8K discussion thread

[Gillietalls]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Yes, which makes the point even more important that low grade video can be so greatly imporved with latest processing technics and powerful well tuned chip sets.

I reported exactly what I saw and was a suprised any anyone would be at the results.

What's the latest on the 8K TV shootout?

[Blu350z]

I noticed the 8K TVs also have better upscaling, I played Property Brothers in HDX from VUDU and noticed the edges are a bit smoother and less noise. I had a Q900 and Q90 playing.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Gillietalls

What's the latest on the 8K TV shootout?

No date set at this moment as we are waiting for confirmation from LG on the 88" 8K OLED and possibly one or more Sharp 8K TVs.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Blu350z

I noticed the 8K TVs also have better upscaling, I played Property Brothers in HDX from VUDU and noticed the edges are a bit smoother and less noise. I had a Q900 and Q90 playing.

Explain that. How can increased resolution in itself improve upscaling on a TV?

[Robert Zohn]

It's not the increased resolution, it's the upgraded and re-tuned video processing that is improving the image quality.

[Blu350z]

But the Sharp 8k TV is not for consumers though right? is it fair to put it in the shootout? I've only seen one sharp 8k being used a while ago a buddy of mine that was working in a major film studio was using them for testing.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

It's not the increased resolution, it's the upgraded and re-tuned video processing that is improving the image quality.

In the past we had interpolation algorithms to create additional picture information where there was none. It’s still using various AI processing (sharpening, noise reduction, detail creation) to artificially create additional picture information so it takes advantage of 4 times the increased resolution. Obliviously it looks better but compared to native content it won’t look as good because of so much missing image information not present.

[JohnAV]

Remember these guys it still likely they will be back.

DarbeeVision Inc.
December 17, 2018 ·
It will be awesome to share DARBEE Visual Presence for 8K...We will post some 8K images, comparison, with DVP, soon!#DVPBeyondFidelityFactors Of course, we don't know how you will look view them...

[Robert Zohn]

@Blu350z, We only use consumer TVs that are in mass production for our TV Shootout. Just waiting for confirmation on Sharp's entrance in the USA TV business.

@JohnAV, I'll check out the original image on my iPhone against the 8K TV image and report back. One thing for sure on 4K TV the image was greatly degraded and it looks significantly cleaner on the 8K TVs.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Remember these guys it still likely they will be back.

I witnessed their 4K/60 prototype about a month ago. I’m so surprised how well this thing works in 4K.

[Penton-Man]

Shall we make everyone happy whether they be willing or unwilling to pull the trigger on a new TV this year? Ergo, I predict the following upcoming reviews of top of the line new model TVs from AV journalists and fans alike, just substitute your favorite brand for xxxx.

2019 – “This is the best TV xxxx has ever produced, it has….”
2020 - “This is the best TV xxxx has ever produced, it has….”
2021 – “This is the best TV xxx has ever produced, it has….”
etc.

[sapiendut]

Nope, not from me.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Nope, not from me.

hah!, well you‘ve got a biased commercial interest in owners buying new stuff every year, you’re like that Teoh guy
anyway, if you’re interested and can get there, the DV World Tour is here tomorrow - https://form.jotform.us/91899361522163

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I witnessed their 4K/60 prototype about a month ago. I’m so surprised how well this thing works in 4K.

is it just a stand alone box that's gonna be hitting the market at some point?

[LordoftheRings]

▪ https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/8...or-samsung-tvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4hO...ature=youtu.be

[Jacob The Great]

8K is honestly the best TV resolution for retro games since almost every console game resolution can be an integer scale to 8K.
Integer scaling means no nearest neighbour filter nor shimmering.
240p x 18 = 4320p
480i/p x 9 = 4320p
720p x 6 = 4320p
1080i/p x 4 = 4320p
2160p x 2 = 4320p
4320p x 1 = 4320p

480i/p can't get an integer scale that fills the screen in 4K.
The highest integer scale 480p can get to 4K is 4X 1920p, and it has to be either windowboxed in a 2160p frame, or it has to be upscaled with a nearest neighbour filter.

And on top of that, even many handhelds support integer scaling to 8K:
144p (Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Bandai WonderSwan, Sega Game Gear) x 30 = 4320p
160p (Game Boy Advance) x 27 = 4320p
240p (3DS) x 18 = 4320p
272p (PSP) x 16 = 4352p (a pixel on the top and the bottom each get cut off to fill the screen)
544p (PS Vita) x 8 = 4352p (a couple of pixels on the top and bottom each get cut off to fill the screen)
The big deal here is that the GBA can finally have an integer scale, since the original Game Boy can have a 5X scale to 720p and a 15X scale to 2160p but not the GBA.
The only missing ones are the DS, which has no official way to play on a TV other than the Wii U Virtual Console, and the Atari Lynx.
The 3DS is 240p. Too bad there isn't an HDMI output mod for the 3DS, let alone one that supports stereoscopic 3D.

And of course, older games can be played on PC in 8K in a silky-smooth 60fps.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by ray0414

is it just a stand alone box that's gonna be hitting the market at some point?

It was a proof of concept chip prototype. They haven’t decided whether it’s going to be a standalone unit like the current Darbee or they’re just going to license it to the likes of Lumagen.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

It was a proof of concept chip prototype. They haven’t decided whether it’s going to be a standalone unit like the current Darbee or they’re just going to license it to the likes of Lumagen.

Either internal or external they had to develop a processor that had HDMI 2.x interfaces, and could work with 4K or 8k resolution pass through.

The inline FPGA in the Oppo 10xD series was just processing on the HD output of the SoC before the SI 4Kx2K processor, there was no HDMI interfaces involved, this is new territory they had to tackle. It why they dropped off the map.

This is a ideal time for them to market while there is non-existent 8k content like it was for several years when it was all 4Kx2K upscaling for players.

Yeah back then Oppo, Lumagen had it built in, and they also made available a external box that you could place on your HDMI chain. Built in was a superior solution, less noise artifacts.

[Lee A Stewart]

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They are desperate, aren't they?