HDR Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Sony Unveils Crystal LED Displays for Virtual Production

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/be...ual-production

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

The only thing Penton-Man and I share is our industry careers and our love for premium audio and video. We enjoy sharing the good word and helping others get the best performance from there a/v equipment and systems.

Penton-Man, Value Electronics and me are partners at a much higher level than any business relationship could ever have.

Robert lowering the boom!! Well said

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

If someone is throwing cash around, then of course filmmakers will flock. The problem is there's no guarantee scratching their backs will get a Netflix a scratch back.

I don't think Netflix is anywhere near stupid, or short sighted. They are high on innovation, but are just always going to be trapped by lack of diversification. They've prospered and grew in a market where they were the market, but now the multimedia giants are really setting up shop, that lack of diversification i feel will inevitably prove to be their undoing.

You don't seem to get the majority of their subscribers have no emotion attachment to Netflix. It is what it is because they, at present, are the main thing people associated with convince in popular consciousness. Once that association is broken, and people start to talk about other services, it's game over.

I ultimately think the fate Netflix is as a marquee name in TV show productions for some multimedia.

But what's wrong with being a marquee name in TV show production? That's literally how Netflix have become the dominant streamer on the planet and, as I said before, is why Disnee are seemingly placing all their D+ bets on creating a zillion new Star Wars and Marvel shows. They know what direction the tide is is going.

And what other services aside from the obvious are ultimately going to challenge it? The 101 streaming services set up by other studios are so late in coming that they're only ever going to be scrabbling for scraps, themselves trapped by the bounds of their own catalogue and IP. I totally get it that Disnee are an exception to this rule but that's because, as Lee said, Disnee are Disnee: they've always operated in their own orbit - hell, they created their own orbit by buying Pixar, Marvel, LFL and Fox - and so there'll always be room for a runner-up that offers content that Disnee can't/won't offer. Both companies are very shrewd with their pricing too, Netflix offering different tiers of access while the Mouse is keeping things low...for now.

It's not a binary situation, people can more than afford to keep paying for the top two services while the others founder, or pick and choose what they want each month. As for loyalty, I've seen several people on this site alone say that they've dropped D+ after Mandalorian finished so it's not as cut and dried as "no-one ever leaves Disnee". Thus the a la carte model will even extend to the services themselves in future.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But what's wrong with being a marquee name in TV show production? That's literally how Netflix have become the dominant streamer on the planet and, as I said before, is why Disnee are seemingly placing all their D+ bets on creating a zillion new Star Wars and Marvel shows. They know what direction the tide is is going.

And what other services aside from the obvious are ultimately going to challenge it? The 101 streaming services set up by other studios are so late in coming that they're only ever going to be scrabbling for scraps, themselves trapped by the bounds of their own catalogue and IP. I totally get it that Disnee are an exception to this rule but that's because, as Lee said, Disnee are Disnee: they've always operated in their own orbit - hell, they created their own orbit by buying Pixar, Marvel, LFL and Fox - and so there'll always be room for a runner-up that offers content that Disnee can't/won't offer. Both companies are very shrewd with their pricing too, Netflix offering different tiers of access while the Mouse is keeping things low...for now.

It's not a binary situation, people can more than afford to keep paying for the top two services while the others founder, or pick and choose what they want each month. As for loyalty, I've seen several people on this site alone say that they've dropped D+ after Mandalorian finished so it's not as cut and dried as "no-one ever leaves Disnee". Thus the a la carte model will even extend to the services themselves in future.

I think eventually all the multimedias minus Disney will agree on a single service to act as a store front for their IP.

Like a physical format, with an association, but digital.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I think eventually all the multimedias minus Disney will agree on a single service to act as a store front for their IP.

Like a physical format, with an association, but digital.

