Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[slick1ru2]

While mini-vans may have the largest number, cars and trucks have head rest tvs available as well as center console and dash models. There is also the portable market people buy for kids in the back seat as well as the ones in a bag that slip over the head rest. If there wasn't a market, they wouldn't make them. Our suburban middle class neighborhood with couples with kids has many vehicles with DVD players or the kids have them. And of course many of the parents have portable ones via their laptops. That's what we used with our daughter on vacation.

[slick1ru2]

I actually think 4K is hurting Blu-ray. The average consumer considering going to BD from DVD now has 4k hurled in his face. It comes across as a marketing gimmick to sell more product. If they are happy with SD, I don't see them moving to HD especially with new formats being touted as replacements for relatively new BD.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I actually think 4K is hurting Blu-ray. The average consumer considering going to BD from DVD now has 4k hurled in his face. It comes across as a marketing gimmick to sell more product. If they are happy with SD, I don't see them moving to HD especially with new formats being touted as replacements for relatively new BD.

So, a 4k format that isn't even released yet is hurting bluray? Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So, a 4k format that isn't even released yet is hurting bluray? Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

4K TVs are out. Anyone researching 4k knows that the only physical media talk is about 4k BD. I don't know if you recall but 1080i TVs came out years before Blu-ray. Even then there was controversy over 720p vs 1080i. Then there were 1080p TVs. Then there was HD-DVD vs Blu-ray So the question comes to mind, I can imagine, to the average consumer, is 4k a fad or a replacement for BD. If they conclude its a replacement, then it would be prudent to wait for 4K media. Hence, hurting BD.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

4K TVs are out. Anyone researching 4k knows that the only physical media talk is about 4k BD. I don't know if you recall but 1080i TVs came out years before Blu-ray. Even then there was controversy over 720p vs 1080i. Then there was HD-DVD vs Blu-ray So the question comes to mind, I can imagine, to the average consumer, is 4k a fad or a replacement for BD. If they conclude its a replacement, then it would be prudent to wait for 4K media. Hence, hurting BD.

In all honesty, outside of this forum, I don't know anyone that knows about, let alone talks about, 4K...
If a person starts to shop around and research TVs today, then they may. But they'll probably assume blu-ray will work fine with it... The way many are fine with DVD unconverted on their 1080p set

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

In all honesty, outside of this forum, I don't know anyone that knows about, let alone talks about, 4K...
If a person starts to shop around and research TVs today, then they may. But they'll probably assume blu-ray will work fine with it... The way many are fine with DVD unconverted on their 1080p set

I am talking buying content. Any research, like reading this forum, some are going to think that 4k is the going to be the next coming of color TVs. Why invest in the inferior BD when 4k is coming? Hence, I think to some extent, BD is being hurt by the upcoming 4k. Those considering HD may wait. DVD outsells BD 3 to one. Offering another HD format, IMO, won't help BD sales/conversion. Just my opinion.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I am talking buying content. Any research, like reading this forum, some are going to think that 4k is the going to be the next coming of color TVs. Why invest in the inferior BD when 4k is coming? Hence, I think to some extent, BD is being hurt by the upcoming 4k. Those considering HD may wait. DVD outsells BD 3 to one. Offering another HD format, IMO, won't help BD sales/conversion. Just my opinion.

Maybe then DVD sales wouldn't outsell anymore.. Because would DVD look remarkably worse on a 4k set?

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Maybe then DVD sales wouldn't outsell anymore.. Because would DVD look remarkably worse on a 4k set?

Probably. Actually, that makes me wonder what a Blu-ray looks like on a 4k set. They have to use line multipliers to make up for the lack of content, just like a DVD on a 1080p set, right?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Maybe then DVD sales wouldn't outsell anymore.. Because would DVD look remarkably worse on a 4k set?

Yes, but that theory would not enable Slick to have a (in my opinion) jolly good bluray bashing.

[tilallr1]

Since DVD's pretty much are priced the same as Blu-rays (With DVD, DC and sometimes 3D) it's hard to fathom anyone is still buying DVD's to save a few bucks. Honestly, DVD's right now are ripoffs. They should just scrap DVD only releases altogether, and simply sell them with the blu-ray's as a bonus, like the DC. When 4K comes along, we drop the DVD and include the Blu-ray as a bonus disc, for people who haven't upgraded their TV or player. In fact I wish they did this from the onset.

The only reason why the studios haven't scrapped DVD only releases is because they are still making a ton of money from people buying them. In fact I am pretty certain the profit on those releases per sale are higher. So it will only go away when the money does.

Although, I am pretty sure when DVD only releases are no longer profitable, they will stop including them in blu-ray packages, as well as can the whole format.

