Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by octagon

Oh, you didn't just read it on the interwebs? Somebody said it in a movie too?

Well then it must be true.

These kids today must have shorter attention spans.

Go to PBS.org and watch the 2010 Frontline episode called Digital Nation. Kids multitask today. And they think they are great at it, but studies show they suck at it. And they were looking at students at MIT and Stanford in studies. These kids will sit in class checking her emails watching YouTube wall during a lecture on physics. The brain isn't wired to multitask so it's no surprise it doesn't handle it well. But that episode touched on many aspects of the digital revolution and possible implications for the future. One was that technology separates us. Years ago people went to the Theater to watch movies. Then later they had TVs in their living room. Technology now has people watching movies on the iPod. So the implication was that we all surf the net together but alone or alone together. But it was a really interesting episode even though it's four years old. It people on both side of the argument about the good and the bad things and debating what is good and what is bad.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Did you read the article?

Yes, if you mean the New Yorker one. How you came to your conclusions from it are a mystery to me. It seems to mainly see it's influence in advertising and promotion not the wholesale replacement of movies with 6 second vines.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I am not trying to ruin the discussion here ~ Just saying that not a sole on this earth knows how things will be in a year or 5 years or longer

Anthony P would disagree with you. He seems to think that he knows everything.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So you don't watch youtube?
Use Twitter?
Use facebook?
Use Vine?

I'm in my mid 30s and I use Facebook and watching things on Youtube (and similar sites) from time to time. These things have not replaced me watcing movies or regular TV. They have not taken away my interest in having a big television. They have not taken away my interest in going to see movies at the theater or buying the on Blu-Ray.


I also have a much younger half sister who is only 19. She and her friends use Facebook, Youtube, etc, as well. Though I think in her specific case, she probably uses Facebook less than I do (though still uses other sites and such). They still watch movies on larger TV screens, etc.

She still lives with our mom and her dad (my step-dad). They have a decent sized TV in the basement, which she uses frequently. She also has a TV in her room. She and her friends still watch movies, TV shows, etc. She is actually a huge fan of the TV series Friends, and she had never seen it during it's original run (she was only about 6 years old when it ended). Several family members pitched in and got her all of the season sets a few years ago. She has "binge watched" them several times, even before "binge watching" was a commonly used term.

While younger generations may be a bit more prone to download something or watch it on netflix instead of buy it on a disc, the point still remains (despite my opposition to downloads). And people streaming netflix aren't just doing so on a computer, tablet, or smart phone. They can also do so on their TV through a game console, Smart TV features, etc.

They go see the Marvel movies and such, and of course, being that they are of the target market and generation, they are into the Twilight movies and so forth. They still enjoy short form video. Heck, even I enjoy it to a point. She will show me funny videos and things sometimes, and despite our age difference, we laugh at a lot of the same stuff.

We aren't into all of the same stuff, and there is some degree of a generational gap in our interests (or just differences in interests that have nothing to do with the age difference), but there is a lot in common as well. It's not as far different as you seem to think it is.

Granted, this is all anecdotal on my part, and by no means a scientific study, but the point remains none the less. While there are diffrences from one generation to another, those differences aren't always as dramatic as they are often perceived to be.

TVs aren't going away. And as previously stated, that statistic about the UK about the amount of people who have a TV only makes sense if the number not only didn't grow, but also shrank.... meaning that a lot of people went out of their way to get rid of TVs that they already had (whether they were working or not) and didn't replace them. Somehow I find it hard to believe that to be the case. A lack of growth, sure.... but complete elimination in some cases... not so much.

[mredman]

Yeah i to can not see why someone should worry about this. There just are more mediums to watch your stuff on now does not mean a Group of people or family from now on are gonna huddle over a phone or small screen to watch Avengers. Noway thats happening. A Group of people or family are gonna watch on a big tv or screen with bowls of popcorn and other snacks.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Yes, if you mean the New Yorker one. How you came to your conclusions from it are a mystery to me. It seems to mainly see it's influence in advertising and promotion not the wholesale replacement of movies with 6 second vines.

The guy who was a blogger (shane Dawson was it)stated his fear of media becoming brief short form vine style clips in future.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The guy who was a blogger (shane Dawson was it)stated his fear of media becoming brief short form vine style clips in future.

