List of 4K film transfers on Blu-ray shot on film (non-digitally shot)

[L'armée des ombres]

Added some Criterion titles

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Added some Criterion titles

Well, I notice you added an oldie (1931) but goodie - City Lights - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/City-...Blu-ray/67590/

Which reminds me, a shout out to the Cohen Media Group....
Yo, now that the 4K restoration of The General (1926) has been completed and since it sits at #18 on the AFI List ( http://www.afi.com/100years/movies10.aspx ) it certainly would be nice to have the 4K restored version available on Blu-ray too.

[L'armée des ombres]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, I notice you added an oldie (1931) but goodie - City Lights - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/City-...Blu-ray/67590/

And also

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

And also

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Well, I've been busy with that nasty four letter word....









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so I only had time to read on down thru the D's on your list. Good job.

[L'armée des ombres]

Just finished watching The Hustler and was wondering if anyone has any idea if this is a 4K transfer?
It looked very very good

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Just finished watching The Hustler and was wondering if anyone has any idea if this is a 4K transfer?
It looked very very good

Probably not. It looks pretty similar to The Apartment and Manhattan which are both HD Masters. Love to quote these transfers to prove that even an HD scan can be phenomenal when not molested with any form of digital tinkering.

And you didn't add Nausicaa and Snow White yet. Nausicaa 6K Restoration was mentioned in articles and the booklet in the Japanese BD. Snow White was done with the Kodak Cineon Process which was the first 4K Process in the world back in the early 2000's.

[TDSOTM]

I guess the title of this thread should be changed to "List of 4K masters on Blu".

Good job keeping the thread up to date, by the way.

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by Scholer

Probably not. It looks pretty similar to The Apartment and Manhattan which are both HD Masters. Love to quote these transfers to prove that even an HD scan can be phenomenal when not molested with any form of digital tinkering.

And you didn't add Nausicaa and Snow White yet. Nausicaa 6K Restoration was mentioned in articles and the booklet in the Japanese BD. Snow White was done with the Kodak Cineon Process which was the first 4K Process in the world back in the early 2000's.

You can also add Castle in the Sky. Link below

ghiblicon.blogspot.com/2011/01/castle-in-sky-blu-ray-has-arrived.html?m=1

And in case of Nausicaa if a link is required here is one but it's in Japanese so you'll have to use google translator

av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20100527_369870.html

[L'armée des ombres]

Originally Posted by Scholer

You can also add Castle in the Sky. Link below

ghiblicon.blogspot.com/2011/01/castle-in-sky-blu-ray-has-arrived.html?m=1

And in case of Nausicaa if a link is required here is one but it's in Japanese so you'll have to use google translator

av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20100527_369870.html

Added those two.
Got a link to Snow White?

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Added those two.
Got a link to Snow White?

No link on that but even the Platinum DVD Booklet says it's a 4K transfer. But anyway don't you think the worlds first 4K Scanned work must find it's way to Blu-ray from the 4k Files. Though some controversy is there as when the Cineon Process was used in 1993 the final work was given a Film Print Out as no feasable digital storage medium existed. But the booklet implies that a scan was done again at 4k later for more digital restoration when technology became available. So I think this way or that Snow White is a 4k Transfer for sure. If the dvd was then the bluray must be.

[L'armée des ombres]

Snow White added

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by Scholer

No link on that but even the Platinum DVD Booklet says it's a 4K transfer. But anyway don't you think the worlds first 4K Scanned work must find it's way to Blu-ray from the 4k Files. Though some controversy is there as when the Cineon Process was used in 1993 the final work was given a Film Print Out as no feasable digital storage medium existed. But the booklet implies that a scan was done again at 4k later for more digital restoration when technology became available. So I think this way or that Snow White is a 4k Transfer for sure. If the dvd was then the bluray must be.

And one thing is the you should put Jaws as 6K too. The Special Feature says it was scanned in the ICE system at 6K, and from what I hear all the new Universal restorations are.

[L'armée des ombres]

Originally Posted by Scholer

And one thing is the you should put Jaws as 6K too. The Special Feature says it was scanned in the ICE system at 6K, and from what I hear all the new Universal restorations are.

Not according to this : http://www.geekexchange.com/putting-...aws-38737.html

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Not according to this : http://www.geekexchange.com/putting-...aws-38737.html

And you can add Grapes of Wrath, How Green was my Valley and Zorba the Greek too. Their Amazon Japan Descriptions mention 4K Transfers

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B...w_bottom_links

http://www.amazon.co.jp/怒り�葡...rapes+of+Wrath

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B...w_bottom_links

No wonder these turned out to be 4k, all of them are examplery transfers and among the best out there.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Scholer

And one thing is the you should put Jaws as 6K too. The Special Feature says it was scanned in the ICE system at 6K, and from what I hear all the new Universal restorations are.

Jaws was scanned at 4K not 6K.

A 6K scan would've been pointless anyway seeing as it was shot on 35mm film.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Need more than that!

That's all that's known at this moment in time. I'll keep you updated when more info comes out.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Jaws was scanned at 4K not 6K.

A 6K scan would've been pointless anyway seeing as it was shot on 35mm film.

Is 70mm film higher or the equivalent of 6K?

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Is 70mm film higher or the equivalent of 6K?

70mm is the equivalent of 8K.

[BozQ]

There's no real equivalent way of measuring digital resolution for film.

One could do a 8K scan of 35mm film, but the difference may be minimal.

That said, IMAX is also filmed on 70mm, but since it's film horizontally in 15 perforations, you could scan it in 16K resolution and it wouldn't be enough.

There's a lot of factors to consider. But ultimately, it's all about finding the most optimal production.

Which resolution is enough that wouldn't take too much time and consume too much resources to deliver the artist's work.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BozQ

There's no real equivalent way of measuring digital resolution for film....

Boz, there is no direct way but there are certainly, what many believe, accurate indirect method(s) of objectively measuring the resolution of film in the lab by shooting test patterns, determining the exact line pair/mm resolution and applying simple math to arrive at an exact detail size (such as 0.006 mm) which film can capture.

From there, it’s more simple math (multiplication/division) to convert detail size to the equivalent pixels. In fact, this premise was included in a paper on motion picture imaging which won the 2009 SMPTE Journal Award in 2009. Not sure if these sample images are still online as I haven’t checked it in years…
ftp2.arri.de
login: 4film
Password: ARRI

Or, if people don’t believe the math, you could set up a side-by-side test showing high resolution test patterns captured on film next to the digital file produced by scans (of various resolutions) of that same chart and do a comparison in that fashion.