Sony Z9F TV - Page 25 - Blu-ray Forum

alexanderg823 · 08-26-2018, 10:28 PM

Dude there's simply no possible way they can make 100 zones compete with 650 zones. Theres a massive physical limitation difference there that software just can't overcome. Some of you are way too deep in the Sony processing kool-aid.

Agent Kay · 08-26-2018, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Dude there's simply no possible way they can make 100 zones compete with 650 zones. Theres a massive physical limitation difference there that software just can't overcome. Some of you are way too deep in the Sony processing kool-aid.

How about we let a pro count the actual zones on a release set.
And then decide.

davidjschenk · 08-26-2018, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Kay

How about we let a pro count the actual zones on a release set.
And then decide.

I suppose it depends on exactly what one means by the term professional, but I do regard digitalfernsehen as professional (or at least professional-class).

My big worry now is this (and I think Ray or someone else here already mentioned it, but I can't find the original post): Sony might be close to washing its hands of locally dimmed LCDs because it now has OLEDs to offer for its prosumer-level displays, and that'll be a disaster if it happens. They own the technology to individually modulated LED backlighting, which is what Backlight Master Drive really is. Therefore, if in 2019 they abandon it and bury the patented technology, then the Z9Ds, for whatever warts they have, are the first and only consumer-available LCDs with individually modulated LED backlights. To me that means the single greatest invention ever for LCD backlighting will be dead and buried after the last Z9D is sold.

I'm actually thinking very hard about buying a remaining Z9D now.

alexanderg823 · 08-26-2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Kay

How about we let a pro count the actual zones on a release set.
And then decide.

The 104 zone count comes from one of the most respected professional sources in the industry, FYI. That's why it's being taken so seriously.

PaulGo · 08-26-2018, 11:48 PM

Two thing that I noticed in comparing the specs between the Z9D and the Z9F - the Z9F weighs less but it also uses substantially more power. Given the chipset update which should use less power, that means the screen illumination should be substantially higher. Again when the Z9F undergoes a rigorous test we will get an accurate picture of its capabilities.

gkolb · 08-27-2018, 12:05 AM

All I know right now, is if the price for the 75" Z9D comes down from $7,000 in USA to 5K or under, I'll likely get one to replace my 65" Z9D.

Nothing371 · 08-27-2018, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mzupeman

I could go for a ZD9 but I'd really like to buy a current model.

See this is a sentiment I don't understand. At this point, it seems quite clear which set you should be looking into. The Z9D is confirmed to be awesome. Later builds are also always better than early builds. I don't know why people have a thing against buying a model from last year. Besides the fact that they want to tell everyone they just bought a 2018 television.

I've love to be in a position where I needed to buy a new TV right now and I could be trying to acquire a 65" Z9D for around $2500. Day old bread prices on brand new TVs are awesome.

mzupeman · 08-27-2018, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nothing371

See this is a sentiment I don't understand. At this point, it seems quite clear which set you should be looking into. The Z9D is confirmed to be awesome. Later builds are also always better than early builds. I don't know why people have a thing against buying a model from last year. Besides the fact that they want to tell everyone they just bought a 2018 television.

I've love to be in a position where I needed to buy a new TV right now and I could be trying to acquire a 65" Z9D for around $2500. Day old bread prices on brand new TVs are awesome.

Nothing is clear until we get a better idea as to what the Z9F's strengths and weaknesses are. And I probably phrased that wrong anyway... the Z9D is not out of the question for me. If the Z9F comes out and it proves to really be a disappointment then I'm going with the Z9D, most likely.

E6AtmosVuduDV · 08-27-2018, 03:21 AM

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I've love to be in a position where I needed to buy a new TV right now and I could be trying to acquire a 65" Z9D for around $2500. Day old bread prices on brand new TVs are awesome.

Z9D for $2500 would be great.

But if Z9F proves worthy and can be brought for $2500-$2999 on an appropriately timed sale... that would be AWESOME. Especially with its wide viewing angles. And looks close to a $30,000 monitor's PQ(?).

2 year old TV. $2500 should be its price for LCD.

Agent Kay · 08-27-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alexanderg823

The 104 zone count comes from one of the most respected professional sources in the industry, FYI. That's why it's being taken so seriously.

Did you miss the release set part of what I said?

alexanderg823 · 08-27-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Did you miss the release set part of what I said?

No, I missed the part where you explained why you think a set that is going to be for sale in a couple of weeks is going to dramatically change from what's being currently shown.