A blogger can be wrong too. Anyone who says they can predict the future is to be taken with a pinch of sale (I bought a new album on cassette tape just before Xmas, I never thought that would happen again) but the idea that the human race is going to abandon a narrative form in its entirety is not realistic at all, especially when that narrative form is a multi-billion dollar industry.

The kids loving Frozen now, the 5-8 year olds are, in time, going to want to give their kids that same experience. There's really nothing to worry about.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

I believe kids are caught up in short form videos and quick pleasure and instant gratification... etc. But the key word is KIDS.
I was a kid once...and I liked playing a lil bit of Atari Boxing, then Haunted House, then Asteroids... etc But I grew up. Now I'd rather sit and enjoy a game. Same with food. When I was a kid, I'd rather play wiffle ball while eating maybe half a hot dog in thirty seconds. But now, I enjoy sitting down with friends, talking, and eating a rib eye steak and three course meal for 90 minutes. See, we grow up.

exactly

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by OptimusL

He assumes everyone under 25 is like that, not just kids.

but people under 25 are just kids

http://hrweb.mit.edu/worklife/youngadult/brain.html

According to recent findings, the human brain does not reach full maturity until at least the mid-20s. (See J. Giedd in References.) The specific changes that follow young adulthood are not yet well studied, but it is known that they involve increased myelination and continued adding and pruning of neurons

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892678/

Longitudinal neuroimaging studies demonstrate that the adolescent brain continues to mature well into the 20s. This has prompted intense interest in linking neuromaturation to maturity of judgment. ...The frontal lobes, home to key components of the neural circuitry underlying “executive functions” such as planning, working memory, and impulse control, are among the last areas of the brain to mature; they may not be fully developed until halfway through the third decade of life [2].

Now everyone matures a bit differently but until someone is well into their 30's it does not mean much because what they value will change with time as their brain matures. Evolution made us that way. As little kids we needed to stay close to the home so that we would not be eaten by a predator or trampled by a mammoth. In adolescence we to be "stupid"( planning, working memory and impulse control is not there) because that makes us live more dangerously and attract a mate ("I might have almost died but I killed that mammoth that trampled camp the other day and we will have a lot of meat, I am the perfect mate") and then later when he was older he needed planning, impulse control and working memory because it is no longer about finding a mate but making sure you are still around to provide food and protection for the family ("I almost got trampled by the mammoth trying to kill it " which was an acceptable risk becomes "if I would have died who would take care of my wife and kids")


what does this have to do with the conversation?

simple, the 20 something that watches 20 minutes of a film on his phone in the bus might be going with that decision because his impulse control ("I am bored and I really want to watch the film so I will do it now") has not matured enough, his working memory ("it sucks watching a film 20 minutes at a time because 8 h later on the way home I would have forgotten half the stuff I saw on my way to school/work") isn't there but it might be in a decade and neither is planning ("what do you mean that if I wait until tonight I can watch it in a 2h block on the TV") is not there yet.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You re thinking the present rather than the future.

no he is thinking all of time. There will always be kids and there will always be adults. There will always be time wasters and there will always be planned "relaxation". You decided that because a kid watches a short youtube clip that it is all that it will be in the future. But when I and (guess he) were younger there was Tom and Jerry, Looney tunes, rocky and Bullwinkle, sesame street..... and we watched them and they were full of short clips, that does not mean that now all we want are short clips.

Yes today is a bit different then when we were young and yes things do change with tech, but you are looking at child like behaviour and turning it into a rule for the future and human nature does not so it does not make sense to do so.

For example. Look at kids of the "Atari" generation. Video games were new and today I still play video games. And to the older generation it looks odd, but they did the same thing except that it was not VG that they brought from their youth but cards and checkers and backgammon... The tech changed but not human behaviour (old or young we all need some play in our lives). But kid play (matchbox cars, tinker toys and SW action figures.....) was let go with growing up.

[murphywmm]

Seeing people pay $20+ for a new release movie on DVD reminds me of when I worked in a department store circa 2003-2004 and people would still come in to buy new release movies on VHS (while the format was in its death throes).

[eiknarf]

Well this is odd; there's a thread now about just the opposite of this. A group wishing more, if not all, blu-ray releases came with a DVD:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=254864

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by murphywmm

Seeing people pay $20+ for a new release movie on DVD reminds me of when I worked in a department store circa 2003-2004 and people would still come in to buy new release movies on VHS (while the format was in its death throes).

