Paramount/DreamWorks fallout... a primal scream therapy thread for Blu-ray fans

[hippy fascist]

Originally Posted by buckshot

coming to a blu ray website and throwing out a blanket statement about hating competition is starting shit. much like if I walked up to a guy in an iron maiden shirt and said ''god that band sucks, how can you support such crap''. did you go to the miss manners link? free speech and tactfullness should go hand in hand. :-) which means I should apologize to that coworker with the iron maiden shirt.

No, coming to a blu ray forum and saying blu ray sucks would be comparable

Comig to a blu ray forum and seeing completely biassed views of every positive piece of HD-DVD news is called telling the truth

[tjsmangina]

Originally Posted by buckshot

coming to a blu ray website and throwing out a blanket statement about hating competition is starting shit. much like if I walked up to a guy in an iron maiden shirt and said ''god that band sucks, how can you support such crap''. did you go to the miss manners link? free speech and tactfullness should go hand in hand. :-) which means I should apologize to that coworker with the iron maiden shirt.

do people still wear iron maiden t shirts ? lol,just kidding.my "blanket statement" isnt about hating competition its about SONY thinking they can do what they like.i have no doubt what so ever that ALL the big corps do dirty tricks to get where they are but some of the posters in here are so blind and unwilling to listen to different points of view its ludicrous.i mean people emailing and sending letters into a company because they no longer want to make something for them,then on th eother hand you have people saying F*** PARAMOUNT i wont buy another film or go the cinema again to watch any other there stuff lol.

i have said it before,if blu ray had the films i liked i would own a blu ray player (not a sony one though) and even thought the format itself is sony based amongst others i would much rather have another format win the war.region coding and the price of the hardware is shocking.and why does it take standalone hd dvd and blu ray players so long to load a disc when a 360 add on and ps3 can boot them up in no time ?

[Sane]

Dugg as well

Paramount has obviously ignored the Blu-ray consumer so far. Good to hear Michael Bay hasn't!

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by hippy fascist

How many people would be willing to pay $1000 for a blu-ray player and $30 a disk? Cause that's how much they'd still cost if not for this war. Blu ray will get players out at the $300 mark by march at the latest.

And loathe though most of you will be to admit it

You have HD-DVD to thank for that

Wrong; PS3 would still be $500 (or $350 via a lil rebate promotion) even if HD-DED never existed.

And: Competition should exist between the studios, not the formats. Open formats like CD, DVD, and Blu-ray are not anti-competion. Do you really think DVD would have gone anywhere if replaced by a format warring Super Denisty Disc vs MMCD? I think not.

And: forcing your view (ie. "you know I'm right", "admit it") does not prove any of your allegations.

[Li'l Nicky]

Originally Posted by tjsmangina

do people still wear iron maiden t shirts ? lol,just kidding.my "blanket statement" isnt about hating competition its about SONY thinking they can do what they like.i have no doubt what so ever that ALL the big corps do dirty tricks to get where they are but some of the posters in here are so blind and unwilling to listen to different points of view its ludicrous.i mean people emailing and sending letters into a company because they no longer want to make something for them,then on th eother hand you have people saying **** PARAMOUNT i wont buy another film or go the cinema again to watch any other there stuff lol.

i have said it before,if blu ray had the films i liked i would own a blu ray player (not a sony one though) and even thought the format itself is sony based amongst others i would much rather have another format win the war.region coding and the price of the hardware is shocking.and why does it take standalone hd dvd and blu ray players so long to load a disc when a 360 add on and ps3 can boot them up in no time ?

I'm sorry, mate...But have you considered that maybe HD just isn't for you right now?

Yeah. I could definitely see a company in china making HD-DVD players and undercutting Toshiba and still making a profit.

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by hippy fascist

How many people would be willing to pay $1000 for a blu-ray player and $30 a disk? Cause that's how much they'd still cost if not for this war. Blu ray will get players out at the $300 mark by march at the latest.

And loathe though most of you will be to admit it

You have HD-DVD to thank for that

It took DVD two to three years to go from $1000-$1500 a player to $200-$300. If that was the timetable for Blu-Ray acceptance, that would be fine with me.

I'm not thanking HD-DVD for anything.

[hippy fascist]

Originally Posted by Musashi

Wrong; PS3 would still be $500 (or $350 via a lil rebate promotion) even if HD-DED never existed.

And: Competition should exist between the studios, not the formats. Open formats like CD, DVD, and Blu-ray are not anti-competion. Do you really think DVD would have gone anywhere if replaced by a format warring Super Denisty Disc vs MMCD? I think not.

And: forcing your view (ie. "you know I'm right", "admit it") does not prove any of your allegations.

Forcing my view?



lol, I couldn't resist

[Jim L]

Originally Posted by hippy fascist

Exactly, I have a 360 add-on hd-dvd player AND a ps3

I have not picked a side.

I just saw a load of RAMPANT FANBOYISM and MISINFORMATION and decided to make things a little more even

If you want to fight some real fanboyism, why don't you head on over to the avsforum or hidefdigest?

This is a Blu-ray site (hence the name) and if you don't like it, get the f%#k out!

[hippy fascist]

Originally Posted by Jim L

If you want to fight some real fanboyism, why don't you head on over to the avsforum or hidefdigest?

This is a Blu-ray site (hence the name) and if you don't like it, get the f%#k out!

I have no problem with blu ray

If this was a HD-DVD biassed forum I'd be slamming the HD-DVD fanboys

Rather than telling people to leave if they don't agree with you, why not expand your mind and LEARN HOW TO DEBATE rather than just believing the sony hype machine without question.