Agent Kay · 08-27-2018, 08:48 PM

I think people buy into PR way too much.
And I believe on waiting till things come out before making my mind up

Noremac Mij · 08-27-2018, 09:18 PM

I think at this point, OLEDs are the way to go. That LG C8 is amazing.

Agent Kay · 08-27-2018, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I think at this point, OLEDs are the way to go. That LG C8 is amazing.

King of the world and drive by sh8t posting

Noremac Mij · 08-27-2018, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Kay

King of the world and drive by sh8t posting

Not at all dvdmike. I used to have an A1E and upgraded to C8. Huge Sony fan here BTW. The new A9F sounds very promising. But I think the future is OLED. Much more cinematic and blacks to die for.

mzupeman · 08-27-2018, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Not at all dvdmike. I used to have an A1E and upgraded to C8. Huge Sony fan here BTW. The new A9F sounds very promising. But I think the future is OLED. Much more cinematic and blacks to die for.

I doubt it. OLED still cant quite get the HDR thing too right and ABL is kind of a concerning compromise to make. When micro LED comes along it’ll probably take over.

Noremac Mij · 08-27-2018, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mzupeman

I doubt it. OLED still cant quite get the HDR thing too right and ABL is kind of a concerning compromise to make. When micro LED comes along it’ll probably take over.

As a film fan, I’m not worried about having the highest nit rating. OLED is sublime in everything else.

RalphoR · 08-27-2018, 11:09 PM

Micro LED looks very promising. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony is just phasing out their LED line and the Z9F is just a patchwork segue product until they launch.

samlop10 · 08-27-2018, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RalphoR

Micro LED looks very promising. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony is just phasing out their LED line and the Z9F is just a patchwork segue product until they launch.

I’m still holding out for more substantial reviews and measurements on units out in the ‘wild’ before making a final judgment, but up until now that’s how it feels with this model. Wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out that next year they announce a miniLED model, or like you said, maybe even a microLED one as the new flagship.

mzupeman · 08-27-2018, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

As a film fan, I’m not worried about having the highest nit rating. OLED is sublime in everything else.

I also don't think that pure nit numbers alone can judge the impressive nature of OLED's visuals considering the contrast they're able to produce with true blacks, but that said, there's other trade offs. Games look great with the brighter flavor of HDR. OLED's also can suffer from vertical banding. The motion on OLED's are more stuttery unless you want to apply some built in algorithm to make it appear less so. And because OLED's are so careful to make sure you don't screw something up, they have ABL, which will change the image on the fly if the processing deems it necessary for the health of the TV.

LCD on the other hand, while it has its own set of issues due to FALD and how it works, doesn't have to worry about any of that stuff. You can get damn impressive black levels in 2018 AND great, bright HDR (and even accurate HDR depending on the model) with virtually none of the 'treat it well or it'll cause screen issues' concerns.

Micro LED will be the perfect middle ground that should be able to deliver the best of both worlds.

08-26-2018, 10:28 PM	#481
alexanderg823 Senior Member Member since:Feb 2016 Trading Score:12	Dude there's simply no possible way they can make 100 zones compete with 650 zones. Theres a massive physical limitation difference there that software just can't overcome. Some of you are way too deep in the Sony processing kool-aid.

08-26-2018, 11:48 PM	#485
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	Two thing that I noticed in comparing the specs between the Z9D and the Z9F - the Z9F weighs less but it also uses substantially more power. Given the chipset update which should use less power, that means the screen illumination should be substantially higher. Again when the Z9F undergoes a rigorous test we will get an accurate picture of its capabilities.

08-27-2018, 12:05 AM	#486
gkolb Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Feb 2012 Location:Bakersfield, CA 4K collection:977 Blu-ray collection:2939 DVD collection:273	All I know right now, is if the price for the 75" Z9D comes down from $7,000 in USA to 5K or under, I'll likely get one to replace my 65" Z9D.

08-27-2018, 08:48 PM	#492
Agent Kay Banned Member since:May 2018 4K collection:57 Blu-ray collection:57	I think people buy into PR way too much. And I believe on waiting till things come out before making my mind up

08-27-2018, 09:18 PM	#493
Noremac Mij Banned Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:80 Blu-ray collection:80	I think at this point, OLEDs are the way to go. That LG C8 is amazing.

08-27-2018, 11:09 PM	#498
RalphoR Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Oct 2013 Location:The Forbidden Valley of NE Ohio Trading Score:13	Micro LED looks very promising. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony is just phasing out their LED line and the Z9F is just a patchwork segue product until they launch.

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