Here in Texas, it was hard to find VHS by like April/May of 2003. Not that it mattered to me because I had gotten my first DVD player in mid 1999 and had already stopped purchasing VHS, but a lot people hadn't just yet. Hell, even the Wal-Mart's in my area had stopped carrying VHS, they were DVD only. 2003/2004 is when DVD sales exploded. When I bought into blu-ray in 2007, (yes, I bought HD-DVD first) I figured once everybody had gotten a glance at all the HD displays they were doing in stores, people would start buying blu-ray up in record numbers and it never happened. I was certain during 2007 that we would see DVD'S demise by the time blu-ray turned 10 years old. I was wrong! I'm just talking, sharing my experiences and opinions with the formats, nothing more.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

Here in Texas, it was hard to find VHS by like April/May of 2003. Not that it mattered to me because I had gotten my first DVD player in mid 1999 and had already stopped purchasing VHS, but a lot people hadn't just yet. Hell, even the Wal-Mart's in my area had stopped carrying VHS, they were DVD only. 2003/2004 is when DVD sales exploded. When I bought into blu-ray in 2007, (yes, I bought HD-DVD first) I figured once everybody had gotten a glance at all the HD displays they were doing in stores, people would start buying blu-ray up in record numbers and it never happened. I was certain during 2007 that we would see DVD'S demise by the time blu-ray turned 10 years old. I was wrong! I'm just talking, sharing my experiences and opinions with the formats, nothing more.

don't know about where you live in Texas but studios continued releasing on VHS until 2006. Also since BD came out mid 2006 one can't say for certain what will be happening by the time BD turns 10 years old.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

don't know about where you live in Texas but studios continued releasing on VHS until 2006. Also since BD came out mid 2006 one can't say for certain what will be happening by the time BD turns 10 years old.

I know when studios quit releasing VHS. Still, by 2003/2004 they were hard to find. DVD had taken over by then. Blu-ray turns 9 this year and DVD is still going strong unfortunately. I don't see them disappearing in a year.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

I know when studios quit releasing VHS. Still, by 2003/2004 they were hard to find. DVD had taken over by then. Blu-ray turns 9 this year and DVD is still going strong unfortunately. I don't see them disappearing in a year.

soon the title of this thread will have to be edited to read "9 years", not 8, that DVD is still clinging to blu

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

don't know about where you live in Texas but studios continued releasing on VHS until 2006. Also since BD came out mid 2006 one can't say for certain what will be happening by the time BD turns 10 years old.

I find this hard to believe. Any studio that was still releasing VHS tapes by 2005/2006 were idiots, since I'm sure they were losing money:

-I remember going into a Border's Books in Summer 2003 to look for VHS tape for a family member (who hadn't gotten a DVD Player yet), and being told that Border's no longer carried/sold VHS tapes, and wouldn't carry any more.

-In Fall 2005, Episode III of Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith was released to DVD only; I remember reading that this was the first SW film that wasn't going to be released to VHS.

So, it's obvious that by 2005/2006 VHS tapes had pretty much stopped production, at least in the U.S.....

[harpolini]

Here hoping that all 4k releases come with a bluray disc. I like the combo model.

Before I had an HDTV or a bluray player, The Tree of Life DVD was only availaible with the Bluray combo. When I upgraded, it was there, waiting for me.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by harpolini

Here hoping that all 4k releases come with a bluray disc. I like the combo model.

Before I had an HDTV or a bluray player, The Tree of Life DVD was only availaible with the Bluray combo. When I upgraded, it was there, waiting for me.

Didn't they rename that movie, "Twirling while running my fingertips through fabrics and drapes"?

[Number 6]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

I know when studios quit releasing VHS. Still, by 2003/2004 they were hard to find. DVD had taken over by then. Blu-ray turns 9 this year and DVD is still going strong unfortunately. I don't see them disappearing in a year.

I wouldn't call DVDs unfortunate. There are many titles on DVD that are not available on Blu-ray.

[schan1269]

When every movie ever made hits DVD, then we can call it "unfortunate" it isn't on Blu...

Matter of fact, I was going to start a thread here to see if anybody is subscribed to filmmovement.com...but since they(I think) don't have a single BD...