Because that worked so well with Ultraviolet? Even now there are several competing services like Vudu, Fandango, Google and Movies Anywhere when it comes to redeeming digital copies in one of the world's biggest markets for movie media, if there's one thing that studios rarely like doing it's getting together for the greater good. It happened with disc-based media, yes, but not before the studios already tried to launch competing formats for both SD and HD disc formats (and IMO strangled HD media at birth, or rather rendered it incapable of taking over DVD).

I'm still amazed that they created a single UHD format without triggering another civil war, then again we've seen battle lines drawn when it comes to HDR, with some studios backing a rival dynamic metadata technology. Basically they just can't help themselves because they ALL want to have the lead on new tech and all the royalties that go with. And note that the 'digital bridge' personal copy idea for UHD has literally disappeared without trace, and just as streaming became mainstream. What a weird coincidence.

I do not doubt that a load of streaming services are going to fall in the coming years as the market just won't be able to sustain every single one, but who are the content creators going to turn to to create one consolidated non-Disnee streaming option? Spend the time and money to create a 'Digital Media Association' or sell their stuff back to the big red N which will still have a huge market share and the infrastructure already in place to reach hundreds of millions of households worldwide? Hmmm.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Because that worked so well with Ultraviolet? Even now there are several competing services like Vudu, Fandango, Google and Movies Anywhere when it comes to redeeming digital copies in one of the world's biggest markets for movie media, if there's one thing that studios rarely like doing it's getting together for the greater good. It happened with disc-based media, yes, but not before the studios already tried to launch competing formats for both SD and HD disc formats (and IMO strangled HD media at birth, or rather rendered it incapable of taking over DVD).

I'm still amazed that they created a single UHD format without triggering another civil war, then again we've seen battle lines drawn when it comes to HDR, with some studios backing a rival dynamic metadata technology. Basically they just can't help themselves because they ALL want to have the lead on new tech and all the royalties that go with. And note that the 'digital bridge' personal copy idea for UHD has literally disappeared without trace, and just as streaming became mainstream. What a weird coincidence.

I do not doubt that a load of streaming services are going to fall in the coming years as the market just won't be able to sustain every single one, but who are the content creators going to turn to to create one consolidated non-Disnee streaming option? Spend the time and money to create a 'Digital Media Association' or sell their stuff back to the big red N which will still have a huge market share and the infrastructure already in place to reach hundreds of millions of households worldwide? Hmmm.

These previous "failures" you speak of might only reinforce the need for greater cooperation, rather than just licensing their IP.

I've already suggested that individual efforts will fail again, due to over saturation. It's all about money, and all you are doing is losing money in the long run not concentrating everything in one service.

As for infrastructure, well you can already download an app on any number of devices to access a service.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

These previous "failures" you speak of might only reinforce the need for greater cooperation, rather than just licensing their IP.

I've already suggested that individual efforts will fail again, due to over saturation. It's all about money, and all you are doing is losing money in the long run not concentrating everything in one service.

Never happen. Only a fool would consider such an impossible conception possible.

You concentrate on the wrong aspects of streaming: movies versus TV shows. And you have totally ignored the end result of DTC (Direct To Consumer): gathering personal information . . . email address/age/location. Not once have you mentioned this.

As for infrastructure, well you can already download an app on any number of devices to access a service.

Correct - make it easy for consumers to adopt their chosen streaming service.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Never happen. Only a fool would consider such an impossible conception possible.

You concentrate on the wrong aspects of streaming: movies versus TV shows. And you have totally ignored the end result of DTC (Direct To Consumer): gathering personal information . . . email address/age/location. Not once have you mentioned this.



Correct - make it easy for consumers to adopt their chosen streaming service.

That would involve me talking about Apple

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

That would involve me talking about Apple

Let's talk about Disney. I have received at least 4 emails between Thanksgiving and New Years Day offering me all kinds of stuff I can buy from them. If there's one company who knows the power/reward of merchandising, it's Disney.

Advertisers always ask . . . are we reaching our consumers? An ad plays but are people watching it? Or will they go to the bathroom or get a snack from the kitchen instead?

