List of 4K film transfers on Blu-ray shot on film (non-digitally shot)

[SunKissedCaliQT]

What's the difference between 4K bluray and 4K ultra bluray? We bought a 4K ultra tv last year but haven't really put it to use. We have some of these movies in 4K but am not sure if we need a specific player to view the 4K. Are there game systems that play in 4K? Could someone help explain the difference or provide a link I could read more on.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by SunKissedCaliQT

What's the difference between 4K bluray and 4K ultra bluray? We bought a 4K ultra tv last year but haven't really put it to use. We have some of these movies in 4K but am not sure if we need a specific player to view the 4K. Are there game systems that play in 4K? Could someone help explain the difference or provide a link I could read more on.

There are no 4K blu-rays out yet, only 1080p blu-rays sourced from 4K masters.

[SunKissedCaliQT]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

There are no 4K blu-rays out yet, only 1080p blu-rays sourced from 4K masters.

Why do they say 'mastered in 4K, optimized for 4K ultra HD tvs'?

[eChopper]

Marketing:

Mastered in 4K means the original camera negative was scanned at 3840 x 2160 pixels of resolution. This harvest captures exceptional fine detail

Then this file of approximately 1000 gigabytes is compressed to about 30 gigabytes on a blu Ray disc and down rezzed to 1920x 1080 pixels

In early years of blu Ray circa 2006 movies were being scanned at only 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution ( roughly 2k) and these don't look as detailed as the same film scanned by modern 4K scanners .

An excellent example is Leon The Professional : compare the superior detail of the mastered in 4K version (scanned in 2015) with the original crap looking blu Ray scanned at only 2k resolution

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=674...41&i=6&l=0&a=1

A "mastered in 4K blu Ray " with the standard blue case will always be 1920x 1080 pixels


Now we have Ultra HD blu Ray (black cases ): the disc is encoded in true 4K resolution ( 3840 x 2160 pixels ) - these should look magnificent on 4K TV's

Mind you many modern films have been shot at only 2k resolution

Older movies shot on 35 mm film , many should look fantastic on UHD as 35 mm film can be very detailed , beyond the capabilities of standard 2k blu Ray. That's assuming the original camera negatives survive.

Any normal blu Ray , even the " mastered in 4K series " will be limited to 8 bit colour 1920 x 1080 pixels

The new ones with the black cases " 4K ultra hd blu Ray" will be 10 bit colour and 3840x 2160 pixels - much better detail

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Kings...lu-ray/140080/

But you will need a special new player to play these , Samsung has just released one , a true 4K ultra had player

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/UBD-K8500/ZA

Getting back to your question : the slogan "optimised for 4K TV's"

for want of a better term , marketing bbuullshit which confuses 99% of the buying public

[tama]

Can somewhere here answer this question for me. I understand that some films are scanned at 4K but then worked on in 2K for a finished product. But the raw scan itself is in 4K.

With Criterions "La Cage Aux Folles" their booklet for the film has it worded this way:

This new digital transfer was created in 2K resolution on a Spirit 4K film scanner from a 35mm interpositive.

Should this be taken that the raw scan was done at 4K? Then worked on 2K? Otherwise why make the mention?

Thanks

[L'armée des ombres]

Originally Posted by tama

Can somewhere here answer this question for me. I understand that some films are scanned at 4K but then worked on in 2K for a finished product. But the raw scan itself is in 4K.

With Criterions "La Cage Aux Folles" their booklet for the film has it worded this way:

This new digital transfer was created in 2K resolution on a Spirit 4K film scanner from a 35mm interpositive.

Should this be taken that the raw scan was done at 4K? Then worked on 2K? Otherwise why make the mention?

Thanks

I honestly don't know what to make out of that
Did they scan it in 4K or 2K ?
There's no way to tell.
This is in the Ace in the Hole leaflet:
"This new digital transfer was created in 4K resolution on a Scanity film scanner at Technicolor Hollywood from a 35mm duplicate negative, with specific portions taken from a 35mm acetate fine-grain assembled from several sources; the film was restored in 2K."

Also from Broadcast News booklet: "Supervised and approved by director James L. Brooks and editor Richard Marks, this new high-definition digital transfer was created on a DFT SCANITY Film Scanner in 4k resolution from the original 35mm camera negative, and color corrected on a Baselight Eight in 2K resolution."
Now that's pretty clear.

[Geoff D]

You guys are forgetting that most scanners downsample to 2K on the fly if so required, ergo you can have a >2K scanner output a 2K end product which *still* has those oversampling benefits baked in. "Why wouldn't they just output at 4K if scanning in 4K?" Well, not every new transfer is a restoration (especially when working from an IP, that 'r' word gets thrown around far too much these days), so you simply don't need to wrangle that much data, the cost of which is undoubtedly a concern for indies like Criterion and Arrow.

[Tns49]

Of course as useful as this thread is, its always possible that a movie shot on film could be rescanned in the future at 4k or higher


Until the digital era hit almost any movie MIGHT benefit from a 4k scan. And any on the larger format film (70mm etc) will certainly be able to exceed 4k quality if the elements haven't been miss handled.

[stephen buccleugh]

THE TREE OF LIFE also has a 4K DI, so it should be ready to go for a 4K transfer to a 100GB UHD HDR blu-ray.

[1924]

if 4K is supposed to be of extremely strong quality why do some of these movies on this list have poor ratings for transfers?

[tama]

Originally Posted by 1924

if 4K is supposed to be of extremely strong quality why do some of these movies on this list have poor ratings for transfers?

Depends. Titles like CC Children of Paradise or SC Purple Noon have been digitally scrubbed after the fact. So their releases are underwhelming.

[Alfred E. Neumann]

Is "Last Action Hero" with Arnold Schwarzenegger a 4k scan?
It looks really good and the details and grain structure are stunning for a 2010 scan / Blu-ray Disc.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Alfred E. Neumann

Is "Last Action Hero" with Arnold Schwarzenegger a 4k scan?
It looks really good and the details and grain structure are stunning for a 2010 scan / Blu-ray Disc.

No, it is not.

[zakzak]

Many studios may claim that their BluRay releases are scanned in 4K but in the end, the final presentation is the one that matters. According to this list Ocean's 13 is a 4K scan but I hear a lot of customers complain about the color bleeding in the transfer. But if you look at Breaking Bad, especially from Season 3 onward, the video quality looks as if it is a 4K scan. What is even more impressive is that Breaking Bad was shot mostly with film. Some of the close up of the actor's faces contain details that are usually associated with quality digital cameras. If you have a poor source, no amount of hi-tech 4K scanning could salvage real quality.

Best transfer I have seen so far (4K or non-4K): Thin Red Line ( I cried...), Spartacus (mind-boggling restoration!), Singing' in the Rain, Oblivion, Breaking Bad series, Mad Max Fury Road (although many shots look compressed to me, and that red, fiery explosion in the middle of the sandstorm looks oversaturated).

The Dark Knight Rises has amazing IMAX sequences, and also: the best sound mix ever. My neighbors called the cops on me, lol !! But the 35mm sequences looks vanilla to me.

[Pieter V]

This one was missing.

Released as a 4K DCP. Source: Wikileaks files.

[1924]

anyone know if the Lethal Weapon remasters were done in 4k

[Pieter V]

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by 1924

anyone know if the Lethal Weapon remasters were done in 4k

Nop

[dbear]

2 bonus shorts, THE MEANING OF LIFE and REJECTED, have been freshly remastered from 4k scans, per Kickstarter updates.

[zakzak]

In light of those new 4K titles, Fox should rescan/restore/remaster these titles from 4K source:








Keanu version, not the other guy's