Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by KRW1

A 100" display using current design and tech would look as horrible as a 60" cathode ray tube TV but that hasn't stopped 60" being acceptable to most people now.

Oh, absolutely. Who knows what the future will bring. Foldable panels, rollable panels, translucent panels, short-throw laser projectors...very large displays could be a lot easier to integrate in five or ten or however many years.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

Whether you can come up with creative ways to hide a 9' wide display is irrelevant when you don't have 9' of wall space available in a tiny apartment (for example) where that space is already at a premium.

Obviously, a 9' wide display is not meant for them unless they want to move out of that tiny apartment. Though I'm not sure why anyone wants to live in a tiny apartment to begin with.

[dublinbluray108]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I stopped reading at CNet.

Well in my case if I'm probably in the majority outside of this forum here that I would agree with CNet on this one.

For a person to have a home with a large room to fit a monitior of 100" is truly massive for somebody else's requirements and exceeds their expectations in so many different ways. It may not happen in everybody's living circumstances for probably ever because that same person who doesn't have that opportunity within their lifetime are very much happy and content with they got already.

For someone to having a very basic setup of a HDTV set with the ability to play movies with high definition media through a physical opitical disc is still exceeds their needs and expectations even further already. The ability to stream and download home entertainment online is still a huge techonlogical revolution in the age of the internet that people will need to be cherished and nurtured as an alternative medium. People of a previous generation before ourselves wouldn't have dreamt of such an initiative coming to fruition. Those same people will definitely have the consensus they currently have the best of both worlds to have an opportunity to have these options in front of them.

Not everybody has a big house, not everybody has a small house, some are inbetween. The expectations for 100" screens to be put in every person's home to watch movies or TV is not going to be equally fair nor doable for everybody involved. They would need to be a lot questions asked on how is that process is going to be remotely achieveable for their current living environments. People need to have other things in their home whether essential or not to make themselves feel happy too. You cannot expect everybody to be happy with it while doing this exercise on them. They will probably think that it is petty and unnessecary to make that task achievable.

The demand coming in for Blu-ray will eventually be much healthier in years to come no matter what the critics would say on this otherwise. They just have to wait to let it flourish and be happy with it no matter the other circumstances that come their way.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

But its not only that. Even if you have the space, and decide to get a 100" LED, then guess what? That TV now IS the room. It becomes the boss of the room. Most home owners with a family don't like that.
"Here's the fireplace... here's this new vignette I set up..., oh, check out the new floor, and look at the pretty mantel... take a look at my framed pictures and art... oh, look at our new couch, and check out our OH MY GOD LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THIS TV OVERPOWERING THE ENTIRE ROOM! Its OBNOXIOUS!"

That's what happens

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It overpowers the room only in the sense that you can't have anything blocking it. But future technologies will permit that set to "disappear", whether it's because the panel will blend into the wall or because it will display a virtual "window".

Anyone who can afford these truly giant sets (and while prices will come down, they're always going to be expensive) generally has enough rooms in their house that a very large TV is going to be in a media room, not in the living room.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

The demand coming in for Blu-ray will eventually be much healthier in years to come no matter what the critics would say on this otherwise. They just have to wait to let it flourish and be happy with it no matter the other circumstances that come their way.

That is total gibberish and there is absolutely no evidence to support that. Quite the contrary. Physical media sales are declining. BDs sold less in 2014 than in 2013 and they're already down for the year in 2015. The physical media business as a whole (BD + DVD) is down 38% in dollars (in the U.S.) since 2009. Most young people couldn't care less about physical media of any kind and they're the future market.

It doesn't matter that BD is the far superior format. It doesn't matter that the better CD packages and boxed sets offer a mini-course on the history of a film and its production. It doesn't matter that it frequently comes in beautiful packaging that enhances the experience. It doesn't matter that the fans on sites like this one (and myself) prefer to own physical media. What matters is what consumers choose to buy and they're not buying BDs. In 2014, BD was only 21% of the physical media units and 31.3% of the physical media dollars, and physical media is way down because of the virtual competition.

Consumers are making their choice. It may have been a stupid choice, but consumers choose to eat in McDonald's as well.

[Race Bannon]

DVD sales flourished more than they otherwise would have because they offered choice. Renting them was a pain, they were priced to the point where you could justify it (passing it around, multiple viewings, no late fees).

Now, when people think "choice" they think of other ways to get a movie.

So I don't think blu-rays will ever get to have the explosion that low-priced DVD's did. But I think they'll be a steady option for years to come.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Consumers are making their choice. It may have been a stupid choice, but consumers choose to eat in McDonald's as well.

People are choosing convenience at the expense of quality. Unfortunately for us, they are oblivious to this compromise.

I love DVD's in the package. Gives me something to sell off to soften the blow of the Blu-ray prices.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

That is total gibberish and there is absolutely no evidence to support that. Quite the contrary. Physical media sales are declining. BDs sold less in 2014 than in 2013 and they're already down for the year in 2015. The physical media business as a whole (BD + DVD) is down 38% in dollars (in the U.S.) since 2009. Most young people couldn't care less about physical media of any kind and they're the future market.

It doesn't matter that BD is the far superior format. It doesn't matter that the better CD packages and boxed sets offer a mini-course on the history of a film and its production. It doesn't matter that it frequently comes in beautiful packaging that enhances the experience. It doesn't matter that the fans on sites like this one (and myself) prefer to own physical media. What matters is what consumers choose to buy and they're not buying BDs. In 2014, BD was only 21% of the physical media units and 31.3% of the physical media dollars, and physical media is way down because of the virtual competition.

Consumers are making their choice. It may have been a stupid choice, but consumers choose to eat in McDonald's as well.

