4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Final nail? We knew this on ps4 launch day

Some users here and somewhere else said otherwise....

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As long as it's encoded akin to PsF (each progressive frame split into two segments, instead of each interlaced field representing its own individual moving part of the signal) then it's fairly easy for even a half-decent player to recombine the progressive 30p signal, which is then output as frame doubled 60p (or 50p in the case of 25fps sources) as you say.

But as for 30p specifically, that's not included in the UHD BD specs at all. There's 23.976p, 24p, 25p, 50p, 59.94p, 60p, but no 30p which I guess was just too niche of a frame rate (same goes for 48p too).

They dropped 30 fps UHD support? Dang it!!

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Some users here and somewhere else said otherwise....

Sony probably wants you to get their...



wait for it...






PS5 for UHD Blu-ray support.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Sony probably wants you to get their...



wait for it...






PS5 for UHD Blu-ray support.

I don't think a PS5 will have a disc drive at all....

It's BDA that is launching this format 3 years too late....

With PS4 and XONE they would have had 40M Players sold automatically right now...

Prepare for 600$ stand-alone players

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Prepare for 600$ stand-alone players

I would suspect most basic models will be a little south of $500 street.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Sony probably wants you to get their...



wait for it...






PS5 for UHD Blu-ray support.

If UHD is backwards compatible, I wouldn't be amazed to see a PS4.1 at some point in 2017.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Some users here and somewhere else said otherwise....

Goes to prove a few things about a few people

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by KRW1

If UHD is backwards compatible, I wouldn't be amazed to see a PS4.1 at some point in 2017.

UHD Blu-ray is not backwards compatible. It uses an entirely new disc structure to add data layers. You need a player that can read these new discs.

What Sony is saying is that they don't want to have to install new UHD Blu-ray drives nor chips that can decode H.265, or read 10 bit, HDR, etc. content in an expanded PS4 that is already almost at the end of its life cycle.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

UHD Blu-ray is not backwards compatible. It uses an entirely new disc structure to add data layers. You need a player that can read these new discs.

What Sony is saying is that they don't want to have to install new UHD Blu-ray drives nor chips that can decode H.265, or read 10 bit, HDR, etc. content in an expanded PS4 that is already almost at the end of its life cycle.

Lol no

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

UHD Blu-ray is not backwards compatible. It uses an entirely new disc structure to add data layers. You need a player that can read these new discs.

What Sony is saying is that they don't want to have to install new UHD Blu-ray drives nor chips that can decode H.265, or read 10 bit, HDR, etc. content in an expanded PS4 that is already almost at the end of its life cycle.

What????

It's not even 2 years old! It will last at least 5 more years....

And you are wrong: PS4 can easily decode H.265, we are talking about the disc drive here....

And that's the nail in the coffin for BDA: a firmware upgrade will make it compatible with UHD streaming services but NOT with UHD Blu-ray DISCS...

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

What????

It's not even 2 years old! It will last at least 5 more years....

And you are wrong: PS4 can easily decode H.265, we are talking about the disc drive here....

And that's the nail in the coffin for BDA: a firmware upgrade will make it compatible with UHD streaming services but NOT with UHD Blu-ray DISCS...

I think he means in 2017 which is a bit more reasonable but I think we're looking at 2020 before the PS5. I cant see the PS4 slowing down much over the next two years....

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

UHD Blu-ray is not backwards compatible. It uses an entirely new disc structure to add data layers. You need a player that can read these new discs.
.

Bit puzzled by that. My point was if Sony can add a UHD drive that is compatible with current discs and its established as a format (very important), I could see them add one. I'm not saying it's likely, just that I could imagine that and not being too surprised. They won't be driving the format, that's clear, so it depends on demand. (unless you mean UHD players aren't compatible with current blurays in which case I've been left behind knowledge-wise, which wouldn't be the first time)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

They dropped 30 fps UHD support? Dang it!!

Aye, but it's not a recent development. The basic specs were revealed in January (and are confirmed by the recent BD-ROM 3.0 White Paper): https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1245

[sonicyogurt]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

And you are wrong: PS4 can easily decode H.265, we are talking about the disc drive here....

FWIW, Sony Computer Entertainment Executive Vice President Masayasu Ito seems to point to the need for a dedicated H.265 decoder (among other things) to support Ultra HD Blu-ray on the PS4. Admittedly, something might be getting lost along the way in Google Translate, but that sentiment seems to come through really clearly.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by sonicyogurt

FWIW, Sony Computer Entertainment Executive Vice President Masayasu Ito seems to point to the need for a dedicated H.265 decoder (among other things) to support Ultra HD Blu-ray on the PS4. Admittedly, something might be getting lost along the way in Google Translate, but that sentiment seems to come through really clearly.

Yet the fire TV and roku and my phone can....

[sonicyogurt]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Yet the fire TV and roku and my phone can....

I don't know if UHD BD is more demanding or if it's some compliance thing -- maybe it's technically possible but just not allowed -- but Ito seems to know what he's talking about.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by sonicyogurt

I don't know if UHD BD is more demanding or if it's some compliance thing -- maybe it's technically possible but just not allowed -- but Ito seems to know what he's talking about.

And I have seen 4 different translations of it

[halon]

I would gladly sell my PS4 for an updated PS4 with a UHD drive.

[sonicyogurt]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

And I have seen 4 different translations of it

Could you post the translations where he doesn't talk about replacing the H.264 decoding chip with an H.265 decoder w/r/t Ultra HD Blu-ray?

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by sonicyogurt

FWIW, Sony Computer Entertainment Executive Vice President Masayasu Ito seems to point to the need for a dedicated H.265 decoder (among other things) to support Ultra HD Blu-ray on the PS4. Admittedly, something might be getting lost along the way in Google Translate, but that sentiment seems to come through really clearly.

The XB1 has HEVC encode and decode for Skype and Microsoft has plans to support in home UHD streaming using Playready ND to phones and tablets from PCs and Game Consoles. UHD blu-ray with digital bridge will use Playready ND to stream in the home.

"Xbox One supports both 3-D and 4K," Hryb said in response to a question about the console including these features.

Following the Xbox One's unveiling on Tuesday, Microsoft's Yusuf Mehdi told Forbes the console's video and interface will work with HDTVs.

"The video and interface portions [will work with next-gen TVs], absolutely,"

Yoshida in 2013 said the PS4 would stream 4K pictures and home movies but commercial media would wait till some time in the future, (probably related to DRM). If it can stream 4K commercial media then it has HEVC and HDMI 2/HDCP 2.2 but Ito says it doesn't have a HEVC accelerator????

A standard blu-ray drive can't read a 3 layer disk even with firmware update yet in 2010 Sony filed a patent claiming standard blu-ray players could read 3-4 layer Panasonic tweak to 33 GB/layer disks but not reliably. The 2010 BD-R and BDXL specs were supposed to support rewritable disks and 4 layer BDXL which I think standard blu-ray drives can read with firmware update. Is this not true cause Wikipedia has 4-8 layer disks from other companies able to be read on Standard drives with firmware update?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by halon

I would gladly sell my PS4 for an updated PS4 with a UHD drive.

Would rather have a stand alone player with twin HDMI, leave the games machine a games machine