List of UHDs that contain Dolby Vision

[BozQ]

Just had a closer look at the POTC5 press statement, and realized it's Dolby Vision on digital.

*Facepalm*
I think at this rate, it's almost pointless for me to consider investing in a Dolby Vision TV and player when the time comes. Since Dolby Vision on digital platforms is out of my reach, there simply isn't enough content to warrant such expensive purchases.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by jibucha

'seems' we are in agreement :: no disc - no purchase/watching

picture quality (best possible) is what matters :: if not so, then why bother at all?

perhaps we should all simply stream to our phones and call it a day?

Actually, I'm not buying this out of principal. HDR10 looks great, just not as good as Dolby Vision, but it is the fact that Disney is using it to trap us in anti-consumer practices that kills my purchase, at least until I can buy it second-hand, so that Disney gets none of my money and I still own it legally.

[Lensman]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Me neither. But at least with a physical purchase in many cases with new releases they include the digital version as well. Will be interesting to see if Disney code that comes with the UHD is for UHD or just 1080p.

And that digital version quickly times out. Disgusting.

[afr52]

Guess I won't be in any hurry to buy the Oppo this year after all, if the titles I want to see in Dolby Vision aren't being released in that format any time soon. Maybe next year Sony will put out a 4K player with DV capability and I can save some more money by not buying titles with HDR 10 new but wait a couple months and buy used. Guess they aren't in any hurry to grow this format after all. In a couple years we will be doing this all over again for 8K and tvs with 12 bit panels.

[srscokehabit]

praying the new disney releases will be in dolby vision i.e. Guardians and Spider-man and Thor

[srscokehabit]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

You sound a little salty. You mad, bro?

Clearly you've never seen Dolby Vision.

[srscokehabit]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

I thought there were Dolby Vision titles up on Amazon Prime - I'm not seeing them (??)

do you have a Dolby Vision TV?

After Earth (Sony Pictures)
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Sony Pictures)
Bosch Season 2 (Amazon Originals)
Chappie (Sony Pictures)
Elysium (Sony Pictures)
Fury (Sony Pictures)
Hancock (Sony Pictures)
Men in Black 3 (Sony Pictures)
Pineapple Express (Sony Pictures)
Salt (Sony Pictures)
The Smurfs 2 (Sony Pictures)

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by srscokehabit

do you have a Dolby Vision TV?

After Earth (Sony Pictures)
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Sony Pictures)
Bosch Season 2 (Amazon Originals)
Chappie (Sony Pictures)
Elysium (Sony Pictures)
Fury (Sony Pictures)
Hancock (Sony Pictures)
Men in Black 3 (Sony Pictures)
Pineapple Express (Sony Pictures)
Salt (Sony Pictures)
The Smurfs 2 (Sony Pictures)

Yes, yes I do

[miccheck]

I have been on this forum on quite some time, and read a lot of info.
I have my few words to share about that HDR vs DV war going on.
I've seen quite a lot of HDR and DV content.
And anyone saying that DV is not far superior is full of shit or ignorant.
Unfortunately, I can not really compare with the same content.
But anything I have seen that is DV is FAAAAR superior than any HDR content I have seen!
It is just AMAZING how perfect the picture is for DV content, it is like perfect colors , contrast, etc..
Dont get me wrong HDR is very good... but Dolby Vision is just the real thing!
I like the DV content on Netflix better than HDR disks.. my only issue is the loss of details because it is still streaming low bitrate content.
But content like Okja, Girl boss, Marco Polo and now Friends from College is really really good
I have an Oled LG C6 screen by the way
I really hope DV starts to be standard for all the uhd new releases

[miccheck]

I just wish Amazon prime and VUDU would be accessible for people outside of the US!!!
That is really unfair!!!!!

[vinnie97]

If GOTG is intentionally neutered, I'll just buy the 3D disc separately from Ebay. I'm with those not interested otherwise. HDR10 and 2016 LG OLED is a disappointing combination unless you're in the position to get the set properly calibrated (unfortunately, not all of us live in metro areas where traveling pros frequent). As stated above, the collaboration between LG/D/Dolby plus the dynamic metadata really makes for a superior picture OOTB.

