Sony Z9F TV

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by tommyboy81

I still have it off, and trying the Dynamic range on the 820

Now that I have more time this evening, I'm actually trying a brightness of 10 on SDR with gamma at -2, and for HDR I'm using a gamma of 0. X-Tended Dynamic Range off for both. I wanted to give these settings more of a fair shake. They looked really bland to me some nights ago when I first tried them, but I couldn't properly assess as I was really used to seeing X-Tended Dynamic Range on.

Tonight I changed the settings before viewing any content... and these settings look quite good, actually. HDR content still gets comparatively bright but without hurting my eyes. I'm just going to try similar settings for gaming and try some SDR content but I think I may stick with this.

I'd still probably want to switch x-tended dynamic range on when I went to show friends the capabilities of this television, but for actual usage I think keeping it off is best.

Unless you're in a bright room.

But I'm doing all my viewing in a pitch black setting so I think the base settings for that calibration you had done on the set are the way to go. Let's see how I feel about this after a while.

While the HDR has been great at melting my face off and I've been very pleased with just how impressive it makes everything look, my goal has always been to get an image that's more accurate to the source and I somehow doubt X-Tended Dynamic Range really comes into play there. What I'm experiencing now is definitely more natural, while HDR still smokes the brightest stuff you see in theaters.

[tommyboy81]

There's some content that really shows this thing off. Fantastic Beasts is not one of them. Disappointed with the 4k on the movie. The Dynamic Range on the player is really good so I might not even turn the one on on the tv.

Trying Ready Player One and holy crap. Now I rented the Bluray when it came out and watched it on my Plasma and it wasnt bad. But this is a whole other level.

I did get this though. Right now I'm trying the brightness at 20%. Light is a little brighter than what the pics are showing

[tommyboy81]

Haven't tried SDR content yet. When I do I might try Speed Racer. Decided to buy that last week.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Are the Ready Player One photos of Dolby Vision playback or HDR10???

[tommyboy81]

at the time, HDR. On DV right now.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Would be great if you can show DV vs HDR photos of Ready Player One.

One advantage of DV_____ youre locked or greyed out from many picture settings changes. Even on the Awesome UB820.
Believe no HDR Optimizer changes under DV

[tommyboy81]

If I remember from that video when I first watched it he said the DV dims. Think you said the same thing with your D?

The Z9F has 2 DV settings, "Dark and Bright" Bright with Xtended Dynamic Range on the Sony on gives the same brightness as the HDR. Imo with the movie I watched. At least with the HDR on the Panasonic 820, the players Dynamic Range goes brighter than what Sony gives you and makes the image pop more. With Ready Player One I honestly couldn't tell the difference. So me sending picks of the difference would be kind of pointless

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Thank you Tommy.

Importantly I just saw this by a poster at a different forum...

I published this quote earlier from Doug Blackburn's review of the Z9D published in Wide Screen Review: "Custom mode limits peak white to 1,000 nits, and it does not do tone mapping. That makes Custom mode unsuitable for use in HDR mode unless you need to emulate Sony’s HDR mastering monitor."
This seems to imply that there is additional "under the covers" settings affecting at least this picture mode on the Z9D, and perhaps on the Z9F and other displays as well. Again, I wish there were available documentation on this type of behavior so that we could make informed decisions WRT our calibrations.

I find doing full adjustable HDR very important.

Yes the UB820 has awesome PQ mod capabilities.

Reciently I brought the new Onkyo 830 receiver with DV and HDR10 passthru. And added 2 new rear atmos speakers. Will be busy getting 5.2.4 or 5.1.4 Atmos to work. Hopefully when alls done I can buy the Panasonic UB9000. Hopefully the 9000 will add pop to my Z9D DV.

But Z9D HDR10 now is like HDR10+. As Vincent HDTVtest relates. Im extremely happy too.

Important Note____

Z9F can eARC out non-LOSSY Atmos. Thats amazing.
Would have loved to experience it on AVR 5.1.4

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Tommy.
The Vincent video above is new. I never talked about that video before. His Sony Masters Series DV discussion there is very interesting.

[oildude]

Hi E6AtmosVuduDV,

I mean this in the nicest possible way.....please stop spamming this thread with unrelated information to the Sony Z9F. I know you mean well, but posting video after video, including comparisons of other TVs to OLEDs and nitpicking video quality and performance from a shootout video that is itself of questionable quality, is not helpful.

