Sony Z9F TV

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by ray0414

The contrast ratio is very concerning. Combined with only 104 zones is not great for either the price point or being called "master series". Also disappointing to see Sony yet again refusing to expand the color gamut.

BTW, I haven't seen a direct comparison of the 65Q8 and 65900F, rtings comparison was with 55" only. When you go up to 65, the Q8 keeps the same 40 zones while the 900f gets a small bump I believe. The Q8 does have the glossy panel with black filters tho which gives the appearance of darker blacks anytime there's lights on, and it works very good too.

True. I think the 55" has something like 48 zones while the next step up has like 60. I could be wrong though. It gets hard remember all the details across models.

[elwaylite]

I would think a Samsung fanboy would be used to disappointment, yet you act like Sony is some bad guy lol.

LCD owners still worrying about zones, get an OLED (they actually win awards) and you don't have to worry about that... Oh wait, you got a lot of nits, your sig says so...

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I would think a Samsung fanboy would be used to disappointment, yet you act like Sony is some bad guy lol.

LCD owners still worrying about zones, get an OLED (they actually win awards) and you don't have to worry about that... Oh wait, you got a lot of nits, your sig says so...

Ha. You'll be upgrading your dim oled as soon as a brighter 1 comes out and then you'll tell everyone how great it is.

And YES, people are worried about zones because THIS IS THE Z9F THREAD. NOT THE A9F THREAD.

[FT-86]

I don’t see Sony making a step down product of the Z9D, and marketing it under their Master Class brand. We’ll see though. Im curious if they could increase the brightness in the A9F. Im sorta surprised Sony hasn’t been able to make a close to perfect tv. They’ve had a good track record with the xbr8, xbr900, and then the Z9D.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

I wouldn't say that's entirely true... not yet. As skeptical as some people may be, dimming algorithms can go a LONG way and when combined with whatever tech Sony are using in order to get those wide viewing angles, who knows what sort of trickery they're able to use in order to get great results. The Samsung Q8FN can seemingly do better with blooming even though it's got about 20 less zones than the 900F. But yeah... 100-ish zones on a set that may go for $3500+... eesh.

As far as being less bright than the Z9D, that's also disappointing but not the biggest deal. Accuracy is more important but losing any nit levels won't benefit gamers who like to game in HDR.

I'm more concerned about the alleged contrast ratio.

I certainly hope that X-wide viewing tech does not have any negative influence on the picture or holding the TV back in its capabilities whatsoever. I cannot imagine sacrificing anything just so you could sit and watch from an angle. Never understood why there's such a fuss about the limited viewing angles with LCD anyway.

I for one would have loved a much brighter Sony TV than the Z9D. I was expecting it with the Z9F actually. As far as brightness goes, I really wish Sony would have aimed for those 4000 nits. Wouldn't that concern accuracy also regarding specific UHD titles?

Originally Posted by elwaylite

LCD owners still worrying about zones, get an OLED (they actually win awards) and you don't have to worry about that...

But then we'd have to worry about other things?

Originally Posted by FT-86

I don’t see Sony making a step down product of the Z9D, and marketing it under their Master Class brand. We’ll see though. Im curious if they could increase the brightness in the A9F. Im sorta surprised Sony hasn’t been able to make a close to perfect tv. They’ve had a good track record with the xbr8, xbr900, and then the Z9D.

Actually they did, it's the 75" model of the last one you mentioned.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I certainly hope that X-wide viewing tech does not have any negative influence on the picture or holding the TV back in its capabilities whatsoever. I cannot imagine sacrificing anything just so you could sit and watch from an angle. Never understood why there's such a fuss about the limited viewing angles with LCD anyway.

I for one would have loved a much brighter Sony TV than the Z9D. I was expecting it with the Z9F actually. As far as brightness goes, I really wish Sony would have aimed for those 4000 nits. Wouldn't that concern accuracy also regarding specific UHD titles?




But then we'd have to worry about other things?




Actually they did, it's the 75" model of the last one you mentioned.

And its big brother.
Let's see real world tests.
Home cinema choice for me.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Smile13 posted

The guy, probably a Forum member who was at the event, is talking in post #314 about the TVs at the event(die Vorführgeräte) which are ''not mass-production samples(nicht Serienfertigung)'' ''but pre-mass production samples (sondern Vorserie)'' so he states it twice. btw i can read fluent german so i do not deal with poor translation.
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-144-9650-7.html

I guess if its like that. Those sets can actually have more Love.

I mean who What Name Corporation would takes a Bummy or not extreme best units to the Trade Show, Major Product Exhibit shows.

For all I know. Power cord for TV's at trade shows may be silver as conductive for PQ effect, enhanced video.

We need to test a Z9F brought from a Mega AV store. And better in our own homes.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Interesting

Our feeling from what Sony said at its introduction to the ZF9 is that it doesn’t support more local dimming zones than the ZD9. And may even support less. What is certain is that the processing being used to drive the dimming algorithms is far more powerful on the Sony ZF9 – and experience has shown before that this can actually be much more important than simply having the most dimming zones.