On average I get an email a week from Disney+ telling me what's new or what's coming. And mixed into those kinds of emails I also got the "you can buy this stuff" emails too.

I also get lots of emails from Roku offering me their devices on sale.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Let's talk about Disney. I have received at least 4 emails between Thanksgiving and New Years Day offering me all kinds of stuff I can buy from them. If there's one company who knows the power/reward of merchandising, it's Disney.

Advertisers always ask . . . are we reaching our consumers? An ad plays but are people watching it? Or will they go to the bathroom or get a snack from the kitchen instead?

On average I get an email a week from Disney+ telling me what's new or what's coming. And mixed into those kinds of emails I also got the "you can buy this stuff" emails too.

I also get lots of emails from Roku offering me their devices on sale.

Your point being?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Mank, if you haven't seen it, jumps between the early 40s and the mid 30s. There is zero exposition in the film about who these people are, the politics of Hollywood and the general politics of the US at the time.

The film just expects you to know all this implicitly. How many "normal" people are alive today are familar with that when it was popular culture?

Personally, I enjoy movie or episodic content that encourages me to further investigate gaps in my knowledge, e.g. watching the History Channel -> then reading Grant’s Memoirs (words out of his own mouth) - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...m#post18204731

And, when I’m in an altogether different mood, liking Netflix’s access to good looking, less cerebral action movies - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post17525642

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Your point being?

I think I was very clear. If you failed to understand what I posted that's not my problem, it's yours.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

getting nominated

although the Academy voters will be seeing the SDR version, I hope Erik (podcast at upper right presently - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post18483890 ) receives an Oscar nomination for his cinematography in Mank.

He’s already accumulating palmarès - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10618286/awards

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

And no Netflix aren't trying to become an arthouse streaming service on steroids. They are more than likely trying to build relationships with talent by doing films like Mank that make no commercial sense to try and get them to work on productions that are.

the “fork” tactic in chess

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Easy: Scott Parker.

yo, Scott-ish (now Wabo, I hope you get this one), Geoff ^ nailed it - https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/s...rt=mostpopular

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Personally, I enjoy movie or episodic content that encourages me to further investigate gaps in my knowledge, e.g. watching the History Channel -> then reading Grant’s Memoirs (words out of his own mouth) - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...m#post18204731

And, when I’m in an altogether different mood, liking Netflix’s access to good looking, less cerebral action movies - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post17525642

Does Netflix have Stone Cold on it yet?

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

although the Academy voters will be seeing the SDR version, I hope Erik (podcast at upper right presently - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post18483890 ) receives an Oscar nomination for his cinematography in Mank.

He’s already accumulating palmarès - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10618286/awards

I think Oldman and Dance should both get nods.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

lowering the boom

technically, that’s Huck – 3rd pic down: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15721280

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

technically, that’s Huck – 3rd pic down: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15721280

Huck Caton? Nice to put a face to the name, seemed like a nice fellow during the brief time he was on this board (but has since deleted all of his posts).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

These previous "failures" you speak of might only reinforce the need for greater cooperation, rather than just licensing their IP.

I've already suggested that individual efforts will fail again, due to over saturation. It's all about money, and all you are doing is losing money in the long run not concentrating everything in one service.

As for infrastructure, well you can already download an app on any number of devices to access a service.

And that theoretical new app will require design, testing etc etc, plus the servers to back it all up and host all that content. I'm sure some tech bod could do it in an afternoon, but when Netflix is already plugged into millions and millions and millions of devices inside and outside of the home and already has dem servers chugging away then the studios who lose out in The Great Streaming War of the 2020's may choose the lesser of two weevils.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

yo, Scott-ish (now Wabo, I hope you get this one), Geoff ^ nailed it - https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/s...rt=mostpopular

I would have gotten it if you simply included the pic in your post and not more URL hoops to jump thru. Since I don’t do the hyperlink musical chairs I will guess it has something to do with foosball.