Sony Z9F TV

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by DJR662

That would still be enough for a "true" Z9D follow up to fill that gap IMO.

Definitely. My guess is with miniled incoming so soon there's no point in overengineering a fald consisting of thousands of "traditional" backlight zones, when miniled accomplishes that by default.

This is probably the explanation for the zf9 being what it is. Would not surprise me to see the zf9 replace the x900f in 2019 as the mid range product with a true zd9 successor incoming with miniled and the master series being their new benchmark brand for hdr similar to Samsung's SUHD or QLED

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

I don't see it, this was their Veyron moment.

LOL I had to look that up.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJR662

LOL I had to look that up.

I don't get it.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't get it.

The bugatti veyron cost more to make than they sold it for, it's pure excess

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Robert Zohn

Robert Zohn


Thank you for your very fast reply to my first email to establish contact for ordering a new Sony Z TV.

I replied to that email From You with information you requested from me.

I also asked a few questions regarding your package of TV QC, Break-in, Pro-calibration. I sent this reply to you on:

Subject:*Re: Confirming Email with Robert Zohn to allow Ordering new TV

Date:*Sep 18, 2018 11:05 AM PST

I know you are super busy now with final preps for your ShootOut.

Please reply to above aforementioned time stamp'D email. For ordering a new Z TV.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

The bugatti veyron cost more to make than they sold it for, it's pure excess

Oh I see, got it.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh I see, got it.

It was a real case of let's do everything possible and push it as far as we can and F the cost of it.
I think cost vs return this is the best move for them really, they needed to do something

[Geoff D]

Sure, I mean it makes sense that they're not gonna go hunt that whale when they simply don't need to any more, not just because OLED has rapidly become their "premium" TV offering but with varying forms of other LCD-based tech just around the corner.

[mzupeman]

More than that, the Z9D was super expensive at launch and Im sure it probablh didn’t really hit a sales stride until they price went down. They probably wanted to pursue a more affordable price out of the gate this time, and who can blame them?

Btw, Magnolia said the television left the warehouse last week and should likelh arrive on a truck this evening to the local store location. Then, I have to schedule delivery. Im torn between scheduling ASAP and waiting until the 27th. Theres a new furnace being installed inside its isolated area in the man cave on the 26th but theyll need to run some venting out through the drop ceiling near my home entertainment area, so I may want to wait until that’s over for piece of mind.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, I mean it makes sense that they're not gonna go hunt that whale when they simply don't need to any more, not just because OLED has rapidly become their "premium" TV offering but with varying forms of other LCD-based tech just around the corner.

It's sad, but they would make more on oled in the niche upper end market as they have less invested in it all.
They still go full sony with screen speakers tho, the cannot help themselves.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

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Why not just wait for some professional reviews... and the upcoming shootout in 4 days...?

Instead of relying on a very defensive owner's views.

Words of Wisdom. I think appropriate.

Im excited for Vincient HDTVtest. Rtings.com. But I think all the Cool "Pro" reviewers wants to Shine their thoughts on these New TV's.

We will always have Peoples without the new Sony TV's at their home offering views. These are Exciting AV Times we live in. And likely very much so for peoples who been waiting 2 years for a new Z to present itself.

It maybe likely another new Z won't present itself until 2 years from now. Then 8K is the Big AV Talk

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

HeHe.

John Archer been quite way way Too Long. After all Peoples been stuffing Master Series TV's in their homes. Time for his Perspective. Certainly Mighty Forbes has Extra COINs to get him a couple sets to review

[ClassicRocker]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Of course it's overexposed to show the effect, but if you're familiar with falds, that blooming is precisely the type of effect I would expect out of a 100 zone tv.

Lots of people are too drunk on the Sony kool aid. They make great TV's, but they don't bend the laws of physics. I feel like it's the same discussion every year unfortunately.

One thing to keep in mind is the owner of the 75 is upgrading from a 128 zone Vizio with 600 nits of brightness - which in real world was much much less due to the dimming algorithm. It's all about perspective.

