Sony Z9F TV

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by tommyboy81

you think the Z9D will go lower in price ($2500) when the F rolls out? Because at a $500 difference, I don't see why anyone would get the D's. If lowered, and picture quality wise they're almost identical, I can see myself buying the D

And for the 3D support (Z9D).

[LordoftheRings]

What happened to the Z9E?

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Z9E was the one with more diming zones, 3D, Beautiful Central TV Stand, HDMI 2.1, 4000 Nits_______ but Sony decided instead to go the Directors Intent focus, same with the added Netflix feature, add a transducer for the screen, X-wide, and a part way HDMI 2.1 as eARC etc.

Thus the F was born.

Sorry Bob. Just being funny.

What is it. Like 5-7% of TV's today in USA are Pro-Calibrated for Directors Intent.

Me I mainly, just want more Zones. Beautiful stand. 3D

Hell. For me they can even chuck the TV Acoustics or speakers. Spend that money for more Zones.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

What happened to the Z9E?

Sony is on a 2-year cycle for their Flagship LCD tv.

Seems to be one-year for the OLED, maybe LG Display making enough of a panel improvement to warrant annual upgrades.

[PNeski]

gee now they come out with Off Angle viewing feature ,just after bought my TV

[PNeski]

That guy in the video is great ,but when he compares more then one tv ,and he
brings up model numbers ,you need subtitles

[ncraft]

This just might be the TV to replace my 65"LG B6 OLED when it conks out....or if it were to accidentally be pushed off the TV stand when the wife has her back turned or show up with a mysterious crack across the screen one morning.

In all seriousness, the 75" model would be the one I want. The wife and I almost walked out of Best Buy with a 75" X900F, and strongly considered the 85" X850F, three weeks ago but I wanted to see what Sony offered up on this one first.

[tommyboy81]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

Z9E was the one with more diming zones, 3D, Beautiful Central TV Stand, HDMI 2.1, 4000 Nits_______ but Sony decided instead to go the Directors Intent focus, same with the added Netflix feature, add a transducer for the screen, X-wide, and a part way HDMI 2.1 as eARC etc.

Thus the F was born.

Sorry Bob. Just being funny.

What is it. Like 5-7% of TV's today in USA are Pro-Calibrated for Directors Intent.

Me I mainly, just want more Zones. Beautiful stand. 3D

Hell. For me they can even chuck the TV Acoustics or speakers. Spend that money for more Zones.

I'm with you. I go as far as to say stop focusing on app stuff. Just focus on giving the best picture quality possible. Everything now and days does apps. You got Roku and Amazon Fire Sticks, Game systems, Bluray players, etc..

I feel like there should be a bare bones option. Example: Here's 65in A9F. For $4k you get these speakers, and apps. If you have no need for those we have A9F2 that doesn't for $3500

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Tommyboy81

Money Talk.


Today.

AVForum.

D-Nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_theKRaken
Let us know if you find anything out brotha!
They are available for pre order. SKUs were in the B.B. system but have disappeared. You can pre order at Magnolia locations. As of now $3499 for the 65Z9F and $5999 for the 65A9F. Did not ask about the 75 or 55” models

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by tommyboy81

I'm with you. I go as far as to say stop focusing on app stuff. Just focus on giving the best picture quality possible. Everything now and days does apps. You got Roku and Amazon Fire Sticks, Game systems, Bluray players, etc..

I feel like there should be a bare bones option. Example: Here's 65in A9F. For $4k you get these speakers, and apps. If you have no need for those we have A9F2 that doesn't for $3500

Nice idea, but they undoubtedly want to keep stuff bundled so they can keep revenue and profit margins as high as possible.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

From Vincient of HDTVtest.

65 Z9D has 648 dimming zones.

75 Z9D has 800 dimming zones.

Now we need the dimming zones count for the
Z9F.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Sony is on a 2-year cycle for their Flagship LCD tv.

Seems to be one-year for the OLED, maybe LG Display making enough of a panel improvement to warrant annual upgrades.

Nah, they sadly just sell more of them

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

With Sears and a few other places selling the 65 inch LG C8 at $2895 now I think the AF9 price may surprise us. Even Crutchfield has the 65inch C8 under $3000. Note the C8 won HDTVtest's shootout category for both HDR and Uniformity.

The question is will the Z9F price surprise us? And at how many dimming zones.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Good Q&A questions at end. Sony Z9F

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.p...&id=1533205298

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Sony refuses to reveal just how many independently dimmable zones the ZF9’s direct LED backlight has, or even whether it’s more than the old ZD9 -*which leads us to suspect it probably doesn’t.

Whatever the figure, though, our early demos suggest this backlight is a bit flawed, struggling to produce genuinely deep blacks in anything like close proximity to bright picture elements.

This is most clearly seen in the black bars at the top and bottom of the movie clips shown at the event, which weren’t exactly black.*And it is*also evident in other dark images, which are more grey and washed out than they should be.

https://www.whathifi.com/sony/kd-65zf9/review

Sony reads this Thread right?
These needs to be addressed before production.

