8K discussion thread

[JohnAV]

Its getting to that Snow Bird time of the year also.

Beautiful video, conditions and music, used a drone to film this.

Pow Surf Colorado (Alex Pashley - 2018) - YouTube

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

How do we know that Zeskit, SecurOmax, Belkin, Cable Matters, Monoprice DynamicView, Audiano are legit 8K HDMI cables?

You have to remember Belkin was claiming 48 Gbps on their cheap cables at the the Apple store that well over a year ago. So what application can you think of where you need a 8K cable?

There are no 8K sources, there is no 8K pass thru AVR's, only 8K upscaling TV's, some that still need a external box to utilize HDMI 2.1 interface that supports the full 48 Gbps.

Buyer beware on all of this until people need cables to support various HDMI 2.1 speeds.

I have first gen HDMI cables which pass 3D, 4K, and lossless audio. They're from 2004 or so. They are way too stiff and the cables sometimes lose connection unless you fidget with them, because if you bump the cable, the entire thing moves with it. But they work and always have. Because of this, I don't buy into all this certified HDMI cable crap. The only reason I've swapped cables is because I'm sick of them coming unplugged.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Brian81

I have first gen HDMI cables which pass 3D, 4K, and lossless audio. They're from 2004 or so. They are way too stiff and the cables sometimes lose connection unless you fidget with them, because if you bump the cable, the entire thing moves with it. But they work and always have. Because of this, I don't buy into all this certified HDMI cable crap. The only reason I've swapped cables is because I'm sick of them coming unplugged.

4K didn't exist in 2004. But I am happy you don't have any handshake issues unless you setup isn't much. I couldn't use those HDMI 1.x cables no matter how good they are, just because I switch from many HDMi based sources and you want nothing happening as far as stuck HDMI states, static/colored screens.

[eddievanhalen]

For 8K under HDMI I'd use optical HDMI cables. Just in case somebody don't know about them these are cables that on the HDMI connector that's to be plugged on the source (they're one way cables, they can't be reversed) has a unit that converts electric signals into an optical one. Inside the cable shell there are regular coaxial cables for all except the video that is transmited as an optical signal on fiber optic wires. On the end conector that plugs onto the receiver/TV there's a unit that converts optical signal to electric ones back.
They don't need an external power source to work as they are fed by the 5 Volts the HDMI ports output.
These are very useful for long cable runs, I have a friend who has a bar where people goes to see pay per view football matches, the satellite receiver is inside the bar and the big TV screen is outside on the bar's terrace (I live in Southern Spain Costa del Sol, one can do that even on Winter) and there's around 50 meters between the receiver and the TV set, and footbal matches are broadcast in 4K (I don't know if the network uses HDR or not), I watched a full footbal match at his bar, a first for me as I dislike footbal, and his optical HDMI works flawlessly.
Not all of them are HDMI 2.1 8K compatible, most of them are 2.0, but these 2.1 optical HDMI cables are perfect for 8K as they are capable of transmiting a higher bandwith reliably than coaxial cables.

[Lee A Stewart]

Friedrich Makes 8K Viewing Calculators Available Online

For those early 8K video enthusiasts who already have an 8K Ultra HD television or may be planning to get one soon, renowned video expert and industry consultant Florian Friedrich has posted a series of informative articles and native 8K streaming videos to feed your appetite.

On his web site, http://ff.de/, Friedrich, CEO of FF Pictures GmbH, delves into important technical elements exploring such areas as “What Is Real 8K?,” and “Viewing Distance and Human Visual Acuity.”

For those with supporting equipment, Friedrich has produced test clips in both native 8K Ultra HD and upscaled ARRI Alexa 65 footage with an 8K test pattern at the end, in MPEG-4 format, linked here. These clips can be downloaded for direct playback on an 8K televisions.

Friedrich’s explanations are intended to help clear up confusion as to what “real 8K” is among other details.

These pieces get highly detailed and are presented for those interested parties who enjoy taking a deep dive into the science of the latest video technologies.

https://hdguru.com/friedrich-makes-8...ilable-online/

[Geoff D]

Does it also include the external box needed to play 8K videos? Arf

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Friedrich Makes 8K Viewing Calculators Available Online

For those early 8K video enthusiasts who already have an 8K Ultra HD television or may be planning to get one soon, renowned video expert and industry consultant Florian Friedrich has posted a series of informative articles and native 8K streaming videos to feed your appetite.