Yes, he's been raving about the 75 and I agree he's probably not used to top Sony tech. He keeps making the excuse that he has no issues with the blooming and claims it won't make a difference in the end for viewers. This is the same thing I heard from x930e owners. I happen to own an x930e and I noticed blooming issues immediately. I would wait for Vincent, Archer, or even Rtings before speculating. I am assuming both the 65 and 75 have their quirks. This is no Z9d sequel and I expect Vincent and Archer to make a similar assessment, albeit simultaneously praising the revolutionary features(x-wide, Ultimate chip, motion, autocal).

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by ClassicRocker

Yes, he's been raving about the 75 and I agree he's probably not used to top Sony tech. He keeps making the excuse that he has no issues with the blooming and claims it won't make a difference in the end for viewers. This is the same thing I heard from x930e owners. I happen to own an x930e and I noticed blooming issues immediately. I would wait for Vincent, Archer, or even Rtings before speculating. I am assuming both the 65 and 75 have their quirks. This is no Z9d sequel and I expect Vincent and Archer to make a similar assessment, albeit simultaneously praising the revolutionary features(x-wide, Ultimate chip, motion, autocal).

I'm starting to think this might be true.

In away I might be happy because if it turned out that the F is much better than the D, do I spend money to upgrade from my D? That makes my bank account shiver.


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[E6AtmosVuduDV]

JimShaw.

Thank you for all your good thoughts.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Vincent is getting closer! to the Z.

Yes. He talks some Z9F stuff/feature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHr0...ature=youtu.be

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

Words of Wisdom. I think appropriate.

Im excited for Vincient HDTVtest. Rtings.com. But I think all the Cool "Pro" reviewers wants to Shine their thoughts on these New TV's.

We will always have Peoples without the new Sony TV's at their home offering views. These are Exciting AV Times we live in. And likely very much so for peoples who been waiting 2 years for a new Z to present itself.

It maybe likely another new Z won't present itself until 2 years from now. Then 8K is the Big AV Talk

I would not hold out hope on Vincent saying anything good about it.
Home cinema choice and rtings work for me.

[mzupeman]

The 75” owner at that other place hasn’t quite been crazy about his praise for the set. He seems to be genuinely impressed in many aspects, and has also mentioned some of its weaker points but also clarified that the weaker aspects don’t seem to be as big a deal to him. The other user in that same thread who owns the television and has seemingly had worse performance… I don’t know, but the screenshots that person has been taking look just off to me. The imagery on their television looks far, far too bright overall. They had posted a picture from the beginning of The Matrix with a couple of agents by a car and a street lamp in the top right corner… there was significant light bleed in that image, REALLY significant, but the faces of the agents also appeared as light bulbs themselves, so… huge grain of salt going by that user’s opinion. The OP on the other hand, which is the 75” owner, has had a decent presence on those forums and stated even before receiving the Sony that it had to meet certain expectations or it was going back. Well, that person is happy with keeping their Z9F.

I’m only speculating now, but I believe there will be some blooming and/or light bleed on this set. With high nits and a lower zone count (allegedly) on the 65” and whatever Sony are doing to increase viewing angles, I think it’s unavoidable.

Seeing Joey of Modernwise on Twitter call the Z9F ‘a 900F Pro’ is something I could actually believe, but again, I’m stepping up from a 2016 Vizio M55-D0. I was actually considering the 900F itself so… if this is like the 900F but better, I’m actually okay with that. I know that may not be everyone’s cup of tea. “But, you do realize you’re spending a great deal more for the Z9F and that the extra cost may not be justified compared to the 900F, right?” I do have that itching at the back of my brain, yes. However, I am more than willing to pay good money for accurate colors, accuracy based on the HDR curve, and better uniformity. The DSE in regards to uniformity, while not bad on my M55-D0, is still something I HATE seeing.