[Geoff D]

Didn't Sony reduce the zone count on the 940 model year on year? Might be wrong with the specific model but I know for sure they did it on one series.

FWIW I have very little complaint with how black bars are handled on the 65" Zed, I'll never deny that the dimming in the active picture area has been badly tripped up by certain content (that sunrise ISS shot at the start of Life, ouch) but in a totally dark room I'm rarely troubled by the bars looking all funky. I might've seen some of ye olde Dolby grey bar effect during Power Rangers in DV, but that's on the DV more than the TV itself.

[tommyboy81]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

https://www.whathifi.com/sony/kd-65zf9/review

Sony reads this Thread right?
These needs to be addressed before production.

I'm hoping the people that got to see it gave them feed back like Robert and Vincent did. But Vincent did make it sound like he thinks they made have reduced some zones in favor of the X-wide to put it in the 3500 price range.

Well he didn't say it like that but thats what he was hinting at when he was saying to set our hopes too high

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Didn't Sony reduce the zone count on the 940 model year on year? Might be wrong with the specific model but I know for sure they did it on one series.

FWIW I have very little complaint with how black bars are handled on the 65" Zed, I'll never deny that the dimming in the active picture area has been badly tripped up by certain content (that sunrise ISS shot at the start of Life, ouch) but in a totally dark room I'm rarely troubled by the bars looking all funky. I might've seen some of ye olde Dolby grey bar effect during Power Rangers in DV, but that's on the DV more than the TV itself.

The 940c was great then they sandbagged the 940d lowering the zones and Making it 400 nits dimmer (and also lowered the motion too). When the 940d was unveiled at CES at year, they also wouldn't reveal the zone count etc but they claimed it was better and improved over the 940c, but it wasn't at all. There was a video of Phil Jones touting the 940d as this big improvement.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

https://www.whathifi.com/sony/kd-65zf9/review

Sony reads this Thread right?
These needs to be addressed before production.

And another not so positive observation added to the list. If the mass production model ends up this way, I won't be getting the F for sure.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Didn't Sony reduce the zone count on the 940 model year on year? Might be wrong with the specific model but I know for sure they did it on one series.

FWIW I have very little complaint with how black bars are handled on the 65" Zed, I'll never deny that the dimming in the active picture area has been badly tripped up by certain content (that sunrise ISS shot at the start of Life, ouch) but in a totally dark room I'm rarely troubled by the bars looking all funky. I might've seen some of ye olde Dolby grey bar effect during Power Rangers in DV, but that's on the DV more than the TV itself.

The 65Z9D does a great job at maintaing black levels with HDR content (I always watch in a complete dark room), not just in the picture itself but also the black bars. Though what I have read from some other users (and seen on Youtube vids), there does seem to be some level of variation.

My 75Z9D takes it up a notch as any blooming (loading screens with just a tiny icon on an all black screen) is really kept to a minimum, and lightbleed into the black bars is basically non-excistent.

Originally Posted by ray0414

The 940c was great then they sandbagged the 940d lowering the zones and Making it 400 nits dimmer (and also lowered the motion too). When the 940d was unveiled at CES at year, they also wouldn't reveal the zone count etc but they claimed it was better and improved over the 940c, but it wasn't at all. There was a video of Phil Jones touting the 940d as this big improvement.

Yep. Although I have never seen the 940C working in person, I do think the 940D was a step back (except for the ommitance of those big ass speakers ).

I blind bought it the minute it came out. Blooming during HDR content was quite apparent, it had severe issues with horizontal banding with HDR and I think it was indeed less bright (around 750 I believe on 10%, way too dim for such a "flagship model" IMO). Ofcourse the worst part of it all was when just like that, the Z came out a few months later. Luckily I was able to get rid of it and in the end, I wound up with two Z9Ds.

But this is what I am afraid of, that the Z9F, despite the X1U and its calibration options and color fidelity, will basically be a step back from the Z9D. I wish Sony would have made another high end model next to the F, a "real" follow up to the D if you will. With all bells and whistles on there (4000 nits, Backlight MD etc), prioritizing picture quality over anything else including a low(er) price. I would have been willing to pay a premium price for such a thing.

Still, I will be eagerly awaiting reviews for the F...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJR662

The 65Z9D does a great job at maintaing black levels with HDR content (I always watch in a complete dark room), not just in the picture itself but also the black bars. Though what I have read from some other users (and seen on Youtube vids), there does seem to be some level of variation.

My 75Z9D takes it up a notch as any blooming (loading screens with just a tiny icon on an all black screen) is really kept to a minimum, and lightbleed into the black bars is basically non-excistent.

Loading screens with one fixed point of light are fine, the 65" still looks astonishingly good (like in this photo wot I took from the start of one of the Barry Trotter films:

[Show spoiler]

), it's things like multiple points of lighting fading up from/down to black that result in the backlight doing the calypso, e.g. starfields.

If it hard cuts to a starfield then it looks fine, you'd never notice anything amiss, but those slow fades are very tricky indeed for the backlighting to regulate. The 75" and the 100" have even more zones and faster pixel response so I'm not surprised they look betterer, if money was absolutely no object I'd buy a 100ZD9 in a heartbeat.