On his web site, http://ff.de/, Friedrich, CEO of FF Pictures GmbH, delves into important technical elements exploring such areas as “What Is Real 8K?,” and “Viewing Distance and Human Visual Acuity.”

For those with supporting equipment, Friedrich has produced test clips in both native 8K Ultra HD and upscaled ARRI Alexa 65 footage with an 8K test pattern at the end, in MPEG-4 format, linked here. These clips can be downloaded for direct playback on an 8K televisions.

Friedrich’s explanations are intended to help clear up confusion as to what “real 8K” is among other details.

These pieces get highly detailed and are presented for those interested parties who enjoy taking a deep dive into the science of the latest video technologies.

https://hdguru.com/friedrich-makes-8...ilable-online/

unless you’re talking sports acquisition -> delivery which will purposely leverage the attributes of ‘8K’ (detail) with its choice of camera and lens,

since this forum is marketing movie and/or episodic content-centric, it would be foolish to ignore the overriding concept – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post16991042

e.g., even Zeiss Supreme Prime Radiance lenses are not aggressively sharp, and sharpness and detail being where 8K *thrives* over 4K –

R&R - Behind the Scenes with Rodrigo Prieto, ASC, AMC - YouTube

the brightest and most renowned in the vision science community like Mark not only talk numbers/specs but also reveal what happens when the rubber meets the road or what’s ‘the real result’ of the device….https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west...t--bionic-eye-

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Does it also include the external box needed to play 8K videos? Arf

Hows the 8K Prosumer Video Camera with HDMI interface marketplace these days? Did the Sharp 8K Micro Four Thirds Camera ship?

[Robert Zohn]

My last update, which was mid September at CEIA in Denver, I was told Q1 2020 for Sharp's 8K consumer camera. I'm following up with Sharp now for another update.

[JohnAV]

Blow your 2020 budget on this giant 98-inch Samsung 8K TV ($40,000 off)

98" CLASS Q900 QLED SMART 8K UHD TV (2019)

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Blow your 2020 budget on this giant 98-inch Samsung 8K TV ($40,000 off)

98" CLASS Q900 QLED SMART 8K UHD TV (2019)

Here, no need to blow that much...you can reduce the size and the pain to your bank account ...
▪ https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...n65q900rbfxza/
Only three grands...most people can afford her no sweat. This is 2019 (very close to 2020); 8K is in full swing for a sung...Swansong...we can all swim without our bank accounts sinking.

[rachaeldeckard]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Blow your 2020 budget on this giant 98-inch Samsung 8K TV ($40,000 off)

98" CLASS Q900 QLED SMART 8K UHD TV (2019)

This was selling for $70k so really they just took $10k off.

[LordoftheRings]

I saw this baby today ...
▪ https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...n82q900rbfxza/

Ok, the picture was to die for, no doubt. The LG OLED C9 4K looks like DVD in comparison...mini size...65".

They had 8K content...Samsung own demo stuff (on a loop)...simply mesmerizing! The details in the tiger's face and the crocodile and the foliage and the mountain and ... everything was just the best picture I've ever seen yet. If upscaling 4K can gain an advantage with this baby then 8K here I come.

There was also a Samsung model Q85R 4K QLED; very very very nice picture, and for much less money than LG OLED 4K (same size). ...Less than two grands (the LG C9 65" is about $2,499 right now).

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I saw this baby today ...
▪ https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...n82q900rbfxza/

Ok, the picture was to die for, no doubt. The LG OLED C9 4K looks like DVD in comparison...mini size...65".

They had 8K content...Samsung own demo stuff (on a loop)...simply mesmerizing! The details in the tiger's face and the crocodile and the foliage and the mountain and ... everything was just the best picture I've ever seen yet. If upscaling 4K can gain an advantage with this baby then 8K here I come.

There was also a Samsung model Q85R 4K QLED; very very very nice picture, and for much less money than LG OLED 4K (same size). ...Less than two grands (the LG C9 65" is about $2,499 right now).

Was that your 1st time seeing those tvs? Best buy has the Q900 next to the Q90 and I think thr Q90 looks much better. The contrast ratio is noticeably better and the colors are more saturated like an oled on the Q90, q900 looks weaker.

