype Ultra HD Blu-ray player being demo'ed at IFA.

Same prototype shown at CES 2015 in January.

Funny guy, when asked about price he says between $1 and $1 Million. Not very informative.

Panasonic UHD Blu-Ray DVD Player at CES 2015 - YouTube

Did you see this post? https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=3544

[raygendreau]

"The player picked up a Top Tech of IFA award from Digital Trends, the big tech website that as of August was getting more than 20 million visitors a month, while Samsung’s accompanying 4K TV was named Best of Show."

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/hig...ards-ifa-36616

Someone at Home Media Magazine needs to do a better job of proofreading:

The winners of Digital Trends’ Best of IFA Awards 2015 are:

Best of Show: Panasonic CZ950 OLED 4K TV
Best Audio: Yamaha YSP-5600
Best Video: Samsung UBD-K8500 4K UHD Blu-ray player
Best Wearable: Samsung Gear S2
Best Mobile: Sony Xperia Z5 series
Best Sports & Fitness: Moov Now
Best Home Appliance: Haier Duo washing machine
Best Smart Home: Neato Botvac Connected
Best Computing: Acer Predator 15 & 17
Cool Tech: LG OLED Flexible displays

read:http://www.digitaltrends.com/press-r...award-winners/

[raygendreau]

"In essence, the UHD Alliance wants to define “premium quality specifications” for “next-generation entertainment experiences”. This will be accompanied by an official certification program and a logo for TVs. This is great news considering the recent dilution of HDR (high dynamic range). With the new premium specifications we think it is safe to assume that mid-range TVs (such as those from Sony and Samsung that will receive an update for “HDR”) will not make the cut."


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1441783679

[Geoff D]

There's Advanced Premium and Premium, the latter will encompass most of the bigger manufacturer's 4K sets thus far which can easily handle SDR, sRGB/.709 and CIE 2000 delta errors for colour @ less than 5, e.g. I've calibrated my own 2014 Sony set down to an average dE of 1.63 for the primaries and secondaries. Heck, its native gamut (measured in the service mode) is also much wider than .709, but there will be no update forthcoming to actually enable the mapping and display of WCG content. Balls.

[raygendreau]

We may have to wait for 2017 to see a consumer Samsung OLED TV, but with Panasonic's entry (CZ950), the heat is on. Will they also be using the LGD OLED panel?

"I know Samsung doesn't want LG to gain more share in OLEDs. Samsung is more than just considering OLEDs, it's committed to producing them," Brian Daniels, senior vice president from performance materials-advanced technologies division at Merck, said in an interview with The Korea Times at the Merck headquarters last week.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/new...33_186285.html

[ronjones]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Same prototype shown at CES 2015 in January.

Funny guy, when asked about price he says between $1 and $1 Million. Not very informative.

Panasonic UHD Blu-Ray DVD Player at CES 2015 - YouTube

Did you see this post? https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=3544

Not the SAME prototype as the one at CES only had partial functionality and no HDR support. The one at IFA is closer to what can be expected from the production unit.