4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Brian81

The LD catalog is quite massive despite never reaching high levels of household penetration in North America. Titles released over a course of roughly 20 years is pretty good.

Beat me to it

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And how well did 3D do? Careful what you wish for.

Some people can't see 3d or don't want to wear glasses, and 3d actually helped spike new tv ownership due to costs per inch dropping dramatically

[Selaboc]

Originally Posted by Brian81

The LD catalog is quite massive despite never reaching high levels of household penetration in North America. Titles released over a course of roughly 20 years is pretty good.

And quite expensive. and quite hard to find in mainstream outlets.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

And quite expensive. and quite hard to find in mainstream outlets.

I have plenty and not a store anywhere near me in the UK sold them.

[Selaboc]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I have plenty and not a store anywhere near me in the UK sold them.

Which contradicts neither of the points I made. In fact you just proved one of them: quite hard to find in mainstream outlets. You had to seek them out from elsewhere since, as you admit, "not a store anywhere near me in the UK sold them". So thank you for backing up my point.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

Which contradicts neither of the points I made. In fact you just proved one of them: quite hard to find in mainstream outlets. You had to seek them out from elsewhere since, as you admit, "not a store anywhere near me in the UK sold them". So thank you for backing up my point.

Hard to find does not equate to people not bothering to find them, retail is dead

[Selaboc]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Hard to find does not equate to people not bothering to find them, retail is dead

Just as dead as physical media. And frankly, the physical media that I would specifically go out of my way to seek out is very small. I already have plenty to watch and 90% of it I picked up in store because it was 1) something that I liked that I happened to see and 2) was available for a reasonable price. Hence why my LD collection is all of *non existent*.If 4K goes the way of LD, my 4K collection will be just as big!

And I dare say, most consumers, if forced to only get their media by shopping online would then opt for download/streaming as it's quicker and more convienient, which would only force 4k BDs into an even smaller niche, possibly so small as to make it not worth the studios time to sell. So if you want your 4K BDs, you better hope retail isn't as dead as you seem to think it is.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

Just as dead as physical media. And frankly, the physical media that I would specifically go out of my way to seek out is very small. I already have plenty to watch and 90% of it I picked up in store because it was 1) something that I liked that I happened to see and 2) was available for a reasonable price. Hence why my LD collection is all of *non existent*.If 4K goes the way of LD, my 4K collection will be just as big!

And I dare say, most consumers, if forced to only get their media by shopping online would then opt for download/streaming as it's quicker and more convienient, which would only force 4k BDs into an even smaller niche, possibly so small as to make it not worth the studios time to sell. So if you want your 4K BDs, you better hope retail isn't as dead as you seem to think it is.

Consumers are the exact opposite of me, the world is going backwards.
For me it's is always Quality > Convenience

[AK65]

Does JPEG support HDR, rec 2020, and 10 bit?

[Nightopian]

What is the video rental scene like over in the US. Do you still have a lot of stores around or are they shutting down?

Over here the ones which are still open are only threre to serve the older generation who arent computer savvy.

Most of them have closed down and I cant see the rest of them lasting the year out. Ive spoken to various owners of the stores and they say the same thing...

Cause? Online downloads...

When a new movie comes out people dont rent, they download it now. It will eventally kill off physical media all together. We all know it...but it may be sooner rather than later...

MS and Sony already hinted at it with their game consoles and are pushing it now harder than ever. People are now downloading their games and buying from the online marketplace instead of buying in store. They try to get 10 years out of a console so these could quite possibly be the last physical media consoles. And they dont support 4K.

4K as a physical media could well go the way of Laserdisc...especially if VHS aka DVD continues to be the consumers choice. It definitely wont get the traction it needs to be the one and only media for all. Theres no time...

[RedIsNotBlue]

Does anyone here have any predictions on what any of the first 4K Blu-ray releases will be? I am thinking Gone Girl from Sony is a likely candidate.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Does anyone here have any predictions on what any of the first 4K Blu-ray releases will be? I am thinking Gone Girl from Sony is a likely candidate.

Way too early for title speculations.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Brian81

The LD catalog is quite massive despite never reaching high levels of household penetration in North America. Titles released over a course of roughly 20 years is pretty good.

I think Ultra HD Blu-ray could do better than Laserdisc if the studios make the format as convenient to watch as possible. Also considering how expensive Laserdisc style pricing would be there are reasons why I would prefer Ultra HD Blu-ray to be a mass market format.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no where does it stipulate an optional DRM, it is saying "Digital Extension or Digital Bridge" will be optional and it's job is not rights management per say but "to make the whole “digital copy” process much easier".

Digital Bridge/Extension sounds like AACS managed copy since it would allow the disc to be copied to a hard drive. That would be a great feature but the studios have the tendency to get paranoid and back out of ideas like this.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Nightopian

What is the video rental scene like over in the US. Do you still have a lot of stores around or are they shutting down?

Over here the ones which are still open are only threre to serve the older generation who arent computer savvy.

