Sony Z9F TV

[Noremac Mij]

I almost want to start a Go Fund Me, so Geoff can experience an OLED at home. It’s a spiritual experience.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

I almost want to start a Go Fund Me, so Geoff can experience an OLED at home. It’s a spiritual experience.

Geoff never experienced it?

OMG.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Oh God. From the other forum:

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Yeah his credentials are solid... Just watched it completely...I understand and speak German very well..27 ms inputlag for the oled..

He has tested 3 production samples of the A9F and they were alle identically calibrated of factory and very precise colorwise.

I found that scene with the revenant scene quite revealing on the oled that the shots didn't match what was on the Sony mastering monitor and the panasonic matched it perfectly.

Near black the A9F was able to display all details.

He is expecting a real follow up to the Z9D to be announced at ces 2019 and gives the advice to owners who wish to buy the best lcd tv from Sony to wait till then.

[mzupeman]

People have lost their minds over this TV. I doubt Sony are advertising this as the Master Series Z9F as a way to fake us out.

[I DO BLU]

Why dont the resident fanboy go to the oled fanboy thread instead of spamming this thread oled are not perfect nor is any tv so this constant garbage of this tv is better then yours kindergarten crap needs to stop. Does it make you feel special or do you want a medal for having what you think is best.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I almost want to start a Go Fund Me, so Geoff can experience an OLED at home. It’s a spiritual experience.

I am sure losing all those nits and the decent tone mapping would change a person

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

I am sure losing all those nits and the decent tone mapping would change a person

I don’t worry myself, nor do I hang onto a specific spec which looks good on paper. Film never had all of those nits. Geoff and you too Mike, we’re all crazy about film. The overwhelming organic richness that OLED brings is unlike anything outside of a projected theater. I always called LCD the dark age of home video.

[Geoff D]

Whatever floats people's boats but I'm not going anywhere near a new TV for a while yet. If we get this fabled micro LED successor to LCD, or an OLED that can hit 1000 nits that has decent tone mapping and ABL that doesn't kill the brightness stone dead in the next few years then I'll take a look. Until then I'll continue to enjoy one of the best HDR TVs on the market.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Whatever floats people's boats but I'm not going anywhere near a new TV for a while yet. If we get this fabled micro LED successor to LCD, or an OLED that can hit 1000 nits that has decent tone mapping and ABL that doesn't kill the brightness stone dead in the next few years then I'll take a look. Until then I'll continue to enjoy one of the best HDR TVs on the market.

Yep, the combination of my wife's aggression mixed with the sobering reality check of a Z9F review made me realize there isn't really any point in upgrading for a while - no matter how much I lust for the next great thing.

Everything now or in the foreseeable future is either going to be a very incremental upgrade or a trade off in one way or another.

I don't think MicroLED will be consumer any time soon and I think OLED is going to have a real struggle hitting brightness numbers in the near future, at least with any sort of color volume high brightness levels deserve.

I'm thinking the next step is really going to be some sort of MiniLED with a few thousand zones and a wide angle solution similar to the Z9F. OLED looks fantastic in certain scenarios, but really has quite a ways to go in terms of brightness, color volume, and most importantly uniformity - which is downright atrocious as it stands now. Once you notice skies turning pink or football fields turning orange from color tinting or sharp gashes/bands in low IRE scenes it's difficult to accept OLED in its current state.

Maybe the Blue OLED + quantum dot color filter tech is the answer, but I don't see that coming until at least a couple of years from now so no point really getting excited about it just yet.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I don’t worry myself, nor do I hang onto a specific spec which looks good on paper. Film never had all of those nits. Geoff and you too Mike, we’re all crazy about film. The overwhelming organic richness that OLED brings is unlike anything outside of a projected theater. I always called LCD the dark age of home video.

Actually, film does have those kinds of nits - depending on the film stock of course, film can have an amazing amount of dynamic range.

And as far as "organic richness" is concerned, OLED is probably the harhest, most digital technology to date - it's the solid state hard drive to CRT or even LCD's mechanical hard drive.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Yep, the combination of my wife's aggression mixed with the sobering reality check of a Z9F review made me realize there isn't really any point in upgrading for a while - no matter how much I lust for the next great thing.

Everything now or in the foreseeable future is either going to be a very incremental upgrade or a trade off in one way or another.

I don't think MicroLED will be consumer any time soon and I think OLED is going to have a real struggle hitting brightness numbers in the near future, at least with any sort of color volume high brightness levels deserve.

I'm thinking the next step is really going to be some sort of MiniLED with a few thousand zones and a wide angle solution similar to the Z9F. OLED looks fantastic in certain scenarios, but really has quite a ways to go in terms of brightness, color volume, and most importantly uniformity - which is downright atrocious as it stands now. Once you notice skies turning pink or football fields turning orange from color tinting or sharp gashes/bands in low IRE scenes it's difficult to accept OLED in its current state.

Maybe the Blue OLED + quantum dot color filter tech is the answer, but I don't see that coming until at least a couple of years from now so no point really getting excited about it just yet.