Time will tell. I have to call Magnolia today to see if my television came off the truck last night. I’ve decided at this point I’ll probably just try and schedule for deliver on the 27th, the day after my new furnace gets installed so I don’t have to worry about somebody smacking some piping/tubing onto the screen.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

The 75” owner at that other place hasn’t quite been crazy about his praise for the set. He seems to be genuinely impressed in many aspects, and has also mentioned some of its weaker points but also clarified that the weaker aspects don’t seem to be as big a deal to him. The other user in that same thread who owns the television and has seemingly had worse performance… I don’t know, but the screenshots that person has been taking look just off to me. The imagery on their television looks far, far too bright overall. They had posted a picture from the beginning of The Matrix with a couple of agents by a car and a street lamp in the top right corner… there was significant light bleed in that image, REALLY significant, but the faces of the agents also appeared as light bulbs themselves, so… huge grain of salt going by that user’s opinion. The OP on the other hand, which is the 75” owner, has had a decent presence on those forums and stated even before receiving the Sony that it had to meet certain expectations or it was going back. Well, that person is happy with keeping their Z9F.

It's called overexposure from the camera. The main effect of this is indeed making the blooming look brighter than it really is. Typically though, no matter how overexposed a photo is, it's not going to make a small amount of blooming look like a massive blooming spot - it's just going to make it appear brighter. What the photograph DOESN'T exaggerate or mislead us about is that we are indeed working within the confines of a 100 zone television. Which, to be frank, in 2018 is quite poor - It's half the number of the zones of a Vizio PQ tv.

The bottom line is that when it comes to FALD, it's going to either 1) retain highlight brightness and show blooming, 2) dim highlights, or 3) elevate black levels of the overall image to hide blooming. The more zones you have, the better it is at mitigating blooming, not dimming highlights as much, and not elevate black levels of the overall image. This isn't about an algorithm, it's just the laws of physics. What the algorithm is going to do is analyze each frame and decide which sacrifice is more appropriate, or combination thereof, given what's on the screen and go from there. So yes, people are correct when they say "zones counts aren't everything" - But the harsh reality is that they are a large % and the majority of the performance.

But really the bottom line is that less zones you have, the less effective these options are - 100 zones doesn't give much to work with. Coming from a Vizio M, you'll surely see an "upgrade", but you can do much better for the money IMO. Vizio PQ, OLED, or even a 2 year old 65 Z9D for $2999 are all better options.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

It's called overexposure from the camera. The main effect of this is indeed making the blooming look brighter than it really is. Typically though, no matter how overexposed a photo is, it's not going to make a small amount of blooming look like a massive blooming spot - it's just going to make it appear brighter. What the photograph DOESN'T exaggerate or mislead us about is that we are indeed working within the confines of a 100 zone television. Which, to be frank, in 2018 is quite poor - It's half the number of the zones of a Vizio PQ tv.

The bottom line is that when it comes to FALD, it's going to either 1) retain highlight brightness and show blooming, 2) dim highlights, or 3) elevate black levels of the overall image to hide blooming. The more zones you have, the better it is at mitigating blooming, not dimming highlights as much, and not elevate black levels of the overall image. This isn't about an algorithm, it's just the laws of physics. What the algorithm is going to do is analyze each frame and decide which sacrifice is more appropriate, or combination thereof, given what's on the screen and go from there. So yes, people are correct when they say "zones counts aren't everything" - But the harsh reality is that they are a large % and the majority of the performance.

But really the bottom line is that less zones you have, the less effective these options are - 100 zones doesn't give much to work with. Coming from a Vizio M, you'll surely see an "upgrade", but you can do much better for the money IMO. Vizio PQ, OLED, or even a 2 year old 65 Z9D for $2999 are all better options.

I won’t touch OLED. I game an awful lot and cant risk retention or burn over time. I also dont care for Sasmsung or Vizio blowing past the HDR curve. The Sony line is what it comes down to for me as a result, and my choice boiled down to this or the 900F.