[Lensman]

This is a hugely depressing thread. My entire spare income for the last two years has been ploughed into creating the best setup for UHD blu-ray playback that I could achieve. That was predicated on the studios fulfilling their promise to deliver the best possible home video experience. We certainly deserve that considering the ridiculously inflated price of the discs and equipment! Dolby Vision was part of that promise, why else would TV, A/V amp and player manufacturers support it. Hell, OPPO have made it their USP with UHD players! And now we're in the position of 3, maybe 4 discs with DV and major studios refusing to use it?! No Bladerunner in DV?! The greed of these people has no limit but is combined with no common sense because they're alienating a massive potential income stream!!! Morons!
Today is my first day to use my new OPPO USP-205 to play movies and entertain myself and my friend. I was greatly looking forward to playing 'Despicable Me' as the first example of how great DV will be but now it will just leave a sour taste in my mouth and the positive experience that I've invested in is ruined. Ironically my friend who will be watching with me is an accountant and this is, of course, ALL THEIR FAULT!

[Lion]

Agree with above, but I wonder if because the HDR grading process takes so long and the Dolby Vision tools haven't been around that long, that the process started before DV was fully embedded in the studio. Me not being in the know this could be complete rubbish, just my speculation...

I think we should be thankful for small mercies.. not long ago we were yearning for Disney just to produce a 4K disc!

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Lensman

This is a hugely depressing thread. My entire spare income for the last two years has been ploughed into creating the best setup for UHD blu-ray playback that I could achieve. That was predicated on the studios fulfilling their promise to deliver the best possible home video experience. We certainly deserve that considering the ridiculously inflated price of the discs and equipment! Dolby Vision was part of that promise, why else would TV, A/V amp and player manufacturers support it. Hell, OPPO have made it their USP with UHD players! And now we're in the position of 3, maybe 4 discs with DV and major studios refusing to use it?! No Bladerunner in DV?! The greed of these people has no limit but is combined with no common sense because they're alienating a massive potential income stream!!! Morons!
Today is my first day to use my new OPPO USP-205 to play movies and entertain myself and my friend. I was greatly looking forward to playing 'Despicable Me' as the first example of how great DV will be but now it will just leave a sour taste in my mouth and the positive experience that I've invested in is ruined. Ironically my friend who will be watching with me is an accountant and this is, of course, ALL THEIR FAULT!

I feel your pain my friend.
Unfortunately, I don't see this situation improving. Unless we start writing to Dolby?

I am disappointed too. From where I am, there is no Dolby Cinema. And no digital streaming services that support Dolby Vision. So having a Dolby Vision TV, Dolby Atmos speakers, player and discs was my only way to enjoy this format.

But there appears to be little incentives for studios to release Blu-rays in Dolby Vision, and I haven't really understood why. There is much for me to learn.

[elwaylite]

I was a DV skeptic at first, and granted it is for sure slow release, but it is coming together. I checked out Power Rangers DV on my E6 with a 203, and it looks nice. Less WOW than HDR10, but still pop and maybe looks more natural than HDR10. I think it is less WOW because the display is not in super nova mode like it is for HDR10.

Looking at things now, we are getting there. The coolest thing about DV to me so far, as I learn about the display side of it, is how good it looks stock. LG is using factory panel averages to feed the mapping engine data, which makes much better than stock modes of the old days. And now, with 2017 LG's and Sonys(I assume when they get it) having the ability to have the mapping engine updated with your actual panel data via Calman (see Dolby Vision pro calibration), we are living in good times for at home reference movie watching.

Throw in that the 2017 LG and Sony displays are now taking static HDR10 and making it dynamic with in house processes (that people are really high on), I'm excited. I'm grabbing a 2017 soon so I can get on this DV calibration train, and use the dynamic HDR10 mode. Makes you wonder if LG or Sony will even deal with HDR10+ seeing as they have their own version, and will support Dolby Vision.

[HeatEquation]

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

Pound for pound the best thread on this entire forum.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Lion

....Dolby Vision tools haven't been around that long, that the process started before DV was fully embedded in the studio.

Your comment reminds me of discussion(s) I had back in the day when Blu-ray first launched (not Ultra HD Blu-ray, but Blu-ray) with a former President of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. I’ve redacted portions of the email to protect the anonymity of myself and others cc-ed as well as other confidential information.




Point being, no matter how superior something may or may not be, be it codecs, encoders, color grading workflows, etc. sometimes the implementation of such things is not yet baked. Another example is that
ACES has been used with the Dolby Vision projector and does support it. But, in Version1.0.3, there is currently no officially released ODT for P3D65 ST2084 108nits, which is why Blackmagic has not built it in to Resolve.

Implemenation-wise, workflows that have used ACES with the experimental Dolby Vision ODT have baked the CTL into a LUT for insertion into Resolve.