You are welcome to participate in this and other threads, but please do so in a manner that is constructive to the overall community. You have great enthusiasm and that is appreciated. Many of us are gearheads of various levels of knowledge. We love to discuss our toys and how to get the best performance out of them, and research potential buys before plunking down our hard earned cash on gear. The fact is, from all the posts here I have reviewed, you don't own this TV. Would it not make more sense, and be more helpful to other members, to spend more of your energy and enthusiasm in a thread for equipment you own?

Thanks for being a member of Blu-ray.com and have a great day.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Thank you.

Our Retirement home(not our main residence) has only a 40 inch or smaller Sony, Its old. We are awaiting pro reviews for the 75 inch Z9F. We like very much the Z9F eARC for non lossy Atmos. No other TVs can do that with their internal movie apps. Sony x-Wide is important for our retirement home larger living room.

It was reading this thread that helped us to decide buying the 65 Z9D rather than the 65 Z9F. We could'nt have decided that just reading the Z9D thread.

One learns a lot reading 53 pages on this Z9F thread.

[Robert Zohn]

Check out this new video I just uploaded on my YouTube Channel. It came from our Sony dealer portal and was just added yesterday. Although it's a promotional video it explains Sony's planning and position on the new Master Series TVs.

https://youtu.be/3Mnc642_4GY

[Blu350z]

I had a Sony rep at a Best Buy tell me that their Master series are able to take out the black bars on the top and bottom of the film and have it display full screens on their tv without losing quality. That their Master series and some of their projectors are the only ones to do that.

Anyone care to explain or tell me that it's true? Also those with this set with Android O is it true that the TV has a microphone that always listen for "Google" commands rather than waiting for a button to be pushed on the remote.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Blu350z

I had a Sony rep at a Best Buy tell me that their Master series are able to take out the black bars on the top and bottom of the film and have it display full screens on their tv without losing quality. That their Master series and some of their projectors are the only ones to do that.

Anyone care to explain or tell me that it's true? Also those with this set with Android O is it true that the TV has a microphone that always listen for "Google" commands rather than waiting for a button to be pushed on the remote.

I can only assume the rep may have been talking about some sort of zoom in. I haven’t tested that out because I wouldn’t care to try. You’d lose something though, but it actual picture or whatever.

But yes, the tv has a built in mic so you can use voice commands.

[tommyboy81]

There is a zoom. I tried it with Blade Runner 2049. Yes, the bars are gone but you also lose 30 to 40% of the sides of the picture. Not a good trade imo

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by tommyboy81

There is a zoom. I tried it with Blade Runner 2049. Yes, the bars are gone but you also lose 30 to 40% of the sides of the picture. Not a good trade imo

I can’t imagine there isn’t a visual trade-off with the zoom function picture quality wise either. It may be less a drop woth 4K content visually. Maybe the processing chip can do something to make the zoomed/cropped image look nicer than on other sets... I don’t know, but it seems counterproductive to buy a television that costs $3500 and make that particular trade-off.

It seriously sounds like the Sony rep was feeding you a line.

[Geoff D]

Bloody hell, it's only taken Sony five years and six product iterations to be able to zoom in 4K signals on their TVs! To be fair to the BBY rep, their obvious dislike of letterboxing aside (though many common joes do actually share that same viewpoint), the Sony zooming IS of high quality if the 1080p zooming options on the ZD9 are anything to go by.

[tommyboy81]

To me and i think i said it before. If you sit at the proper distant, face facing dead center, and paying attention to the movie you do not really notice the blooming or elevated black bars. Not saying you wont ever notice it you will.

I don't find it amazing that the tv has this amazing picture, this and that and all everyone can talk about is, "oh, look at them contrast numbers! Oh, look at the zone numbers! Oh, blooming!" Then you mention picture and all the positives and close to pled without the inky blacks and they'll go, "but them numbers and Bars! Those bar bar Bars! Screw picture, those bars!"

[tommyboy81]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bloody hell, it's only taken Sony five years and six product iterations to be able to zoom in 4K signals on their TVs! To be fair to the BBY rep, their obvious dislike of letterboxing aside (though many common joes do actually share that same viewpoint), the Sony zooming IS of high quality if the 1080p zooming options on the ZD9 are anything to go by.

Quality looked good. But...i can't remember if the tv was reading it as 1080p or 4k. Had an issue earlier that day with that. Turned out I screwed something up on the player and accidently threw HDMI Audio as "audio-video" had that going on along with the tv deciding it wanted to reset the settings

[LordoftheRings]

Tom's review:
• https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ra-hdtv-review