HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think longtime readers know I have a soft spot in my heart for USC....

And on a personal note, especially for Roger Steinert of UCI to whom I’d used to have sophisticated conversation in regards to the dynamic range and visual acuity of the human visual system with a true vision expert…..http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/08...ry-dies-at-66/ .

Farwell my friend . You leave a legacy down there in Irvine.
Yet another reminder to me to live every day like it’s your last and not take life and good health (including sight) for granted, Roger didn’t, his courageous personal struggle was public because Roger remained professionally active until several weeks before his passing.

Anyway, moving on…..

[Penton-Man]

Follow-up to past discussion with Geoff…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...l#post13675446

precipitated by this post (last paragraph- https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...l#post13672822) in which I hinted to readers what was to come before the official announcement at Cine Gear, without revealing too much.

Here is an easy to comprehend article by a savvy journalist published after the event as to the significance of the next generation high end Sony camera system….http://www.fdtimes.com/2017/06/08/so...m-cine-camera/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

mucho mas is planned

http://www.displaysummit.com/qled-an...mmit/speaking/

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

http://www.displaysummit.com/qled-an...mmit/speaking/

Looks like they're confident about HDR10+ being added to the UHD disc specs pretty soon then, since they'll be discussing UHD BD mastering and studio adoption. Also, the use of the format in ATSC 3.0 and broadcast TV is intriguing.

Would be great if they also announce an update to their 2016/2017 TVs to allow them to support dynamic HDR over HDMI, since the Technical Director of HDMI LA said it would be possible.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Follow-up to past discussion with Geoff…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...l#post13675446

precipitated by this post (last paragraph- https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...l#post13672822) in which I hinted to readers what was to come before the official announcement at Cine Gear, without revealing too much.

Here is an easy to comprehend article by a savvy journalist published after the event as to the significance of the next generation high end Sony camera system….http://www.fdtimes.com/2017/06/08/so...m-cine-camera/

'Easy to understand' is what I needs, when you said 'full frame' I thought ye was talking about 4/35, not the 8-perf-esque sensor that this has. No wonder peoples are getting excite about it.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Looks like they're confident about HDR10+ being added to the UHD disc specs pretty soon then, since they'll be discussing UHD BD mastering and studio adoption. Also, the use of the format in ATSC 3.0 and broadcast TV is intriguing.

Would be great if they also announce an update to their 2016/2017 TVs to allow them to support dynamic HDR over HDMI, since the Technical Director of HDMI LA said it would be possible.

"Sponsored by Samsung" - well...


At one point they were banging the drum for DTS:X to be an audio standard for ATSC 3.0 and look what happened.

[Penton-Man]

Heads-up comparison cowboys with good memories as to visual detail and what it means (albeit, on a whole different scale, some dedicated folks parlay this complex skill set into helping others - https://www.ispot.tv/ad/A4Ac/hospita...unquantifiable, how's dee foot and ankle doing these days Geoff? ),

see if you can identify the differences from the upcoming theatrical iteration of Resident Evil: Vendetta…. https://www.fathomevents.com/events/...-evil-vendetta

as compared to the HDR (DV - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Resid...lu-ray/178888/) iteration when the disc comes out.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ Conversely, for those Dolby enthusiasts among you, just last week Dolby was at a summit in HLG territory (the UK) promoting the value of dynamic metadata with a supplemental teaser as to its usefulness also for live content….

“Preserves more contrast in dark and bright images”

So Samsung in their HDR10+ demo, demonstrated more detail in dark scenes.

HDR10+=dynamic metadata.
Dolby Vision=dynamic metadata.

I’m going to ride the dynamic horse to the improvement for even high nit displays finish line.

It’s got to be faster than the static horse, right?

[Geoff D]

But it also says that it minimises mapping if the display meets the target range of the image, so at any given moment the horse could be galloping along OR be safely tucked in its paddock nibbling at some hay.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Heads-up comparison cowboys with good memories as to visual detail and what it means (albeit, on a whole different scale, some dedicated folks parlay this complex skill set into helping others - https://www.ispot.tv/ad/A4Ac/hospita...unquantifiable, how's dee foot and ankle doing these days Geoff? ),

see if you can identify the differences from the upcoming theatrical iteration of Resident Evil: Vendetta…. https://www.fathomevents.com/events/...-evil-vendetta

as compared to the HDR (DV - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Resid...lu-ray/178888/) iteration when the disc comes out.