[jibucha]

i, for one, could not possibly agree with you more
- thank you -

Originally Posted by Lensman

This is a hugely depressing thread. My entire spare income for the last two years has been ploughed into creating the best setup for UHD blu-ray playback that I could achieve. That was predicated on the studios fulfilling their promise to deliver the best possible home video experience. We certainly deserve that considering the ridiculously inflated price of the discs and equipment! Dolby Vision was part of that promise, why else would TV, A/V amp and player manufacturers support it. Hell, OPPO have made it their USP with UHD players! And now we're in the position of 3, maybe 4 discs with DV and major studios refusing to use it?! No Bladerunner in DV?! The greed of these people has no limit but is combined with no common sense because they're alienating a massive potential income stream!!! Morons!
Today is my first day to use my new OPPO USP-205 to play movies and entertain myself and my friend. I was greatly looking forward to playing 'Despicable Me' as the first example of how great DV will be but now it will just leave a sour taste in my mouth and the positive experience that I've invested in is ruined. Ironically my friend who will be watching with me is an accountant and this is, of course, ALL THEIR FAULT!

[jibucha]

fine :: please inform me as to how it will improve without support? :: furthermore, how is it that some are trying/doing while others are simply 'not up to it?' :: time frame? - - ten years - twenty years - many supporters will be long gone to this planet by then
- - please - -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Your comment reminds me of discussion(s) I had back in the day when Blu-ray first launched (not Ultra HD Blu-ray, but Blu-ray) with a former President of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. I’ve redacted portions of the email to protect the anonymity of myself and others cc-ed as well as other confidential information.




Point being, no matter how superior something may or may not be, be it codecs, encoders, color grading workflows, etc. sometimes the implementation of such things is not yet baked. Another example is that
ACES has been used with the Dolby Vision projector and does support it. But, in Version1.0.3, there is currently no officially released ODT for P3D65 ST2084 108nits, which is why Blackmagic has not built it in to Resolve.

Implemenation-wise, workflows that have used ACES with the experimental Dolby Vision ODT have baked the CTL into a LUT for insertion into Resolve.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by jibucha

fine :: please inform me as to how it will improve without support? :: furthermore, how is it that some are trying/doing while others are simply 'not up to it?' :: time frame? - - ten years - twenty years - many supporters will be long gone to this planet by then
- - please - -

My conclusion is not original. It has been stated different ways, by a few posters, especially Geoff D.

The quotes are by Blu-ray.com insider 2themax . If you can’t trust him, who can you trust?

Here is the timeline as I see it.

First: Sometime in late 2016, early 2017 Disney/Gunn run the tests and find Dolby Vision still needs work to meet their expectations. Choice is made to use HDR10.

Originally Posted by 2themax

Let me put it this way. Let’s say you had 2 encoders and A did DV and B did not but A also had some issues. B, however, didn’t have those isssues and overall created a better encode. So the the choice is between a DV encode that isn’t representing the master to the fullest or an HDR10 encode that nails it. What would you choose? I think Disney made the right choice. And…..

Second, Dolby Vision improves encoder: This article was published 7/06/2017 6:15 PM: Pixelogic-Dolby Collaboration Yields End-to-End Compression and Authoring Pipeline for Dolby Vision Close Collaboration Between Pixelogic and Dolby Enables Industry First

http://www.multichannel.com/prfeed/p...-vision/413849

“As a part of the collaboration with Dolby, Pixelogic developed a range of Dolby Vision production tools as well as a new, end-to-end compression and authoring pipeline tailored and optimized for Dolby Vision.

Our collaboration with Pixelogic supports Dolby’s expansion of Dolby Vision content,” said Ron Geller, Vice President, World Wide Content Relations, Dolby Laboratories. “This will enable Dolby Vision to scale faster to meet the growing demand for Dolby Vision Ultra HD Blu-ray discs

Working with Dolby’s engineers, the Pixelogic team enhanced their proprietary Blu-ray authoring platform Blu-print™ with Dolby Vision capabilities and integrated tools to process and verify the Dolby Vision enhancement layer in conjunction with Pixelogic’s High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC) encoding technology.”

Originally Posted by 2themax

Tools from Scenarist and Ateme are now DV ready so the floodgates will open now that more C&A facilities have access to the tools.

Originally Posted by 2themax

… choice. And for arguments sake, encoder B will eventually be DV compatible so we’ll have our cake and eat it too in the future.

Conclusion: Let’s put our torches and pitchforks away for now. If we don’t have an announcement of Disney Dolby Vision 4k disks support by the end of this year, then I will take up my pitchfork with you guys. I am disappointed also, but optimistic.