I see the ups and downs in both formats and weigh them fairly

It's called making an educated decission

[tjsmangina]

Originally Posted by Jim L

This is a Blu-ray site (hence the name) and if you don't like it, get the f%#k out!

cant believe mods let this kind of thing go

[cawgijoe]

See....this is why we needed one agreed upon format. If there was one format, we would all be friends and united and be discussing PQ, SQ, sleeve artwork, compression schemes, prices, etc.......

[binarymelon]

Dugg it! C'mon folks. We need to make sure this hits the front page.

[Stundra]

Originally Posted by cawgijoe

It took DVD two to three years to go from $1000-$1500 a player to $200-$300. If that was the timetable for Blu-Ray acceptance, that would be fine with me.

I'm not thanking HD-DVD for anything.

Agreed. I prefer having the choice of 500 movies for 25$ instead of having 250 movies for 20$.

[Need0fMany]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

Okay, so similarities with cable and satellite: Lost and 24 used to be available on both satellite and cable in the UK. Sky paid the studios to make that content exclusive to satellite. People had bought cable believing those shows would be available to them, and had already watched part of the seasons. Sky rubbed their faces in it with adverts telling them if they want to carry on watching those shows, there's only one way to do it, and that's to get satellite. Customers ditched cable in droves, and the cable company is in huge financial difficulties.

However, perhaps there will be some sort of competition investigation into it at some point, problem is these things always take so long that they have absolutely no effect.

Wow, that example is similar, if I had been such a cable customer (I am but in the US) I would have been quite upset. I thought Europe was more pro-customers than over here, I'm surprised no action was taken.

[AustinSTI]

Done

[Proteus]

This type of competition is _never_ good for the consumer.

Want a real world example? Satellite radio.

XM and Serius have completely destroyed each other and any future they had as individual companies by not embracing a standard and constantly having to bid against each other for things like the NBA and other large scale programming. The result? Consumers can't have all their favorite stuff on one provider.

This is why they have wised up and are trying to fix it now and fighting with the FCC to let them merge so they can compete with who they _should_ be competing with... Traditional radio and cd's. Luckily, the FCC may now let them save themselves otherwise we may lose a radio solution that can offer consumers _complete_ choice.

The same is true for HD. Multiple formats doom HD package media to non-existence in the same way. People simply can not own 'combo' players as the cost is astronomical and that can not change due to licensing and such. Also, discs would cost at least $10 more which would completely destroy adoption and the retail purchase market... leaving only rentals which make no money for studios. What then? Digital downloading? So you can watch totally inferior quality while being slammed with advertising the entire time and having a little 'Xbox Live' logo on the screen in the lower corner all the time (come on, marketing survey's say consumers don't mind the little logos in the corner! Bad research.).

You need to understand good competition and bad competition my friend. This is bad competition.

[jw]

well answering the question(Why are people in this forum so anticompetition) that was asked is pretty simple, this is a blu-ray forum, with blu-ray supporters expressing their interest in blu-ray. I did not see anything about HDDVD, anywhere in the web address. I am sure the hddvd webiste is the same way, downplaying blu-ray. Just reading the news and sales history I am not so sure there is much positive to talk about.
Just think, HDDVD has Paramount now, and Paramount abondoned blu-ray....Now using this as an equation(The recent release of 300 on both formatsBD sold 162,500 copies and
HD DVD 87,500 copies) I cannot believe Paramount would just throw that revenue away.(162500*27.00=4,387,500) Thats alot of dvds that they are going to have to sell at half the price just to recoup the revenue lost. I dont forsee the HDDVD selling anymore than 100,000 copies. And adding that its the christmas season when sales increase, the figures might increase alot as well.
Just some food for thought.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by hippy fascist

exactly. i'm not saying screw blu ray, HD FTW!!!!!!!11!1!!!1!

What i'm saying is look at both formats equally and make an eductated decision rather than some obsessive brand loyalty.

Maybe it's my leftover journalistic integrity from my uni newspaper days but I just want to see the best movies in the best quality, with the best features and at a fair price

Troll, lol

#1 University newspapers have zero "journalistic integrity".

#2 The "educated decisions" have already been made by smart consumers.

#3 All of your points on fair competition kind of go out the window... fair competition was resulting in a blu-ray landslide, so M$ bought some loyalty. That's the opposite of fair competition.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by tjsmangina

i have no doubt what so ever that ALL the big corps do dirty tricks to get where they are but some of the posters in here are so blind and unwilling to listen to different points of view its ludicrous.i mean people emailing and sending letters into a company because they no longer want to make something for them,then on th eother hand you have people saying **** PARAMOUNT i wont buy another film or go the cinema again to watch any other there stuff lol.

Ah, such deep-rooted logical fallacies. You think that because you THINK that all companies have no ethics means that it's true. Wrong, not every company behaves like M$. You also imply that just because "ALL the big corps do dirty tricks" that it's OK. You have the logical process of a 5-year-old. Then you go on to blame consumers for taking action!? Isn't consumer behavior exactly IS supposed to drive the market as opposed to payola?

Think more, genius.

[BLUE BALLS]

Originally Posted by XanderAE

I'd guess not!

But more importantly, what about the titles ALREADY announced for Blu-ray?

i.e. Face/Off??

They can't seriously release this now on HD DVD only having promised it on both for months? Surely that can't be done can it?

It will now ONLY be in HD DVD not on BR. Thatis all part of teh EXCLUSIVE title under P/DW going HD DVD.