Digital trends put the 8k and 4k side by side at 65" and he concluded there was zero advantage for the 8k set. If anything, the 4k had the better picture. I watched this video on my 82" and the 4k tv is sharper with the 4k content he plays. (id ignore how the look when the Q90 is off angle. While the viewing angles are much better there's still a slight drop-off off angle. My suspicions are that they did this on purpose because from straight on the Q90 looks better).

There's also a guy on Twitter I know that just got the Z9G 85" in his shop. He says 8k content looks awesome but 4k does not look as good as he'd hoped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2sc...ature=youtu.be

[Robert Zohn]

I was in the process of writing a white paper on 8K Super Hi-Vision for acceptance as a CES session. Somehow the video Gods were listening in and CES just send me an invitation to be a presenter at CES on the 8K panel discussion session.

Date and Time: Thursday, January 9 - 10:15-11:15 AM

Location: Venetian, Level 4, Marcello 4406

My friend, Jim Willcox of Consumer Reports is moderating the session.

[DJR662]

Speaking of CES, still no juicy rumors regarding whatever Sony might come up with next year?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Was that your 1st time seeing those tvs? Best buy has the Q900 next to the Q90 and I think thr Q90 looks much better. The contrast ratio is noticeably better and the colors are more saturated like an oled on the Q90, q900 looks weaker.

Digital trends put the 8k and 4k side by side at 65" and he concluded there was zero advantage for the 8k set. If anything, the 4k had the better picture. I watched this video on my 82" and the 4k tv is sharper with the 4k content he plays. (id ignore how the look when the Q90 is off angle. While the viewing angles are much better there's still a slight drop-off off angle. My suspicions are that they did this on purpose because from straight on the Q90 looks better).

There's also a guy on Twitter I know that just got the Z9G 85" in his shop. He says 8k content looks awesome but 4k does not look as good as he'd hoped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2sc...ature=youtu.be

I don't frequent Best Buy often, yesterday was VIP Day for November and I was in the surrounding areas strolling my cadence. I stopped by to check some 4K Blus and got me some, a half doze.

Had time to check their VIP sales on TVs. I checked that big 8K Q900 QLED (very very affordable) and was blown away by the picture. They also had the Q85R (4K) like I said but didn't look for the Q90R and the 8K was all alone by itself. It has been there for only couple weeks.

I only mentioned it because it's 8K and it's affordable. No need to spend $100,000 (six digits) for an 8K 100" TV. I think 75" to 85" is a good size for an 8K TV when sitting 5 to 7 feet from it. And you can even sit further from it if you want to...like 8-9 feet. Kids love those ...

In 1955 we sat ten/twelve feet from a 25" B&W tube TV, today we sit half that distance from an 85" 8K color HDR10+ TV. The times they are a changin' ... from 100 lines to 8,000 lines...horizon.
And, now they make 4K TVs in the 32" range. That's new...they had those too @ BB...but not 8K yet on that smaller computer monitor size...coming up eventually.

About cell phones, any 8K display yet?

[Matthew.H]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

And, now they make 4K TVs in the 32" range.

I haven't seen a 32" 4K in stores yet. About time they made that size seeing as some people have limited space.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Speaking of CES, still no juicy rumors regarding whatever Sony might come up with next year?

Nothing yet, but LG invited me to a pre-CES preview and their CES Press conference. I'll also be attending Sony's pre-CES press conference and their Diamond dealer event.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Matthew.H

I haven't seen a 32" 4K in stores yet. About time they made that size seeing as some people have limited space.

Not 8K yet but 4K 4 sure (32") ...
▪ https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...afxzc/13893613

And plenty of 4K 43" TVs ... of course ...
• https://www.techradar.com/reviews/sa...43ru7020-4k-tv
▪ https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/categor...nch-tvs/329714

Eventually, advantage or not, 8K TVs will replace all 4K TVs...it is inevitable.
...Just like when I was @ the store yesterday there was zero 1080p TVs...none in-store.
But without 8K Blu-ray content the true real advantage of 8K TVs is UPSCALING everything (DVD, Blu-ray 1080p and 4K) to 8K. The better that processing the better our eyes can enjoy.

It's just the way it is, not matter how many tears from crying babies fall on the floors ...
8K is the new kid on the block and blu-ray.com is becoming blu-ray.streaming.
You can't stop what's coming up to us...progress and Joker (sequel) ...