My guess is that this won't happen until everyone ... and I mean the vast majority of people out there have switched over to blu-ray. Which I am sad to say hasn't happened yet.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Since DVD's pretty much are priced the same as Blu-rays (With DVD, DC and sometimes 3D) it's hard to fathom anyone is still buying DVD's to save a few bucks. Honestly, DVD's right now are ripoffs. They should just scrap DVD only releases altogether, and simply sell them with the blu-ray's as a bonus, like the DC. When 4K comes along, we drop the DVD and include the Blu-ray as a bonus disc, for people who haven't upgraded their TV or player. In fact I wish they did this from the onset.

The only reason why the studios haven't scrapped DVD only releases is because they are still making a ton of money from people buying them. In fact I am pretty certain the profit on those releases per sale are higher. So it will only go away when the money does.

Although, I am pretty sure when DVD only releases are no longer profitable, they will stop including them in blu-ray packages, as well as can the whole format.

My guess is that this won't happen until everyone ... and I mean the vast majority of people out there have switched over to blu-ray. Which I am sad to say hasn't happened yet.

And it probably won't because all I see is people shopping at Walmart. That's the majority of the middle and lower class. Shopping at Walmart. "Oh, look at that! It's iRobot on DVD for $5.99. Let's get it!"

[Nick The Slick]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

And it probably won't because all I see is people shopping at Walmart. That's the majority of the middle and lower class. Shopping at Walmart. "Oh, look at that! It's iRobot on DVD for $5.99. Let's get it!"

That's kind of a silly statement. I shop at Wal-Mart and have bought quite a bit of my Blu collection from there. I get what you're saying and realize I'm more of an exception, but just saying...

[Scarface32]

Here are two examples why DVDs shouldn't be included. Both of these sets have 4 BDs and 4 DVDs. For a total of 8 discs each, that's a lot of extra space wasted!

[slick1ru2]

Another reason you don't see the penetration of BD like DVD did was because for Bluray you had to buy a new TV along with a new player.You didnt need to do that going from VHS to DVD. And for people with multiple TVs you can bet they either didn't go that route or only upgraded one or some, not all sets/DVD players (like I did). So some have a mixture of BD and DVD, those with multiple TVs. A lot of the lingering of DVD is pure and simple economics. Those old TVs last decades. I'm on my 3rd HDTV that is our main display. So maybe in the coming years as those old CRT sets die out, there may be a surge in BD player and disc sales.

[iank]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Since DVD's pretty much are priced the same as Blu-rays (With DVD, DC and sometimes 3D) it's hard to fathom anyone is still buying DVD's to save a few bucks.

It really isn't that hard. I only started a few months ago because I had to buy a new HD TV after my 18 year old finally died. That old TV could only play Blu-rays in black and white, making it pointless to buy them since I wasn't going to pay $600 for a new TV solely for the sake of it. I dare say lots of people are in the same spot - when their existing tech goes belly-up, they'll upgrade... but not until.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by iank

It really isn't that hard. I only started a few months ago because I had to buy a new HD TV after my 18 year old finally died. That old TV could only play Blu-rays in black and white, making it pointless to buy them since I wasn't going to pay $600 for a new TV solely for the sake of it. I dare say lots of people are in the same spot - when their existing tech goes belly-up, they'll upgrade... but not until.

This is exactly why Blurays are being outsold by DVDs. Might not be that situation without the worldwide financial crash in 2007 or at least so much of a difference. And CRT TVs are tanks also doesn't help.

I hope my Panasonic Plasma lasts 18 years!

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Another reason you don't see the penetration of BD like DVD did was because for Bluray you had to buy a new TV along with a new player.You didnt need to do that going from VHS to DVD. And for people with multiple TVs you can bet they either didn't go that route or only upgraded one or some, not all sets/DVD players (like I did). So some have a mixture of BD and DVD, those with multiple TVs. A lot of the lingering of DVD is pure and simple economics. Those old TVs last decades. I'm on my 3rd HDTV that is our main display. So maybe in the coming years as those old CRT sets die out, there may be a surge in BD player and disc sales.

No you don't, only if you want the best possible picture. You can connect a Blu-ray Disc Player to an old CRT that only has composite connections.

Most BD Players have connections for composite, component, and HDMI

[Penton-Man]

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[cricepng]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

No you don't, only if you want the best possible picture. You can connect a Blu-ray Disc Player to an old CRT that only has composite connections.

Most BD Players have connections for composite, component, and HDMI

Until this year. Now newer players are only coming with HDMI.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by cricepng

Until this year. Now newer players are only coming with HDMI.

Well that's kind of a shame. One of my players is connected to two TVs. One via HDMI (main TV) and the second via component to a smaller TV on my computer desk. So when using the computer, I can still watch the movie without having to turn my neck.

If newer models only have HDMI, it would really put a cramp in my style