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...erence-3523377

[Agent Kay]

Is it?
It's not like Sony made a worse TV so it wouldn't sell.
They would want to replace their aging flagship

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Is it?
It's not like Sony made a worse TV so it wouldn't sell.
They would want to replace their aging flagship

This is partially why I'm not completely shaken from buying a Z9F. There are things I'm very concerned about when buying a TV, and thus far, it seems like I'm going to have some issues no matter what I buy. What's going to be the lesser of all the evils out there? I could go for a ZD9 but I'd really like to buy a current model. I don't want Samsung because of the crushed blacks. I'm not considering OLED because I game a lot and really don't want to have to deal with any retention stuff. The Vizio P Quantum is interesting but I'd rather see more real world owners talking about it, and I really don't want to deal with their DSE.

The Z9F could potentially be not as bright as the Z9D, but as long as it's able to surpass 1,000 nits comfortably, not exactly a big problem. A lot of televisions right now are going for brightness when all that's doing is degrading the image quality in some way. The Z9F is aiming for ACCURACY. Sony have been one of the most dependable in the market in this respect. The overall quality of their sets seem to be good too.

I have to be skeptical about that contrast ratio thing. I'm not sure how these events work but would that person who got the scoop - even if they know their stuff (and apparently they do) - really be able to get an accurate measurement just yet?

100-ish zones... that's a harder pill to swallow I suppose but that's probably just fine as long as Sony's algorithms work great, and I have no reason to imagine they won't.

I'm sure if there was anything glaringly obviously bad as a result of any of this, a professional among the attendees probably would have walked away and said so. A lot of people, Vincent Teoh and the like, walked away fairly impressed.

We really do need to just wait and see. I'm not saying it's impossible for the Z9F to be a piece of 'forget about it' at its asking price, but specs, and especially 'I got to see it at an event' impressions are hardly everything.

[Agent Kay]

One day people will learn, specs don't tell the whole story ever.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

One day people will learn, specs don't tell the whole story ever.

True perhaps, and I'm still trying to keep an open mind. But judging from what we know thus far, I think this is not going to be what people expected it to be... Just compare this to when the Z9D was announced and the reception it got.

We'll see what happens. CES 2019 is not that far away anyway, already looking forward to that.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

One day people will learn, specs don't tell the whole story ever.

Unless sony master series has mastered defying the laws of physics, then 104 zones is a massive downgrade over the z9d.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Unless sony master series has mastered defying the laws of physics, then 104 zones is a massive downgrade over the z9d.

Let's wait to see a pro get their hands on it.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Unless sony master series has mastered defying the laws of physics, then 104 zones is a massive downgrade over the z9d.

Zones alone isn’t the entire story especially considering Sony’s processing and their tech for wider viewing angles. This is for sure a ‘wait and see’.

[tommyboy81]

so from what I've been reading so far at AVS, it was confirmed that what they looked at was a pre-production model. How far into pre-production, idk. I'm surprised Sony let them measure stuff and were more open to them, than they were to everyone in NY. Where they couldn't measure anything

Now I haven't read anything on what they thought of the picture quality. But from the people including Robert that saw it in NY (a production model) they were impressed. Besides the slight grayish black bar

[alexanderg823]

You're kidding yourself if you believe 104 zones can magically surpass or even compete with 650+ zones because software. Lol. That's absurd and it's one thing to be optimistic but some are going to be in for a rude awakening if the zone count is true.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

You're kidding yourself if you believe 104 zones can magically surpass or even compete with 650+ zones because software. Lol. That's absurd and it's one thing to be optimistic but some are going to be in for a rude awakening if the zone count is true.

Nobody said that low a zone count could surpass 650+ zones. What I said was that it may not be as doom and gloom as people are saying and that it’ll likely be fine but we should wait and see.

Stop putting words in peoples mouths.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Nobody said that low a zone count could surpass 650+ zones. What I said was that it may not be as doom and gloom as people are saying and that it’ll likely be fine but we should wait and see.

Stop putting words in peoples mouths.

Comments like yours in which you say, and I quote, "zone count alone isn't the whole story" is naive at best in the context of a whopping downgrade from 650 to 100.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Comments like yours in which you say, and I quote, "zone count alone isn't the whole story" is naive at best in the context of a whopping downgrade from 650 to 100.

But zone count alone ISN’T the whole story. Sony are doing very different things in general with this set and we have no real idea how that’s going to pan out, but we do know that people are seemingly impressed with what they saw thus far.

I think the only real naive approach here is one where someone is going to write a product off without knowing any real information.

I, on the other hand, will continue to remain open minded and not resort to mob mentality hyperbole. I am actually in the market for a high end set and while Ive figures the Z9F would be my next set for a while, it’s not a given. I am more than open to something else... but you know, I have to wait and see. Just like everyone else should.