Sony Z9F TV

[Fendergopher]

Originally Posted by ray0414

LOL digitalfernhendes is way above rtings on a technical standpoint. Rtings says the Q8 is better than the Z9D despite only having 40 dimming zones.

No idea who that is so I'll take your word for it. Besides I mainly look at measurements rather than ratings, as ratings tend to be very subjective.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think I said in the "how many nits do I need?" thread that if the AF9 does indeed get nearer to 900 nits and if Sony can stop the ABL from smashing that brightness and if (lotta 'ands' and 'ifs' here) they can tune their mapping to not just clip then...woah.

A lot of people will eulogise about OLED's perfect black and rightly so but HDR is not about that, not when you're dealing with absolute luminance source material, and if we can get genuinely powerful HDR brightness allied with dat black (plus Sony's renowned processing prowess) then it could well end up being the perfect marriage of both.

At first glance it seems as if the ZF9 is a typical sideways step by Sony, and people may well be on to something when they say that the ZD9 was over-engineered to try and keep pace with OLED (they created a monster...a monster!) but that the ZF9 is less heroic because it simply doesn't need to be, not with OLED as part of Sony's own range now.

You can get dem zd9's super cheap now...

[Geoff D]

I already got one tho

[tommyboy81]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

You can get dem zd9's super cheap now...

yeah, im still eye balling that on Roberts website. lol

[Geoff D]

Would seriously consider a 75" for the right price though, the 65" has dropped to literally half what I paid for it 15 months ago but the 75" is still stubbornly high.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

No idea who that is so I'll take your word for it. Besides I mainly look at measurements rather than ratings, as ratings tend to be very subjective.

Ah well in that case. Digitalfernhendes is a very technical review site in germany. Their the ones who did the measurements on the Z9F that we are seeing. The odds of them making errors like this would be extremely unlikely.

[alexanderg823]

Digitalfernhendes has had some of the most in depth technical reviews of tvs for years now. They always cover blooming, zones, viewing angles, dse, everything - and they always compare to the competition and let you see for yourself.

Their videos are always just show don't tell, and I've gotten much more use out of them than any other reviews tbh.

[Geoff D]

You guys got a web address for that place?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You guys got a web address for that place?

YouTube channel


https://www.youtube.com/user/digitalfernsehende


Website:


http://www.digitalfernsehen.de

[alexanderg823]

Be careful their videos are in German so you need to use auto caption translate. Which produces interesting results but it's always good enough to at least understand everything you'd want to know.

[Geoff D]

gah, why didn't I search for digitalfernsehen rather than "digitalferhendes", which made the search engines think I was after indians of portuguese descent. You guys!

German isn't a problem. Not that I speak it but the gist is generally gettable.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I already got one tho

3 words

Zd9
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[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Digitalfernhendes has had some of the most in depth technical reviews of tvs for years now. They always cover blooming, zones, viewing angles, dse, everything - and they always compare to the competition and let you see for yourself.

Their videos are always just show don't tell, and I've gotten much more use out of them than any other reviews tbh.

So no silly skits and crampton and Moore non disclosed sponsorship?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

gah, why didn't I search for digitalfernsehen rather than "digitalferhendes", which made the search engines think I was after indians of portuguese descent. You guys!

German isn't a problem. Not that I speak it but the gist is generally gettable.

Yep didn't realize I was spelling it wrong until I posted the links.

[Nothing371]

People who bought Z9D's and 930E's are feeling pretty pretty good about their purchases, in 2018!

[mzupeman]

So we have Robert seeming confident in the set and we have some other place releasing some really offputting numbers. This is going to be a nail biter until we get real details.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

3 words

Zd9
Video
Wall

[ray0414]

Z9Failure

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Z9Failure

I wouldn't say that's entirely true... not yet. As skeptical as some people may be, dimming algorithms can go a LONG way and when combined with whatever tech Sony are using in order to get those wide viewing angles, who knows what sort of trickery they're able to use in order to get great results. The Samsung Q8FN can seemingly do better with blooming even though it's got about 20 less zones than the 900F. But yeah... 100-ish zones on a set that may go for $3500+... eesh.

As far as being less bright than the Z9D, that's also disappointing but not the biggest deal. Accuracy is more important but losing any nit levels won't benefit gamers who like to game in HDR.

I'm more concerned about the alleged contrast ratio.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

I wouldn't say that's entirely true... not yet. As skeptical as some people may be, dimming algorithms can go a LONG way and when combined with whatever tech Sony are using in order to get those wide viewing angles, who knows what sort of trickery they're able to use in order to get great results. The Samsung Q8FN can seemingly do better with blooming even though it's got about 20 less zones than the 900F. But yeah... 100-ish zones on a set that may go for $3500+... eesh.

As far as being less bright than the Z9D, that's also disappointing but not the biggest deal. Accuracy is more important but losing any nit levels won't benefit gamers who like to game in HDR.

I'm more concerned about the alleged contrast ratio.

The contrast ratio is very concerning. Combined with only 104 zones is not great for either the price point or being called "master series". Also disappointing to see Sony yet again refusing to expand the color gamut.

BTW, I haven't seen a direct comparison of the 65Q8 and 65900F, rtings comparison was with 55" only. When you go up to 65, the Q8 keeps the same 40 zones while the 900f gets a small bump I believe. The Q8 does have the glossy panel with black filters tho which gives the appearance of darker blacks anytime there's lights on, and it works very good too.