So who is buying guardians of the galaxy, Avengers, Frozen, captain America etc..?
I know youngsters who buy bluray, you are simply making a sweeping statement in that regard.

[growler]

As prices come way down more people will buy larger sets. Some will stick with 42" or 50" & others 65-80" & some will opt for huge (by today's standards). Either a large room/mansion or a man cave, media room, dedicated home theater or single guy who likes the TV to dominate his living room. There s/b choice enough to satisfy virtually everyone's taste.

Hopefully, anyone buying such a large TV will be playing HD content & not DVDs.

[Selaboc]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Obviously, a 9' wide display is not meant for them unless they want to move out of that tiny apartment. Though I'm not sure why anyone wants to live in a tiny apartment to begin with.

I've been fortunate, living in a house in the suburbs. Other people I know, live in the city where ownership is out of their price range and rent is not cheap. A tiny apartment is the best they can afford. Everyone's circumstances are different.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Obviously, a 9' wide display is not meant for them unless they want to move out of that tiny apartment. Though I'm not sure why anyone wants to live in a tiny apartment to begin with.

Right.
But, and there's always a but...
...it depends on HOW big.
I've already stated that I technically have the room/wall space/floor space for a 105" display. I'm fortunate enough to have a large size home compared to my other family members and friends. But still, a 105" display would overpower any room in the main quarters of the house (and that's what we're talking about). Its not unless you have living rooms with massively high ceilings ALONG WITH vertical wall space that a 105" display will feel right and balanced.
Of course, if its literally a home theater you're making in your basement - or you have lots if rooms because you're wealthy - and you WANT it to look like an actual in-home theater, then go ahead. That's what and who the 100" displays are for. Just walk into your local movie theater, what's the "hero" or dominant thing in the room? The screen.
Ninety percent of people will not want their main den or living room to have that off balance feel

[Selaboc]

Originally Posted by octagon

Oh, absolutely. Who knows what the future will bring. Foldable panels, rollable panels, translucent panels, short-throw laser projectors...very large displays could be a lot easier to integrate in five or ten or however many years.

While that's true, it will still come down to actually having the physical space for it. For example, in my living room, there is really only one wall that could accommodate a screen of the size we are discussing because the other three walls contain windows, doors, and other types of entry/exit points - that typically you would not want to block on a regular basis - that result in insufficient contiguous wall space. And if the floor plan of my house had been different, it could easily have been no walls with sufficient contiguous wall space despite the dimensions of the room being theoretically big enough. Unless everyone starts moving into larger homes, 105" screen will not be a mainstream purchase due to the fact that a large percentage of households simply do not have the physical wall space to support it.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

The rest of the post (with images should have clearly demonstrated it to you if you were not always just trying to stir up trouble.

I think a new, unprecendented level of irony was achieved with this statement.

[Grayson]

People still watch movies on standard definition television with bad cropping and commercial breaks, it really should come as no surprise that the general public does not care about quality vs. convenience. A lot of people simply don't care about movies enough to actually buy them, they go to the theater, see it once and then move on. This is a niche market, always has been. I think there's room enough for us all here.

[mredman]

This is always nice to see



DVD sales down but Blu Ray sales up and is the reason physical sales went up in the week

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Grayson

People still watch movies on standard definition television with bad cropping and commercial breaks, it really should come as no surprise that the general public does not care about quality vs. convenience. A lot of people simply don't care about movies enough to actually buy them, they go to the theater, see it once and then move on. This is a niche market, always has been. I think there's room enough for us all here.

So DVD was a niche market was it?

[Grayson]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So DVD was a niche market was it?

DVD was adopoted largely because of convenience. Compared to VHS, DVD was more durable, physically smaller, stored more content, cost less to manufacture, didn't require the user to re-wind the film after it had finished playing, and introduced numerous other advantages.

Remember, Laserdisc had been available for years offering superior video and sound quality to VHS, but failed anyway. It wasen't until DVD made it convenient that the public adopted optical media as the successor to VHS.

I think 4K will be a niche format, and that is my prediction. Of course, all we have to do is wait. I'm sure this post will still be here in 5 or 10 years.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

That is total gibberish and there is absolutely no evidence to support that. Quite the contrary. Physical media sales are declining. BDs sold less in 2014 than in 2013 and they're already down for the year in 2015. The physical media business as a whole (BD + DVD) is down 38% in dollars (in the U.S.) since 2009.

True, BD sold less in 2014 than it did in 2013 but the difference is only 5M units ... let's see if last year was an anomaly. If we compare numbers from 2014 to those from 2011, BD is up 11% and 20.73M units where as DVD has declined YOY and is down 29% and 134.85M units.

[mredman]

Zoet doesnt seem to get even most streamers sometimes buy Blu Ray's of their absolute favorite movies like steedeel said big ones like Hunger Games and superhero movies ect.. or a favorite tv show like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead. Its clear People want both physical and digital. My god Reading his posts would seem like he belongs in the only digital group. Never seen a more pessimistic view. Not even homemediamagazine see it like Zoet does. A couple of months ago they wrote and i quote "blu ray and DVD is the industry's cash cow in the sales end"

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mredman

Zoet doesnt seem to get even most streamers sometimes buy Blu Ray's of their absolute favorite movies like steedeel said big ones like Hunger Games and superhero movies ect.. or a favorite tv show like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead. Its clear People want both physical and digital. My god Reading his posts would seem like he belongs in the only digital group. Never seen a more pessimistic view. Not even homemediamagazine see it like Zoet does. A couple of months ago they wrote and i quote "blu ray and DVD is the industry's cash cow in the sales end"

Do you think Home Media Magazine has a pessimistic view of physical media?