Most of them have closed down and I cant see the rest of them lasting the year out. Ive spoken to various owners of the stores and they say the same thing...

Cause? Online downloads...

When a new movie comes out people dont rent, they download it now. It will eventally kill off physical media all together. We all know it...but it may be sooner rather than later...

MS and Sony already hinted at it with their game consoles and are pushing it now harder than ever. People are now downloading their games and buying from the online marketplace instead of buying in store. They try to get 10 years out of a console so these could quite possibly be the last physical media consoles. And they dont support 4K.

4K as a physical media could well go the way of Laserdisc...especially if VHS aka DVD continues to be the consumers choice. It definitely wont get the traction it needs to be the one and only media for all. Theres no time...

In the US, video rental stores are dead except for a handful of independent shops in small rural towns. In the cities and suburbs, they are no more. They have been replaced by Netflix and Redbox.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

And I dare say, most consumers, if forced to only get their media by shopping online would then opt for download/streaming as it's quicker and more convienient, which would only force 4k BDs into an even smaller niche, possibly so small as to make it not worth the studios time to sell. So if you want your 4K BDs, you better hope retail isn't as dead as you seem to think it is.

That's just not true. Have you ever heard of a little shop called Amazon.com? They sell an enormous amount of physical media. I personally watch everything on physical media but I buy the vast majority of it online. If 4K BD is a niche market than the majority of titles will not be easy to find at local stores, but none of them will be hard to find online.

Your comments make it sound like buying physical media online and buying downloads or streaming online are very similar, but buying physical media in a store is completely different.

[AK65]

Yea online shopping is a game changer this time: the cost of storing physical media in is minimal. Blu Rays have been manufactured for a decade so the disc cost should be low. The only bottleneck will be the cost of studios remastering.

[Redshaggydoo]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Yes but the odd things I don't understand if Disney is not so much into releasing 3D...

1. Disney 3D Blu-ray's STILL get released... just overseas and they are region free.

2. Why are they still bothering going forward with the 3D post conversions if they aren't even fully supporting the 3D consumer at home?

But yes you are right. It comes down to the price is a major factor in the low sales of certain 3D discs but you would figure Disney would adjust the pricing to the market or make it so people would be getting more for their money in some way but yes like you said it may be a little too much greed on their part.

Joining late and not with reading the entire post. Another odd move for Disney is locking the UK and other European releases for Ratatouille 3D. It was announced that Pixar planned on releasing Ratatouille and The Incredibles on 3D blu-Ray last year. So it appears that a planned North America launch has coincided with locked blu-Ray while not planned has coincided with region free.

Next; I have been shopping 4K 3D TVS the last few months. Even without 3D content the new TVs convert to 3D in vivid detail. Maybe the new TVs just convert on their own and it's sick so as long as the transfer is 8/4K the disc doesn't need to be in 3D format just change the TV settings to 3D.

[Redshaggydoo]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

Just as dead as physical media. And frankly, the physical media that I would specifically go out of my way to seek out is very small. I already have plenty to watch and 90% of it I picked up in store because it was 1) something that I liked that I happened to see and 2) was available for a reasonable price. Hence why my LD collection is all of *non existent*.If 4K goes the way of LD, my 4K collection will be just as big!

And I dare say, most consumers, if forced to only get their media by shopping online would then opt for download/streaming as it's quicker and more convienient, which would only force 4k BDs into an even smaller niche, possibly so small as to make it not worth the studios time to sell. So if you want your 4K BDs, you better hope retail isn't as dead as you seem to think it is.

I dare say that the U.S. is still unable to deal with bandwith associated with HD and higher content streaming is going to be quite slow unless a complete overhaul is done several times in the next few years to keep up.

[martin6724]

I have been wondering for the last few days, is it now pointless to buy blu-rays
seeing as Ultra HD Blu-ray is just around the corner?

I was planning on buying House Of Cards as well as The Blacklist but I am assuming this will be released on the new format seeing as it was filmed in 4K.
So yeah I don't wanna have to buy the series twice! So I guess I should
just wait for the Ultra HD Blu-ray release...

So I have decided to not buy any new releases on blu-ray only old movies like Supernova or Lake Placid because I doubt those movies will ever be released
on Ultra HD Blu-ray.

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by martin6724

I have been wondering for the last few days, is it now pointless to buy blu-rays
seeing as Ultra HD Blu-ray is just around the corner?

I was planning on buying House Of Cards as well as The Blacklist but I am assuming this will be released on the new format seeing as it was filmed in 4K.
So yeah I don't wanna have to buy the series twice! So I guess I should
just wait for the Ultra HD Blu-ray release...

So I have decided to not buy any new releases on blu-ray only old movies like Supernova or Lake Placid because I doubt those movies will ever be released
on Ultra HD Blu-ray.

I'm continuing to buy them for now, who knows when they will get an Ultra HD release. When a title comes out on Ultra HD I will just sell the normal Blu-ray