It's fine, it reminds me every day of the hardware that's in there but I wasn't exactly a nimble mover pre-break so no major lifestyle adjustments have been required.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's fine....

Good to hear.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

Sorry, I am in Maui, Ha, for the time being.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well you would have seen firsthand HDR + HFR (100 fps) in person from this project - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post13425318 , albeit from the front rather than the riders’ backsides.

Anyway, hope you’re having fun in a locale with such fabulous natural beauty . The Hawaiian islands have a special place in my (our) hearts as I met my wife there - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ea#post9159541 and we’ve been back several times since. As to the Hokulea ^, as mentioned before, the movie Moana has a basis in that sort of navigation without instruments skill set …. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...a#post12926270

As to Maui, the Makena State Park beaches were a favorite of ours when there.

Dan, hope you, or one of other forum members living in Hawaii got over to Ala Wai Harbor/Magic Island on Oahu yesterday to celebrate the newest, Hokule’a 2017 homecoming……the tradition continues
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/...s-970230851775

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Looks like they're confident about HDR10+ being added to the UHD disc specs pretty soon then, since they'll be discussing UHD BD mastering and studio adoption. Also, the use of the format in ATSC 3.0 and broadcast TV is intriguing.

I am curious to see if HDR10+ can make it into ATSC 3.0 since Dolby has a lot of connections in the US broadcast industry. So far the only amendments that have been voted on are to add full range video, ICtCp, and Dolby dynamic metadata. Also any broadcasters that want to avoid metadata can use HLG.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

"Sponsored by Samsung" - well...

Confirmed speakers coming from:

AV TOP
ColorFront
Display Supply Chain Consultants
EMD/Merck
GDC Technology USA
Insight Media
MKPE Consulting
Nanoco
Portrait Displays
Samsung Advanced Research Institute
Samsung Electronics Corporation
Samsung Electronics America
Samsung Research America
Tarkus Imaging
TV Logic
University of Central Florida

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

At one point they were banging the drum

Peter, it’s been awhile since FIFA World Cup 2014 in Rio and I figure you becoming a big soccer fan and all , you might miss the samba beat. Would you consider attending if the program included the L.A. Samba Dancers?....

We are The L.A. Samba Dancers! - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

I'll get to finishing out the post at the top of the page later, as papa's got gifts to open.
Life is good.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I'll get to finishing out the post at the top of the page later, as papa's got gifts to open.
Life is good.

I’ll do that ^ (bolded) during a lunch break, or after work, first though, to keep folks occupied on those long holiday flights home (sometimes this requires a basic understanding of math)….
http://www.filmjournal.com/fj-magazi...=current-issue

[puddy77]

For anyone near London, Televisual is holding a free HDR event in a couple weeks: http://www.televisualcreative.com/hdr-overview/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....So, a little local news from the ETC…
http://www.etcentric.org/spencer-ste...dership-award/

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....with regards to the “Panelists described the challenges of handling thousands of VFX shots from multiple cameras with differing resolutions, color spaces and formats” <- there not being the time nor occasion to go into more detail as to the enabling technology of ACES, of which perhaps I can offer more insights later on here.

To the bolded ^, given I’ve been talking the value of ACES with words and motivational cartoons

for years now, for example

rather than again doing a lot of typing, this time with regards to VFX, for further explanation, I’ll just link with a timestamp to an animated ‘image crafter’…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUOo...sktop#t=45m11s
followed by Bobby who henceforth I think will be in Josh Pines’s doghouse.

Also, since the panelists couldn’t talk about it, a past example of a motion picture having an ACES workflow, namely, Life…..
http://www.digitalcinemareport.com/a...r#.WUb9LOvyu1s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by puddy77

...London

Some folks love Barcelona too……

“Spider-Man: Homecoming�, “Blade Runner 2049� & “Jumanji: Welcome To The Jungle� Cine Europe 2017 - YouTube

^ note all coming with Dolby Vision theatrical grades.

[Tns49]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Interesting. Samsung is selling an ATSC 3.0 converter in South Korea: http://www.samsung.com/sec/tv-access...-0813-11000279

Apparently LG are doing the same.

Would be great to see this coming to North America soon.

ATSC 3.0 launched in Korea using preliminary standards so its not surprising. Also LG started releasing TV's with atsc 3.0 tuners builtin.

Once the standard is complete I would hope that the US and other countries would start to see such devices or even dongles.