Hence the "fabled" part, some people are dribbling over all these mini/micro LED solutions but I've seen nothing to suggest they're going mainstream so yeah, we're stuck with mere refinements to LCD and OLED for a good few years yet.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hence the "fabled" part, some people are dribbling over all these mini/micro LED solutions but I've seen nothing to suggest they're going mainstream so yeah, we're stuck with mere refinements to LCD and OLED for a good few years yet.

miniLED definitely is, you've got suppliers like AUO and Innolux showing off miniLED at basically every trade show this year, with companies like ASUS, TCL, and Hisense showing off products that are essentially ready for retail.

It would not surprise me in the least if 2019 sees a Z9G with miniLED or even if all flagship LCDs from every manufacturer incorporate MiniLED.

[Geoff D]

Thanks, will keep an eye on it.

[Fendergopher]

The mass production of MiniLED and MicroLED do seem somewhat tied together, although getting large yields of MiniLED is most definitely easier than with MicroLED. The time frame for mainstream adoption of 55" or 65" MicroLED displays is quite a ways off, at least at a price that will sell more than 50 units. Most of the prototypes I've seen of MiniLED displays also seem to emphasize smaller screen sizes like phones, notebooks and PC monitors, so it'll be interesting to see what the different manufacturers decide to do with the tech.

Solid state self emissive displays are the future in my mind anyhow, not that there won't be kinks with that as well.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

The mass production of MiniLED and MicroLED do seem somewhat tied together, although getting large yields of MiniLED is most definitely easier than with MicroLED. The time frame for mainstream adoption of 55" or 65" MicroLED displays is quite a ways off, at least at a price that will sell more than 50 units. Most of the prototypes I've seen of MiniLED displays also seem to emphasize smaller screen sizes like phones, notebooks and PC monitors, so it'll be interesting to see what the different manufacturers decide to do with the tech.

Solid state self emissive displays are the future in my mind anyhow, not that there won't be kinks with that as well.

of course they are the future. But they have quite a ways to go before they can be what they have the potential to live up to.

MiniLED seem to provide a nice stop gap offering thousands of zones + even higher brightness out of LED.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Whatever floats people's boats but I'm not going anywhere near a new TV for a while yet. If we get this fabled micro LED successor to LCD, or an OLED that can hit 1000 nits that has decent tone mapping and ABL that doesn't kill the brightness stone dead in the next few years then I'll take a look. Until then I'll continue to enjoy one of the best HDR TVs on the market.

I don’t see any issues with the brightness or ABL on the new LGs that’s worth mentioning. LEDs are an incredibly poor and artificial source of light. Sure, micro LEDs will allow for many more zones, but they will never be able to convey the sheer beauty of film like OLEDs and plasma can.

[Fendergopher]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

of course they are the future. But they have quite a ways to go before they can be what they have the potential to live up to.

MiniLED seem to provide a nice stop gap offering thousands of zones + even higher brightness out of LED.

Yeah, I hope they start putting out MiniLED products soon, I think it might revitalize the higher-end LCD range a little bit. Not that I'm complaining about lower end products getting better, like the TCL 6-series and such.

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I don’t see any issues with the brightness or ABL on the new LGs that’s worth mentioning. LEDs are an incredibly poor and artificial source of light. Sure, micro LEDs will allow for many more zones, but they will never be able to convey the sheer beauty of film like OLEDs and plasma can.

MicroLED displays wouldn't use zones like LCDs with local dimming do, as the technology is self emissive, just like OLED. Maybe you're thinking of MiniLED?

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

Yeah, I hope they start putting out MiniLED products soon, I think it might revitalize the higher-end LCD range a little bit. Not that I'm complaining about lower end products getting better, like the TCL 6-series and such.

Totally, a MiniLED flagship with ~2,000 zones + Sony Wide Angle tech would make for a LCD TV that is almost indistinguishable from OLED aside from benchmarks and testing suites, while retaining the extreme brightness benefit of LED tech. I think that's the flagship most people should be waiting for IMO, which will be seen next year and with probably some really good pricing levels in 2020.

[Noremac Mij]

MicroLED displays wouldn't use zones like LCDs with local dimming do, as the technology is self emissive, just like OLED. Maybe you're thinking of MiniLED?

Yes, I meant miniLED.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Totally, a MiniLED flagship with ~2,000 zones + Sony Wide Angle tech would make for a LCD TV that is almost indistinguishable from OLED aside from benchmarks and testing suites, while retaining the extreme brightness benefit of LED tech. I think that's the flagship most people should be waiting for IMO, which will be seen next year and with probably some really good pricing levels in 2020.

Personally I could care less about viewing angles, movies should be watched at dead center in front of the TV anyway IMO. And I'm still curious whether the X-wide tech has had any kind of negative influence on the Z9F's picture quality.

Anyway a Sony Mini LED flagship with about 2000 zones and 4000 peak brightness is something which I would be very interested in. As for prices, I don't think you can expect to get the greatest and latest and pay a "good" price for it. If Sony can deliver a real premium product, then I'm willing to pay a premium price for it also. I would love for a Sony Mini LED to appear, which would then last for about a year or two/three before they start with MicroLED and QD.

I'm looking forward in what the future will bring...